Why hasn't the international talent grown?

Genjuro · Post #321 » by **Genjuro** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:04 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:He is a troll that has been banned on countless boards... has a circle jerk obsession with Vassilis Spanoulis and can't go a day without editing his wiki page.

That's what I thought. I've met him many times in the past under different nicknames. I really don't mind him, he's good for a few laughs. Still, he's puzzling: many years ago I thought he was a kid, but now he shouldn't be anymore, and yet he behaves exactly the same. Go figure.

Mirotic12 · Post #322 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:19 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:The two players that I mentioned were better players than the guys that you mentioned. Josh Childress was a highly sought after young starter. These days china gets better players than Europe. Remember when Brandon Jennings went to Italy? Remember when Jeremy Tyler went to Israel? Now you have a guy like Emmanuel Mudiay going to China straight out of high school. I think that the interest today in European leagues is lower for NBA players and US talent than it was 5+ years ago.

Next time, please don't forget to use the green font.

SelfishPlayer · Post #323 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:36 am

UcanUwill wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:I could list several more guys that played in the D League and lead European leagues in scoring and I can even go back before the D League existed with a guy like Lynn Greer from Temple University that lead European leagues in scoring.

Americans in Europe often are among scoring leaders. No Euro team buys American to be a bench warmer, you know.

European leagues haven't progressed far enough yet to put the best players in the world outside of the NBA on its benches. It's still a "welfare system" they are running.

Mirotic12 · Post #324 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:40 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:D League players routinely lead European leagues in scoring...

No they don't. At least definitely not any decent European league. If you are talking about the EuroLeague, which is what we are talking about here, so it is implied, then as far as I know, only two players in history that led EuroLeague were ever actual "D-League players". Two in all of history. One of those players also played in the NBA as a rotation player. So using your same argument, I can say, "well, the NBA regularly has rotation players in it that are D-League level players".

Never mind the obvious, that twice in history, anyone that was once a D-League player led EuroLeague in scoring. My God.....in like 60 years of EuroLeague existence and like 15 years of D-League existence, two guys that at some point in their careers were D-League players, led the Euroleague in scoring. Very "routine" alright.

"D-League payers routinely lead European leagues in scoring".....give us a list please, and not just names, but the names and what league they played in that they lead in scoring, and in which years.

Blame Rasho · Post #325 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:14 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:D League players routinely lead European leagues in scoring...

No they don't. At least definitely not any decent European league. If you are talking about the EuroLeague, which is what we are talking about here, so it is implied, then as far as I know, only two players in history that led EuroLeague were ever actual "D-League players". Two in all of history. One of those players also played in the NBA as a rotation player. So using your same argument, I can say, "well, the NBA regularly has rotation players in it that are D-League level players".

Never mind the obvious, that twice in history, anyone that was once a D-League player led EuroLeague in scoring. My God.....in like 60 years of EuroLeague existence and like 15 years of D-League existence, two guys that at some point in their careers were D-League players, led the Euroleague in scoring. Very "routine" alright.

"D-League payers routinely lead European leagues in scoring".....give us a list please, and not just names, but the names and what league they played in that they lead in scoring, and in which years.

I guess your 197 IQ can't even bother to look up stats...

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2014&cat=Score&agg=Accumulated

2016-

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 DE COLO, NANDO CSKA Moscow 27 525 19.44 28.09
2 DELANEY, MALCOLM Lokomotiv Kuban Krasnodar 31 504 16.26 19.55
3 TEODOSIC, MILOS CSKA Moscow 29 467 16.10 24.05
4 SHVED, ALEXEY Khimki Moscow Region 24 382 15.92 23.91
5 BOUROUSIS, IOANNIS Laboral Kutxa Vitoria Gasteiz 29 421 14.52 23.16

2015

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 ROCHESTIE, TAYLOR Nizhny Novgorod 21 397 18.90 25.17
2 GOUDELOCK, ANDREW Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 29 493 17.00 22.80
3 MARJANOVIC, BOBAN Crvena Zvezda Telekom Belgrade 24 398 16.58 24.31
4 SMITH, DEVIN Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv 25 376 15.04 18.89
5 ERCEG, ZORAN Galatasaray Liv Hospital Istanbul 22 330 15.00 19.56

