SGA will be TOP 10 Player in 3 years. (Before 2024/25 Season)

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Will SGA be top 10 player in the league by the start of 2024/25 season

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Yes, one of most underrated players in league. Data and film shows his upward trajectory towards SUPERSTARDOM
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No, OKC is going to be terrible for next few years. SGA is #2 star, not #1
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Post#1 » by EliteSmarts » Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:43 pm

I saw this in the other thread. I was already big fan of SGA so this information I saw from another thread confirmed my beliefs about his talent.

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AdamTH21 wrote:I like SGA, but I wouldn't feel comfortable at all describing him as being proven as a #1 option until he's on a team that isn't actively trying to lose games. Look at some of the guys OKC had on the floor around him last year. I'm not a fan of the analogy in general, but someone needs the ball in their hands.

Poku needs a LOT more time to refine himself before it's even a discussion whether he's going to be a contributor. I haven't seen enough from Giddey. I like Dort but until he gets some scoring help, again, it's difficult to project how well he's going to fit amongst a team with aspirations higher than the #1 pick.


When I look at who can be a #1 or not the “bad team” argument is often the worst one, or lowest effort one at least. I don’t mean that to insult, just saying it’s the go to for when people aren’t 100% sure.

Thing is... when you’re the only 20 ppg scorer on a bad team with no shooters or real offensive threats to take some of the defensive attention off you, that’s much more difficult. Do you think teams have a harder time planning for the Nets when they know they have to slow 3 superstars, or the team with 1 threat? James Harden gets a lot better/easier shots than a guy like SGA because of the attention KD will attract.

Then besides that aspect you take a look at skill set. What does SGA do skill wise that separates him from his peers? Well despite that **** spacing... he led the NBA in drives by a mile (most drives per game in 15+ years in the NBA) in a league where everyone is jump shot happy. Then he was elite in isolation. Elite at creating his own offense without relying on teammates. When you add in the insane efficiency from everywhere on the floor (at rim, mid, 3), it’s pretty clear he’s a legit #1.

Now is that number #1 a top 5 player, which is usually required to win a title? Not yet. I do think he can have a year or two where he’s an MVP candidate if he continues improving and working this hard.[/quote]
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Post#2 » by EliteSmarts » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:03 pm

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Post#3 » by basketballRob » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:05 pm

He'll probably be behind Earvin Magic Barnes.

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Post#4 » by HoopsterJones » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:07 pm

I don’t see him being a top 10 player on that time frame. I’m not sure he’ll be a top 20 player in 3 years either.
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Post#5 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:08 pm

Yes. He’s already top 20. Top 10 isn’t some crazy high bar really.
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Post#6 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:09 pm

HoopsterJones wrote:I don’t see him being a top 10 player on that time frame. I’m not sure he’ll be a top 20 player in 3 years either.


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Post#7 » by HoopsterJones » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:12 pm

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HoopsterJones wrote:I don’t see him being a top 10 player on that time frame. I’m not sure he’ll be a top 20 player in 3 years either.


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But top 20 already? There’s more than 20 players in the NBA better right now than SGA. That’s not to say he isn’t good.
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Post#8 » by Statlanta » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:15 pm

There's a better chance he stagnates/declines considering how much G-League/sub-NBA talent he has to train with in practice.

He and Sam Presti are gonna be in the lottery for years.
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Post#9 » by Catchall » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:24 pm

I think SGA is a top 40 player in the league right now. He's a nice player, but he hasn't really proven much at this point. If you asked teams whether they'd prefer to have SGA or guys like Lamelo Ball, Brandon Ingram, MPJ, etc., I think the responses would be split.

ESPN just ranked him #36 on their Top 100 list.
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Post#10 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:28 pm

HoopsterJones wrote:
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HoopsterJones wrote:I don’t see him being a top 10 player on that time frame. I’m not sure he’ll be a top 20 player in 3 years either.


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But top 20 already? There’s more than 20 players in the NBA better right now than SGA. That’s not to say he isn’t good.


In terms of his skill set, talent, production, efficiency last year yes I have him in the 15-20 range already. Lower end of it. I think he’s not as far as you’d think from cracking that 8-10 area.

He had zero chance at any of those teams because he’s not super flashy or popular, and missed more than half the season.
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Post#11 » by cupcakesnake » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:41 pm

In my personal rankings, I have him as a cuspy top 20 player already. I like his game more than some of the other scoring guards in the NBA (Booker, Murray, Lavine, Mitchell), but acknowledge he hasn't been on a winning team or I guess accomplished as much.

I think most people who follow Shai are very high on him, but not a lot of people watched him play last year. I just see more of a total package that I see with these other guards and less limitations. He's taller, he's going to be a better defender than these other guys, he's stronger attacking the hoop, he's a better passer. He doesn't have the sniper rifle that Mitchell and Murray have. He doesn't have Lavine's bounce or Bookers midrange assasinary. But if I made a list of all the skills a guard should have and ranked these guys, I think Shai would pop out as clearly the most well-rounded and the guy with the least weaknesses.
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Post#12 » by HoopsterJones » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:43 pm

OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:
OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:
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But top 20 already? There’s more than 20 players in the NBA better right now than SGA. That’s not to say he isn’t good.


In terms of his skill set, talent, production, efficiency last year yes I have him in the 15-20 range already. Lower end of it. I think he’s not as far as you’d think from cracking that 8-10 area.

