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oikosnomos wrote:Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm trying to think of the last time a guy was annointed "star/superstar" status while playing for a crappy team, then proceeded to get completely exposed when the games actually count.
Does this game count or is he still exposing himself?
oikosnomos wrote:DeezRaptors wrote:oikosnomos wrote:
Bosh is a better passer than Love? Based on what? You aren't backing up anything you are saying with anything.
Well their first two seasons playing with Lebron they avg 2.2 and 2.4 respectively. So stat wise they are exactly the same coincidentally. Bosh was better at passing to the open man from the post
Just say "I was wrong". It's cool.
DeezRaptors wrote:oikosnomos wrote:DeezRaptors wrote:Well their first two seasons playing with Lebron they avg 2.2 and 2.4 respectively. So stat wise they are exactly the same coincidentally. Bosh was better at passing to the open man from the post
Just say "I was wrong". It's cool.
Im good thanks
oikosnomos wrote:DeezRaptors wrote:oikosnomos wrote:Just say "I was wrong". It's cool.
Im good thanks
I'm looking at your stats here. You've been exposed.
McKenna wrote:immortalone23 wrote:He was in like the 85th percentile of iso defense this year. I feel if he was in Cleveland that he would be developed as a 3&D wing.
3? lol you must be joking. CLE's window isn't long enough for Wiggins to develop a three point jump shot.
As for star players - Love is responsible for Cleveland blowing out the 1st quarter here in Game 5. He has done it throughout the reg season and has been a stud in the playoffs within his specified role (3rd fiddle).
Threads like this are garbage.
richboy wrote:You mean since Chris Bosh the last big man to play with Lebron. Like I said in another thread at some point people need to call out Lebron. He has the ball but all he can do is create spot up jump shots. I remember years ago when he teamed with Bosh. I thought wow Bosh and Lebron are going to be a scary PNR duo. They would run PNR and Bosh would never get the ball. The only thing they wanted Bosh for was to clear the paint for Lebron. As time went on I started to realize that the only players that play well next to Lebron are spot up shooters. That the biggest lie in professional sports is that Lebron makes players better. Instead he just makes them 1 dimensional because he has no idea how to use them outside of drive and kick basketball.
I have literally watched Cleveland lineups where 4 Cavs are in the 3 point line and Lebron is the only Cavalier inside the arch. That is fine when they are hot making 3s. When they aren't you have the makings of very unproductive players.
So to answer your question not since the last all-star big man that played with Lebron. Which I think included a zero point effort in game 7. Lets keep the narrative that Lebron makes players better. Kanter and Adams are getting layups and dunks playing PNR with Westbrook but Lebron can't keep Kevin Love involved.
immortalone23 wrote:McKenna wrote:immortalone23 wrote:He was in like the 85th percentile of iso defense this year. I feel if he was in Cleveland that he would be developed as a 3&D wing.
3? lol you must be joking. CLE's window isn't long enough for Wiggins to develop a three point jump shot.
As for star players - Love is responsible for Cleveland blowing out the 1st quarter here in Game 5. He has done it throughout the reg season and has been a stud in the playoffs within his specified role (3rd fiddle).
Threads like this are garbage.
I mean we are going off what we've seen right? You don't think they would have forced him to develop his 3 point shot? Similar to Butler. It could have been a possibility.
taikibansei wrote:immortalone23 wrote:McKenna wrote:
3? lol you must be joking. CLE's window isn't long enough for Wiggins to develop a three point jump shot.
As for star players - Love is responsible for Cleveland blowing out the 1st quarter here in Game 5. He has done it throughout the reg season and has been a stud in the playoffs within his specified role (3rd fiddle).
Threads like this are garbage.
I mean we are going off what we've seen right? You don't think they would have forced him to develop his 3 point shot? Similar to Butler. It could have been a possibility.
What makes you think that LeBron would have had the patience to wait 2+ years until Wiggins maybe developed? Also, do you really think Wiggins would have gotten sufficient playing time and shooting opportunities to improve?
Switch Wiggins with Love and the Twolves would have been in the hunt for the playoffs this past year...while we'd be talking here about how Wiggins is a bust--as he'd have been relegated to off the bench spot-up 3-point shooter, rebounder and defensive specialist (none of which are a particular strengths right now). Moreover, his confidence would have been irrevocably shattered, as the areas Wiggins excels in (volume scoring, finishing, athleticism for his size, etc.) are things both LeBron and Irving do even better.
And NO, I'm not saying Wiggins is a bust...just noting the importance of role and fit.
HeartBreakKid wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:It's Kevin Love's fault. He should have remained in a position within an organization where he was the absolute focal point and he would have never been exposed. Love and Dwight Howard exposed themselves.
How was Howard exposed? He was the best player in most of Houston's post season runs.
SelfishPlayer wrote:The Mavs won playoff games without Luka
oceanlife wrote:Kevin Loves problem is simple: He is very bad at hitting open shots. Forget all the advanced stats excuses, when a main player is bad at hitting open shots it breaks down the offense.
But wait people say, he had a nice TS% so he's just getting his points in a different way! Here's the problem with that, Kevin Love can give you nice efficiency numbers IF the refs give him some free trips to the free throw line his coach let's him launch a half dozen threes. If the refs swallow their whistle, he's finished.
In the regular season Kevin Love's field goal percentage was around 40%. Even on open shots he was not efficient. That means when the Cavs offense breaks down and someone has to fire up a mid range shot with 2 seconds on the clock, Kevin Love is maybe the WORST player to take that shot. And those are the shots that make or break tough series. That's why Love sits in the 4th.
I love statistics as much as anyone, but at a certain point you have to remember that the goal of advanced stats is to predict who is going to help a team win championships. Kevin Love has shown he is the type of player who can make a 20 win team a 40 win team and in all fairness he's quite talented, but at the championship level Kevin Love at this point is dead weight regardless of his regular season efficiency numbers.
The "problem" with Kevin Love is simple: He is completely wasted in the role of spot-up shooter.