2014

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 LANGFORD, KEITH EA7 Emporio Armani Milan 25 439 17.56 23.48
2 DENTMON, JUSTIN Zalgiris Kaunas 24 403 16.79 22.67
3 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 26 392 15.08 21.47
4 BOGDANOVIC, BOJAN Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 24 355 14.79 19.31
5 BOGDANOVIC, BOGDAN Partizan NIS Belgrade 23 340 14.78 18.81

2013

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 BROWN, BOBBY Montepaschi Siena 24 452 18.83 23.09
2 NACHBAR, BOSTJAN Brose Baskets Bamberg 23 370 16.09 24.06
3 BOGDANOVIC, BOJAN Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 21 334 15.90 22.52
4 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 31 457 14.74 19.64
5 JERRELLS, CURTIS Besiktas JK Istanbul 17 241 14.18 18.34

2012

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 McCALEBB, BO Montepaschi Siena 17 287 16.88 24.35
2 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 21 350 16.67 22.37
3 WEEMS, SONNY Zalgiris Kaunas 15 233 15.53 20.78
4 DOMERCANT, HENRY Unics Kazan 19 294 15.47 19.38
5 CARROLL, JAYCEE Real Madrid 16 227 14.19 25.38

Alot of Dleague level players, players who couldn't hack it in the NBA or even get a call up to the NBA...

Mirotic12 · Post #326 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:26 am

Blame Rasho wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:D League players routinely lead European leagues in scoring...

No they don't. At least definitely not any decent European league. If you are talking about the EuroLeague, which is what we are talking about here, so it is implied, then as far as I know, only two players in history that led EuroLeague were ever actual "D-League players". Two in all of history. One of those players also played in the NBA as a rotation player. So using your same argument, I can say, "well, the NBA regularly has rotation players in it that are D-League level players".

Never mind the obvious, that twice in history, anyone that was once a D-League player led EuroLeague in scoring. My God.....in like 60 years of EuroLeague existence and like 15 years of D-League existence, two guys that at some point in their careers were D-League players, led the Euroleague in scoring. Very "routine" alright.

"D-League payers routinely lead European leagues in scoring".....give us a list please, and not just names, but the names and what league they played in that they lead in scoring, and in which years.

I guess your 197 IQ can't even bother to look up stats...

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2014&cat=Score&agg=Accumulated

2016-

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 DE COLO, NANDO CSKA Moscow 27 525 19.44 28.09
2 DELANEY, MALCOLM Lokomotiv Kuban Krasnodar 31 504 16.26 19.55
3 TEODOSIC, MILOS CSKA Moscow 29 467 16.10 24.05
4 SHVED, ALEXEY Khimki Moscow Region 24 382 15.92 23.91
5 BOUROUSIS, IOANNIS Laboral Kutxa Vitoria Gasteiz 29 421 14.52 23.16

2015

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 ROCHESTIE, TAYLOR Nizhny Novgorod 21 397 18.90 25.17
2 GOUDELOCK, ANDREW Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 29 493 17.00 22.80
3 MARJANOVIC, BOBAN Crvena Zvezda Telekom Belgrade 24 398 16.58 24.31
4 SMITH, DEVIN Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv 25 376 15.04 18.89
5 ERCEG, ZORAN Galatasaray Liv Hospital Istanbul 22 330 15.00 19.56

2014

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 LANGFORD, KEITH EA7 Emporio Armani Milan 25 439 17.56 23.48
2 DENTMON, JUSTIN Zalgiris Kaunas 24 403 16.79 22.67
3 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 26 392 15.08 21.47
4 BOGDANOVIC, BOJAN Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 24 355 14.79 19.31
5 BOGDANOVIC, BOGDAN Partizan NIS Belgrade 23 340 14.78 18.81

2013

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 BROWN, BOBBY Montepaschi Siena 24 452 18.83 23.09
2 NACHBAR, BOSTJAN Brose Baskets Bamberg 23 370 16.09 24.06
3 BOGDANOVIC, BOJAN Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 21 334 15.90 22.52
4 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 31 457 14.74 19.64
5 JERRELLS, CURTIS Besiktas JK Istanbul 17 241 14.18 18.34

2012

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 McCALEBB, BO Montepaschi Siena 17 287 16.88 24.35
2 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 21 350 16.67 22.37
3 WEEMS, SONNY Zalgiris Kaunas 15 233 15.53 20.78
4 DOMERCANT, HENRY Unics Kazan 19 294 15.47 19.38
5 CARROLL, JAYCEE Real Madrid 16 227 14.19 25.38

Alot of Dleague level players, players who couldn't hack it in the NBA or even get a call up to the NBA...

