Clippers sign Brandon Bass

[OkcSinceSGA]

And Mark West was an elite inside scorer, though you can make a case West would drop to Kareem's level on similar volume.

Wonderful use of hyperbole. Brandon Bass uses enough possessions to where the gap isn't too huge. As I posted per Synergy he's one of 200 players who use more than 400 possessions and that's coming off the bench, while being top 5 efficiency. No need to seek attention here friend.

I was using your logic. High shooting percentage = elite shooting. As for being top 200, that's not saying much in a 30 team league.

Why would a top 3 mid-range shooting big who is willing to play defense and rebound sign for the minimum? I mean, I like the signing - but seeing him referred to that way raises eyebrows.

The problem with your flawed argument is I was the one who acknowledged his efficiency would drop on superstar volume, yet you still tried to call me out in regards to volume. All that does is make you look bad TBH. If he drops from a near 50 percent from mid on already high volume relatively, he would still fall in the low-mid 40s most likely if we extrapolate data.

Therefore your use of hyperbole when I already gave that qualifying statement was unnecessary at best and kinda rude at worst. Brandon Bass is an elite mid range shooter and we have 11 years of data to back that statement up. Would he be worse on Dirk volume? Yes. But nothing to suggest he wouldn't still be outstanding and elite.

Also the logic of "if so and so is this good, why would they sign for minimum" isn't sound. Bass had a bad year and is trying to prove he's worth a bigger payday in a much bigger role. Also Bass isn't a great rebounder or defender. He's probably below average at both of those, or average at best. So he's pretty much a pick and pop specialist.

[OkcSinceSGA]

As someone said already. Any time you get even an average role player at minimum that's outstanding.

[SashaTheMachine]

Which current lal player will be next?

Only Lakers fans talk about this. Out of the 10 or so players that Lakers fans like to say the Clippers went for 2 started their career with the Clippers and 5 or 6 were drafted elsewhere. Bass was a long term Celtics who played under Doc. So this topic is so nonsensical it makes my brain hurt.

If it is making your brain hurt then you need to let it stop bothering you. All I said was which current lakers player will be next. we've seen that trend happen enough where people actually notice it. I'm not saying anything else. Stop acting like its you against the world.

[og15]

And Mark West was an elite inside scorer, though you can make a case West would drop to Kareem's level on similar volume.

Wonderful use of hyperbole. Brandon Bass uses enough possessions to where the gap isn't too huge. As I posted per Synergy he's one of 200 players who use more than 400 possessions and that's coming off the bench, while being top 5 efficiency. No need to seek attention here friend.

I was using your logic. High shooting percentage = elite shooting. As for being top 200, that's not saying much in a 30 team league.

Why would a top 3 mid-range shooting big who is willing to play defense and rebound sign for the minimum? I mean, I like the signing - but seeing him referred to that way raises eyebrows.

Certainly shooting a high percentage from certain spots is how we determine if a player is an elite shooter. He wasn't using FG%, he was using his percentages from the specific spots being mentioned, so there's nothing wrong with that.

When we look at 3PT shooters for example, we use their 3PT% as a means of determining their "level" of shooting ability. Of course we look at volume and things like that, but if a player shoots elite percentage from mid-range for 8, 9, 10+ seasons combined, then it certainly suggests they are pretty good at that thing. For his career, 51.1% of Brandon Bass' FGA have come from 10 feet to <3PT, an area he's shot about 46% FG from over his career.

His highest scoring season was 11-12 with 12.5 ppg, and 10.7 FGA/G. That season, 66.4% of his FGA were from 10 feet - <3PT and he shot 50% FG from 10-16 and 47.1% FG from 16-<3PT. So that means on 7.1 FGA/G from 10 feet - <3PT, he shot about 48% FG. That's definitely up there and lines up with what we would consider "elite" mid-range shooting for a big. Now of course that wasn't the most efficient season from him because no matter what, if almost 70% of your FGA are from mid-range it will be hard to maintain super high efficiency, but his mid-range shooting was very efficient.

So now your question is why would a player like him sign for the minimum, and that's a different question. One reason is that he is now 31 years old. Another reason is that he is still a 6'8 PF, though that hasn't been an issue in his career as he does have a 7'2.5" wingspan and an 8'10.5" standing reach, so on reach alone he's already 1.5 inches higher than Blake Griffin for example who is listed at 6'10. The next reason is that many teams are looking for big men who stretch out to the 3PT line, not just mid-range, maybe to a fault. One more reason that it might be player preference. Maybe they find a situation that they feel will give them a chance to get a raise, so they go there. The last reason is that it actually just happens. Every year there are a couple of players that we ask "how did they get so little".

