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johanliebert wrote:Some of you are just miserable. Imagine honing in one one player and creating narratives
BDM22 wrote:QingJames wrote:BDM22 wrote:
You could argue that they should have taken Mobley or whatever, but outside of that you're talking pure 20/20 hindsight. Green was a consensus top-3 pick and looked at as EASILY the best scorer in the draft.
To add on to this - that doesn’t mean much to me. Front offices routinely prioritize flashy scoring combo guards with athleticism in the draft and this proves over and over again to be a mistake. The consensus was obviously wrong at the time and remains obviously wrong now. AT BEST Green becomes a Booker level player. A very good outcome for him would be to be a Beal or Lavine level player - guys who do not impact winning and will take you nowhere as the best guy on your team.
The fact that idiot draft analysts who can’t recognize that combo guards rarely lead to winning does not make the drafting of Green over Mobley and Barnes any less terrible. It was a bad pick in the moment and it remains a bad pick in hindsight.
It's the same skillset that Ant Edwards had on draft night and now he's the best player on a team with the best record in the west. Uber athletic but inefficient volume scorers.
Development trajectory is a whole other ball game that is quite difficult to project, but GM's will still take a chance on landing that next unstoppable guard/wing scorer.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:BDM22 wrote:QingJames wrote:
To add on to this - that doesn’t mean much to me. Front offices routinely prioritize flashy scoring combo guards with athleticism in the draft and this proves over and over again to be a mistake. The consensus was obviously wrong at the time and remains obviously wrong now. AT BEST Green becomes a Booker level player. A very good outcome for him would be to be a Beal or Lavine level player - guys who do not impact winning and will take you nowhere as the best guy on your team.
The fact that idiot draft analysts who can’t recognize that combo guards rarely lead to winning does not make the drafting of Green over Mobley and Barnes any less terrible. It was a bad pick in the moment and it remains a bad pick in hindsight.
It's the same skillset that Ant Edwards had on draft night and now he's the best player on a team with the best record in the west. Uber athletic but inefficient volume scorers.
Development trajectory is a whole other ball game that is quite difficult to project, but GM's will still take a chance on landing that next unstoppable guard/wing scorer.
It's a similar skillset to Antman, the big difference is the body frame those skills are in. Green is very slightly built, while Ant is a wrecking ball at 225lbs, I think Green still needs to gain another 20lbs, he's listed at 186lbs which is just too small for a 6'4" SG.
QingJames wrote:BDM22 wrote:
You could argue that they should have taken Mobley or whatever, but outside of that you're talking pure 20/20 hindsight. Green was a consensus top-3 pick and looked at as EASILY the best scorer in the draft.
To add on to this - that doesn’t mean much to me. Front offices routinely prioritize flashy scoring combo guards with athleticism in the draft and this proves over and over again to be a mistake. The consensus was obviously wrong at the time and remains obviously wrong now. AT BEST Green becomes a Booker level player. A very good outcome for him would be to be a Beal or Lavine level player - guys who do not impact winning and will take you nowhere as the best guy on your team.
The fact that idiot draft analysts who can’t recognize that combo guards rarely lead to winning does not make the drafting of Green over Mobley and Barnes any less terrible. It was a bad pick in the moment and it remains a bad pick in hindsight.
eyeatoma wrote:IMO the bigger issue is that Denver and the Jazz are allowed to host games at a high altitute, when they have literally had news exposes saying how it's a clear competetive advantage to play there.
AussieCeltic wrote:
Bro.. Eric Gordon is sitting there. How old is that?
Chuck Everett wrote:AussieCeltic wrote:Bro.. Eric Gordon is sitting there. How old is that?
Last season.
Jamaaliver wrote:Chuck Everett wrote:AussieCeltic wrote:Bro.. Eric Gordon is sitting there. How old is that?
Last season.
NBA Centel got me again...
eyeatoma wrote:IMO the bigger issue is that Denver and the Jazz are allowed to host games at a high altitute, when they have literally had news exposes saying how it's a clear competetive advantage to play there.
QingJames wrote:jasonxxx102 wrote:Can we get a vibe check on Jalen?
He's having his worst season so far. Shooting a hilarious 40/33/81. Still one of the worst defensive players in the league, and a -14 on/off split.
Not only is he providing nothing to this Rockets team that's surprisingly average, he's making them worse
He’s truly terrible. I’m happy for Rockets fans that their team is out of the swamp and made some good offseason acquisitions, but with so many good players in the 2021 draft that Green pick is one of the worst busts of all time. I’m not sure he’s even serviceable in a Lou Williams microwave scorer role for a decent team.
Again, drafting a combo guard with terrible defense in the lottery is one of the worst blunders teams can make in the modern era. These guys just do not impact winning, even at their 99th percentile development outcomes.
God Squad wrote:I'm not sure he's top 7 in a redraft.
Special_Puppy wrote:God Squad wrote:I'm not sure he's top 7 in a redraft.
Mobley+Barnes+Wagner+Sengun+Murphy+Grimes all comfortably go over him
Jamaaliver wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:You guys still dont' get it. Playoff accomplishment don't matter when you're up for your 1st MVP. When you're up for your 3rd in a row, damn straight it matters, as the only ones who done it are top 15 players of all time who have won rings.
Silvie Lysandra wrote:QingJames wrote:BDM22 wrote:
You could argue that they should have taken Mobley or whatever, but outside of that you're talking pure 20/20 hindsight. Green was a consensus top-3 pick and looked at as EASILY the best scorer in the draft.
To add on to this - that doesn’t mean much to me. Front offices routinely prioritize flashy scoring combo guards with athleticism in the draft and this proves over and over again to be a mistake. The consensus was obviously wrong at the time and remains obviously wrong now. AT BEST Green becomes a Booker level player. A very good outcome for him would be to be a Beal or Lavine level player - guys who do not impact winning and will take you nowhere as the best guy on your team.
The fact that idiot draft analysts who can’t recognize that combo guards rarely lead to winning does not make the drafting of Green over Mobley and Barnes any less terrible. It was a bad pick in the moment and it remains a bad pick in hindsight.
The problem with these guys isn't so much their skillset - it's that they get starter minutes based on them being able to score 20 a night while being a net negative, so they never bother to develop past iso scoring. Coaches refuse to bench them because they can't seem to comprehend that guys like this should be 10-15 mpg players unless and until they can actually contribute to winning basketball. You don't need high usage ISO scorers to generate offense anymore, every offensive system is essentially the triangle offense on steroids and you HAVE to be able to operate within that framework to be playable in the NBA.
Jordan Poole is the worst player in the NBA. He's averaging 21/4/3 per 36. Boomer coaches think that has to be worth *something* right? No, he's actually just ****, he shouldn't even be a starter in China, let alone the NBA, though I suspect we're playing him *because* we might have accidentally built a playin contender while intending tearing it down to the studs (our starting lineup without Poole has a -1 net rating) and he needs to play heavy minutes to keep us tanking. We'll worry about the impact on culture later I guess...
Guys like Green should come in at 10 MPG, then add more MPG based on their defense, then passing, etc. Pure iso scorers are not legitimate NBA rotation players in 2023.