Not a single D-League player there lead the EuroLeague in scoring, except for Langford. And if you are claiming De Colo, he never was a "D-League player". He was an NBA player that from time time to played a game or two in D-League. He was with the Spurs under contract the whole time.

And leading the league in scoring, does not mean being 2nd through 5th in scoring. That's pretty obvious.

Still waiting on someone to post an actual list.

One more thing, using your same argument, any NBA player that ever played a single D-League game is now designated officially as a "D-League player". I mean, unless we want to apply double standards just to EuroLeague, and not the same standards to NBA.

Nope, once a D-League player, always a D-League player rule would mean EVERY NBA player that ever stepped on a D-League court, is officially not an NBA player, but just a D-League player. You can't only apply that standard to EuroLeague players that played also in D-League. The same is true also then for any NBA player that also played in D-League.

Lots...lots of D-League players in the NBA using your own standards.

Merc_Porto · Post #327 » by **Merc_Porto** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:26 am

In Portugal is the same thing, "we breathe football" and only football, the results of our olympic team are a disaster for a reason unfortunately.

But hey, nobody cares because we are european Champions in (guess what) football.

Blame Rasho · Post #328 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:35 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
Blame Rasho wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
No they don't. At least definitely not any decent European league. If you are talking about the EuroLeague, which is what we are talking about here, so it is implied, then as far as I know, only two players in history that led EuroLeague were ever actual "D-League players". Two in all of history. One of those players also played in the NBA as a rotation player. So using your same argument, I can say, "well, the NBA regularly has rotation players in it that are D-League level players".

Never mind the obvious, that twice in history, anyone that was once a D-League player led EuroLeague in scoring. My God.....in like 60 years of EuroLeague existence and like 15 years of D-League existence, two guys that at some point in their careers were D-League players, led the Euroleague in scoring. Very "routine" alright.

"D-League payers routinely lead European leagues in scoring".....give us a list please, and not just names, but the names and what league they played in that they lead in scoring, and in which years.

I guess your 197 IQ can't even bother to look up stats...

http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2014&cat=Score&agg=Accumulated

2016-

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 DE COLO, NANDO CSKA Moscow 27 525 19.44 28.09
2 DELANEY, MALCOLM Lokomotiv Kuban Krasnodar 31 504 16.26 19.55
3 TEODOSIC, MILOS CSKA Moscow 29 467 16.10 24.05
4 SHVED, ALEXEY Khimki Moscow Region 24 382 15.92 23.91
5 BOUROUSIS, IOANNIS Laboral Kutxa Vitoria Gasteiz 29 421 14.52 23.16

2015

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 ROCHESTIE, TAYLOR Nizhny Novgorod 21 397 18.90 25.17
2 GOUDELOCK, ANDREW Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 29 493 17.00 22.80
3 MARJANOVIC, BOBAN Crvena Zvezda Telekom Belgrade 24 398 16.58 24.31
4 SMITH, DEVIN Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv 25 376 15.04 18.89
5 ERCEG, ZORAN Galatasaray Liv Hospital Istanbul 22 330 15.00 19.56

2014

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 LANGFORD, KEITH EA7 Emporio Armani Milan 25 439 17.56 23.48
2 DENTMON, JUSTIN Zalgiris Kaunas 24 403 16.79 22.67
3 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 26 392 15.08 21.47
4 BOGDANOVIC, BOJAN Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 24 355 14.79 19.31
5 BOGDANOVIC, BOGDAN Partizan NIS Belgrade 23 340 14.78 18.81

2013

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 BROWN, BOBBY Montepaschi Siena 24 452 18.83 23.09
2 NACHBAR, BOSTJAN Brose Baskets Bamberg 23 370 16.09 24.06
3 BOGDANOVIC, BOJAN Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul 21 334 15.90 22.52
4 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 31 457 14.74 19.64
5 JERRELLS, CURTIS Besiktas JK Istanbul 17 241 14.18 18.34

2012

RANK PLAYER TEAM GAMES POINTS AVE. PER 40 MIN.
1 McCALEBB, BO Montepaschi Siena 17 287 16.88 24.35
2 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS Olympiacos Piraeus 21 350 16.67 22.37
3 WEEMS, SONNY Zalgiris Kaunas 15 233 15.53 20.78
4 DOMERCANT, HENRY Unics Kazan 19 294 15.47 19.38
5 CARROLL, JAYCEE Real Madrid 16 227 14.19 25.38

Alot of Dleague level players, players who couldn't hack it in the NBA or even get a call up to the NBA...