Let's look at last season:
Bismack Biyombo signs for $3 million. Let's be clear here, Biyombo did not get any better as a player from 14-15 to 15-16, he's the same guy that hit the market in the off-season of 2015. In 2015 he gets $3 million, then in 2016 he gets $17.5 million/year. How did a guy who can rebound and defend at an elite or close to elite level, brings great energy, and even though he doesn't have great hands had shot 57.3% FG his previous two seasons, averaged 8 pts / 12 rebs / 3 blks per 36 and even shooting a not too terrible 56.1% FT for a player like him; how did he get just $3 million? Just the rebounding, defense, shot blocking alone generally got guys at least $10 million. The answer is that it happens, some guy just fall under the radar, everyone is spent all their money elsewhere, and they are the bargain contracts. It's even a greater surprise for Biyombo who was 22 year old than for a guy in his 30's like Bass.

[og15]

Which current lal player will be next?

Only Lakers fans talk about this. Out of the 10 or so players that Lakers fans like to say the Clippers went for 2 started their career with the Clippers and 5 or 6 were drafted elsewhere. Bass was a long term Celtics who played under Doc. So this topic is so nonsensical it makes my brain hurt.

If it is making your brain hurt then you need to let it stop bothering you. All I said was which current lakers player will be next. we've seen that trend happen enough where people actually notice it. I'm not saying anything else. Stop acting like its you against the world.

Lol, just don't claim Clippers players as Lakers players. Lamar Odom and Matt Barnes both started their careers with the Clippers, the Clippers were just getting them back after the Lakers took them .

It's actually interesting, but it's a good way to get cheap minimum players. The player is already in LA, if the FA market is drying up, it's is a convenient way to get on a team without having to move, and it seems to give the Clippers some solid deals.

So the Lakers should keep picking up solid guys who linger late into free agency the next season. It's helped the Clippers get some solid minimum contributors, they are sort of acting as the Clippers feeder team for their role players.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Crawford is capable of playing unselfishly and can pass decently when he wants. Hopefully we will see more of that side of him next season

But he never wants to play this way. There was no need to resign this guy

I know, but hopefully he will see that with all that talent off the bench he will help the team more by playing unselfishly. If not, hopefully doc will limit his minutes

[SashaTheMachine]

Lol, just don't claim Clippers players as Lakers players. Lamar Odom and Matt Barnes both started their careers with the Clippers, the Clippers were just getting them back after the Lakers took them .

It's actually interesting, but it's a good way to get cheap minimum players. The player is already in LA, if the FA market is drying up, it's is a convenient way to get on a team without having to move, and it seems to give the Clippers some solid deals.

So the Lakers should keep picking up solid guys who linger late into free agency the next season. It's helped the Clippers get some solid minimum contributors, they are sort of acting as the Clippers feeder team for their role players.

I'm sure Lakers fans can claim Lamar odom as opposed to truly remembering him as a member of the Clippers. Matt Barnes? Sure, you guys can go ahead and have him if he means that much to you?

My post wasn't about "claiming" players. It was satirically asking which current Lakers player will make the trip cross the hall next season.

In actuality, I think this was a really good move for the Clippers, as I wanted Bass to return. Doc has done a really good job shoring up the bench and are my dark horse Finals team this year. 2011 Mavs-esque run with Cp3 going nuts.

[brutalitops]

Lakers free agent Brandon Bass has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell The Vertical.

-Shams

Wow. Crazy good bargain at minimum. Top 3 midrange shooting big probably. Clippers bench now..

Felton/Rivers/Crawford/Bass/Speights.

In the world we live in today this is an important message that we should all take time to make eachother laugh

Another poster who's too lazy to look up the data for himself, so he makes a faulty assumption to try to be a RealGM comedian, while failing miserably one two fronts. Not only are you wrong according to the data, but you also failed at trying to make a sarcastic joke to get the reaction you wanted. Well played! Now since you're too lazy to look it up for yourself, I'll help you.

11 seasons, career 45 percent from 16-23 ft. 9 year average (not including last year under Byron and rookie year) he's at 47.5 percent from mid. That's ELITE. His best year he was actually at 54.5 percent, which is prime CP3 mid range level. CAREER 46.2 percent from 10-16 feet. Take away his 1st two seasons where he didn't have much of a shot and his last 9 years from 10-16 ft range are an absurd 49 percent.

So 49 percent average from 10-15, 47 percent from 16-23. That is a top 3 midrange shooting big. To give you some contemporaries for comparison.

Chris Bosh- 42 percent from 10-16, 45.5 percent from 16-23.
Dirk Nowitzki- 47 percent from 10-16, 47.5 percent from 16-23.
LaMarcus Aldridge- 41 percent from 10-16, 42 percent from 16-23.

You can make a case that on that volume Bass would drop to Bosh/Aldridge levels, but that would still make him elite and likely right behind behind Dirk for elite big man midrange game.

Thank you, come again!

Amazing get. Ranks second behind Memphis Grabbing the best 3 point specialst in the game in Troy Daniels.