He had zero chance at any of those teams because he’s not super flashy or popular, and missed more than half the season.


I haven’t seen anyone rank SGA higher than 31 in SI, ESPN, NBA lists of players.

And he’s not 15-20 range already. Just because it’s your opinion doesn’t make it true. I have SGA in the top 30-35 range. And that’s not a slight. There’s just a lot of talent in the same range that really doesn’t have much separation TBH.
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Post#13 » by leolozon » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:46 pm

Possible, but it's statistically unlikely. 3 years isn't enough to be sure that Durant, Curry, Harden, Kawhi, Davis won't be in the conversation anymore. We have to assume 2 of them will still be top 10. Plus Giannis, Luka, Jokic and likely Embiid will still be there. So there is probably only 3-5 spots left for :

Zion, Trae, Tatum, Booker, Mitchell, Adebayo, SGA, Ja, Lamelo, Fox, Ingram, MPJ, (Brown, Lavine, Simmons, Murray I don't think so), and whoever is going to pan out in this rookie class.

So possible, but not likely in my opinion.
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Post#14 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:59 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:In my personal rankings, I have him as a cuspy top 20 player already. I like his game more than some of the other scoring guards in the NBA (Booker, Murray, Lavine, Mitchell), but acknowledge he hasn't been on a winning team or I guess accomplished as much.

I think most people who follow Shai are very high on him, but not a lot of people watched him play last year. I just see more of a total package that I see with these other guards and less limitations. He's taller, he's going to be a better defender than these other guys, he's stronger attacking the hoop, he's a better passer. He doesn't have the sniper rifle that Mitchell and Murray have. He doesn't have Lavine's bounce or Bookers midrange assasinary. But if I made a list of all the skills a guard should have and ranked these guys, I think Shai would pop out as clearly the most well-rounded and the guy with the least weaknesses.


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Post#15 » by cupcakesnake » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:08 pm

HoopsterJones wrote:
OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:
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But top 20 already? There’s more than 20 players in the NBA better right now than SGA. That’s not to say he isn’t good.


In terms of his skill set, talent, production, efficiency last year yes I have him in the 15-20 range already. Lower end of it. I think he’s not as far as you’d think from cracking that 8-10 area.

He had zero chance at any of those teams because he’s not super flashy or popular, and missed more than half the season.


I haven’t seen anyone rank SGA higher than 31 in SI, ESPN, NBA lists of players.

And he’s not 15-20 range already. Just because it’s your opinion doesn’t make it true. I have SGA in the top 30-35 range. And that’s not a slight. There’s just a lot of talent in the same range that really doesn’t have much separation TBH.


Every ranking list is just an opinion or an aggregate of multiple opinions. Player ranking is opinion based. There isn't such thing as an objective top 20 player in the NBA. It's rare you see a ranking that uses a strong methodology to create a slightly more objective ranking system. Seth Partnow at the athletic makes his tiers every year and backs it up decently. Ben Taylor does his top 10 and tries to provide ranges for players. Every other list I've seen is just random people like us (but some of them have journalism jobs) giving us their opinion.

Having SGA in your top 20 isn't unreasonable, but I agree with you that most people don't have him there right now. Having him in the early 30s is reasonable too. The consensus on Shai right now is probably somewhere in the range you have him in.
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Post#16 » by DroseReturnChi » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:19 pm

top 15 very easily. top 10 he will be like jimmy butler status 11-12.
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Post#17 » by DroseReturnChi » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:22 pm

Catchall wrote:I think SGA is a top 40 player in the league right now. He's a nice player, but he hasn't really proven much at this point. If you asked teams whether they'd prefer to have SGA or guys like Lamelo Ball, Brandon Ingram, MPJ, etc., I think the responses would be split.

ESPN just ranked him #36 on their Top 100 list.


lavine was a top 40 player until he won all star. sga he will be an all star and make at least 3rd all nba because he plays the game right way. proving only comes with 3 yrs of additional experience.
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Post#18 » by Gramercy Riffs » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:36 pm

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Harden, Lebron, KD, Kawhi, Doncic, Embiid, Butler, Lillard, Trae, Beal, Tatum, PG, Mitchell, Bam, Gobert, AD, KAT are 20 players I'd say are better than SGA. He's probably in my next 5 along with Randle, Sabonis, Fox, Westbrook.
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Post#19 » by PhilBlackson » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:44 pm

Well guess think of some of the names that should still be in the top 10 around that time..

Giannis
Luka
Jokic
Embiid
Davis
Tatum

That's about 6 right there then you have

Trae, Booker, Mitchell, Zion, LaVine, Morant and we're not even factoring how good might LaMelo, Edwards, Mobley etc might become. Will guys like Beal, Dame still be fairly relevant and I feel like I'm missing a few names in their too. Who are you definitively putting him ahead of??

As a hometown hero, I'm rooting for SGA and sure hope he does become one of the top 10 but it won't be easy.
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Post#20 » by DroseReturnChi » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:46 pm

Gramercy Riffs wrote:Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Harden, Lebron, KD, Kawhi, Doncic, Embiid, Butler, Lillard, Trae, Beal, Tatum, PG, Mitchell, Bam, Gobert, AD, KAT are 20 players I'd say are better than SGA. He's probably in my next 5 along with Randle, Sabonis, Fox, Westbrook.


they are all better atm but most are injury prone. i dont see AD,PG sustaining for next 3 yrs unless sga becomes injury prone.
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