Not a single D-League player there lead the EuroLeague in scoring, except for Langford. And if you are claiming De Colo, he never was a "D-League player". He was an NBA player that from time time to played a game or two in D-League. He was with the Spurs under contract the whole time.

And leading the league in scoring, does not mean being 2nd through 5th in scoring. That's pretty obvious.

Still waiting on someone to post an actual list.

I guess you are too thickheaded to acknowledge the premise of them what was said... you don't need to be a special player to be a great player in the Euroleague. You can be a burn out and a dleague level talent in the NBA and find a niche there and excel.

Fact is that DeColo was a Dleague level player in the NBA...

I mean you could look at this...

December 2, 2012: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 3, 2012: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

January 4, 2013: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

January 5, 2013: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

March 15, 2013: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

March 17, 2013: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 1, 2013: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 2, 2013: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 8, 2013: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 9, 2013: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 21, 2013: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 23, 2013: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 29, 2013: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

December 31, 2013: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

January 3, 2014: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

January 4, 2014: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

January 6, 2014: Assigned to the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

January 12, 2014: Recalled from the Austin Spurs of the D-League.

and say he was a dleague player... but yes...He was the 11th and 12th man on the rotation on the Spurs. Most players don't have that happen to them if they aren't dleague level...

I guess your 197 IQ can't figure that out...

bb22 · Post #329 » by **bb22** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:01 am

The development process is so painfully slow in Europe. And with no emphasis on adapting to the faster and more athletically oriented game the NBA is producing (most guys don't see the weight room until their mid 20s), the euro players are stuck at perfecting their team game rather than individual talent. Canada an Australia (and even some African countries China) are using the NBA/American model, and producing good/great talent.

UcanUwill · Post #330 » by **UcanUwill** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:35 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:European leagues haven't progressed far enough yet to put the best players in the world outside of the NBA on its benches. It's still a "welfare system" they are running.

Oh really? So tell me, if not in Europe, where do best non NBA players play?

Euro teams builds as powerful roster as their budget allows it. Most teams have domestic players on their benches simply because they can't afford better players. But top European teams like Fenerbache, CSKA, Real Madrid and others Euroleague teams of note have top international players top to bottom. They ahve very little domestic players. Thats where top non NBA players congregate. Most players start their careers in lesser leagues on lesser teams (like Keith Langford for example, good example you gave there), and they play their way to the top (top Euro teams).
As of today, China is the only league in the world excluding the NBA, that steals decent talent from Euroleague/European teams.

SelfishPlayer · Post #331 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:12 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:European leagues haven't progressed far enough yet to put the best players in the world outside of the NBA on its benches. It's still a "welfare system" they are running.

Oh really? So tell me, if not in Europe, where do best non NBA players play?

Euro teams builds as powerful roster as their budget allows it. Most teams have domestic players on their benches simply because they can't afford better players. But top European teams like Fenerbache, CSKA, Real Madrid and others Euroleague teams of note have top international players top to bottom. They ahve very little domestic players. Thats where top non NBA players congregate. Most players start their careers in lesser leagues on lesser teams (like Keith Langford for example, good example you gave there), and they play their way to the top (top Euro teams).
As of today, China is the only league in the world excluding the NBA, that steals decent talent from Euroleague/European teams.

i''ve already proven that European leagues have welfare like set asides on their rosters for players that have the correct passports/citizenships. US players need time, often years, to acquire the correct paperwork to be eligible for the roster spots outside of usually 2 spots reserved for people without the correct paperwork. It's usually 10 roster spots that will go to players that have the correct paperwork. :noway:

It should be about the best players and not about "eligibility." There are players right now in the DLeague that could dominate Europe. Jimmer Fredette would dominate Europe with that short 3 point line over there. :lol:

UcanUwill · Post #332 » by **UcanUwill** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:31 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:i''ve already proven that European leagues have welfare like set asides on their rosters for players that have the correct passports/citizenships. US players need time, often years, to acquire the correct paperwork to be eligible for the roster spots outside of usually 2 spots reserved for people without the correct paperwork. It's usually 10 roster spots that will go to players that have the correct paperwork. It should be about the best players and not about "eligibility." There are players right now in the DLeague that could dominate Europe. Jimmer Fredette would dominate Europe with that short 3 point line over there.

It's not if they could, its if they are! If you knew anything about international player market, you would know that International teams buys out top D league players every single year! Its a perfect pool for obscure Euro teams with lesser budgets who want player with potential for cheap. And most of these players fade into absolute obscurity or come back to D league after they International stint.

8 out of top 10 highest scoring players of D league this past season (!), are already signed with international teams. Only Vander Blue who averaged a ridiculous 26.3 points per game is still without contract (is with D league), and the only remaining player out of that mentioned top 10 is Xavier Munford why is currently with the Memphis Grizzlies.
The most noteworthy signing is Erick Green, who averaged 25.7 points in D league, just signed with Olympiakos. We will see how he dominates...

Also, we already debunked your welfare delusions, it doesn't have an impact you claim it is. If you watched a D league and/or Euroleague game in your life, you would understand how stupid your love for semi pro D leaguers is. It's absolutely absurd we are even having this conversation.

SelfishPlayer · Post #333 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:56 pm

UcanUwill wrote: Also, we already debunked your welfare delusions, it doesn't have an impact you claim it is.

Sorry, never happened... :crazy:

Here's someone in an article that is actually supportive of the limitation on American players on Foreign rosters.

There are two good reasons for the limits:
1.The worldwide leagues want to develop their young national players, hopefully to showcase them at Euroleague, FIBA and the Olympics. Without a limit, they’d be overrun by American players, who generally are more developed at a younger age.
2.The rule prevents rich teams, such as Olympiakos, Panthinaikos, Barcelona, Real, etc. from stockpiling American players, who demand significantly higher salaries.
http://www.neontommy.com/news/2010/10/artest-is-wrong-again-euro-league-two-american-rule-is-good-one

Post #334 » by **King of Canada** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:01 pm

How much would we see growth over a generation if the NBA had a team in Mexico or although highly unlikely, a European city? I wouldn't discount how much of an impact having an NBA club in Canada has impacted the development of young Canadian kids.

SelfishPlayer · Post #335 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:06 pm

King of Canada wrote:I wouldn't discount how much of an impact having an NBA club in Canada has impacted the development of young Canadian kids.

They have proven to be overrated. Canada was going to take over the world a couple of years ago. :lol:

C Tristan Thompson
PF Anthony Bennet
SF Andrew Wiggins
SG Nik Stauskas
PG Corey Joseph

slothrop8 · Post #336 » by **slothrop8** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:09 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:i''ve already proven that European leagues have welfare like set asides on their rosters for players that have the correct passports/citizenships. US players need time, often years, to acquire the correct paperwork to be eligible for the roster spots outside of usually 2 spots reserved for people without the correct paperwork. It's usually 10 roster spots that will go to players that have the correct paperwork. It should be about the best players and not about "eligibility." There are players right now in the DLeague that could dominate Europe. Jimmer Fredette would dominate Europe with that short 3 point line over there.

It's not if they could, its if they are! If you knew anything about international player market, you would know that International teams buys out top D league players every single year! Its a perfect pool for obscure Euro teams with lesser budgets who want player with potential for cheap. And most of these players fade into absolute obscurity or come back to D league after they International stint.

8 out of top 10 highest scoring players of D league this past season (!), are already signed with international teams. Only Vander Blue who averaged a ridiculous 26.3 points per game is still without contract (is with D league), and the only remaining player out of that mentioned top 10 is Xavier Munford why is currently with the Memphis Grizzlies.
The most noteworthy signing is Erick Green, who averaged 25.7 points in D league, just signed with Olympiakos. We will see how he dominates...

Also, we already debunked your welfare delusions, it doesn't have an impact you claim it is. If you watched a D league and/or Euroleague game in your life, you would understand how stupid your love for semi pro D leaguers is. It's absolutely absurd we are even having this conversation.

I agree with most of your posts - but I think you are actually undervaluing the quality of player in the current DLeague. DLeague teams aren't deep - because they don't pay enough to attract enough quality players to stay - but the top 5 or 6 guys in DLeague rotations can play. Add in the fact that there's enough Euroleague players who have played extensively in North America and it's easy to see that talent gap is not as wide as you are letting on. The quality of play/intensity in the DLeague is lower because the games don't really mean anything and everyone is to some extent trying to get theirs - but the quality of player at the top end is pretty high. If I look at CSKA Moscow as the current Euroleague champs -- De Colo has elevated himself above DLeage status - and Teodosic as well - but you've got guys like Victor Khyrapa, Aaron Jackson, Demetris Nichols, and Cory Higgins playing significant rotation minutes for that team. Those are DLeague calibre players my friends - there's really no two ways about it. They've had past NBA experience - but they aren't particularly likely to make current NBA rosters. If they come back Stateside - they are likely playing for the Fort Wayne Mad Ants. Those guys aren't better than - and are in fact likely worse than guys like Tourre Murray, Rodney Magruder, Jarnel Stokes, Ryan Gomes, and various other players that played in the DLeague finals. I'll grant that DLeague roster depth tapers off as you get down the roster - but I'd also posit that a team of the top 12 players from the two DLeague finalists would give CSKA Moscow all they'd want in a 7 game series.

TheTrooper · Post #337 » by **TheTrooper** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:09 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
UcanUwill wrote: Also, we already debunked your welfare delusions, it doesn't have an impact you claim it is.

Sorry, never happened... Here's someone in an article that is actually supportive of the limitation on American players on Foreign rosters.

There are two good reasons for the limits:
1.The worldwide leagues want to develop their young national players, hopefully to showcase them at Euroleague, FIBA and the Olympics. Without a limit, they’d be overrun by American players, who generally are more developed at a younger age.
2.The rule prevents rich teams, such as Olympiakos, Panthinaikos, Barcelona, Real, etc. from stockpiling American players, who demand significantly higher salaries.
http://www.neontommy.com/news/2010/10/artest-is-wrong-again-euro-league-two-american-rule-is-good-one

The vast majority of American players that have tried themselves in Europe don't do well even in smaller clubs/leagues let alone the Euroleague. Some teams are changing american players as often as their owners change socks. American players have been given plenty of opportunities in Europe and only the proven ones play at top level.
Limit or no limit the fact is that most US players can't even play well on some smaller teams. Taking the limit off would only see a small rise in the number of Americans in the top clubs.

Post #338 » by **King of Canada** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:10 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
King of Canada wrote:I wouldn't discount how much of an impact having an NBA club in Canada has impacted the development of young Canadian kids.

They have proven to be overrated. Canada was going to take over the world a couple of years ago.
C Tristan Thompson
PF Anthony Bennet
SF Andrew Wiggins
SG Nik Stauskas
PG Corey Joseph

I don't think Canada is overrated at all (is that even possible?). If all of the NBA players had played more of the qualifying games with the team I think we would have made the Olympics. Add Jamal Murray to the list above, and there are a bunch of other good players in the NCAA. Canada should qualify for the next Olympics.

SelfishPlayer · Post #339 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:23 pm

King of Canada wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
King of Canada wrote:I wouldn't discount how much of an impact having an NBA club in Canada has impacted the development of young Canadian kids.

They have proven to be overrated. Canada was going to take over the world a couple of years ago.
C Tristan Thompson
PF Anthony Bennet
SF Andrew Wiggins
SG Nik Stauskas
PG Corey Joseph

I don't think Canada is overrated at all (is that even possible?). If all of the NBA players had played more of the qualifying games with the team I think we would have made the Olympics. Add Jamal Murray to the list above, and there are a bunch of other good players in the NCAA. Canada should qualify for the next Olympics.

I think that Canada suffers from all of the negatives of the Team USA system, but with even more negatives and less talent. Where do they ever establish a better sort of chemistry than Team USA? Is that even a goal?

chuckdevlin · Post #340 » by **chuckdevlin** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:34 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
King of Canada wrote:I wouldn't discount how much of an impact having an NBA club in Canada has impacted the development of young Canadian kids.

They have proven to be overrated. Canada was going to take over the world a couple of years ago.
C Tristan Thompson
PF Anthony Bennet
SF Andrew Wiggins
SG Nik Stauskas
PG Corey Joseph

??/TT/Wiggins/Murray/Joseph
Bennett(who does well in international competition)/Stauskas