Why are the Hawks trying to move Dejounte Murray?

[dirkdiggler4177]

And what is their plan overall?

[Gusto1903]

Also what kinda **** trade is that discussed lakers deal on the frontpage?
DLo + 2029 Pick swap for Dejounte Murray. Who says yes

[LBJKB24MJ23]

DJ has a pretty nice contract. That's his own fault for signing below market rate tbh.

[Bornstellar]

Good question. I get they want to improve their roster but the trade proposals I keep seeing stink and he is on a team-friendly deal and clearly not the issue in ATL. Trading him for mid/late 1sts seems kinda pointless when ATL doesn't own their draft for three seasons after this summer

[BadWolf]

Lakers tax.

[tsherkin]

Why are they trying to move a 7th-year player (not counting his ACL year off) who is a notably inefficient volume scorer and only has a single season of meaningful offensive impact?

[_jin]

I dont think anybody knows what's the Hawks plan. I dont think the Hawks know. They got rid of Travis Schlenk because he didnt agree with that Murray trade that the owner's son wanted, gave away their future to the Spurs in the process, and less than 2 years later they are backpedaling and trying to offload him. They can't rebuild, and are stuck in the mediocre zone where they're a guaranteed playin team with no lottery and no playoffs in sight.
It reminds me of FC Nantes, the club I support in the french soccer league, which has been owned for 20 years by a rich guy who's trying to play GM with his son. Unsurprisingly, they've been constantly failing for 2 decades. I hope it wont last as long for Atlanta.

[BigGargamel]

Also what kinda **** trade is that discussed lakers deal on the frontpage?
DLo + 2029 Pick swap for Dejounte Murray. Who says yes

Just the media trying to drive every single player in the NBA to the Lakers..for that same worthless package.

[TheGeneral99]

Atlanta is doing bad and Trae is more valuable.

Dejounte is their best trade asset.

[JDR720]

Why are they trying to move a 7th-year player (not counting his ACL year off) who is a notably inefficient volume scorer and only has a single season of meaningful offensive impact?

Huh? Murray is shooting 47/38/83 this season. His career high in scoring is 21, also this season. He's definitely not an inefficient volume scorer. Besides that, he's on the team to defend and help take some of the load off Trae. Not score/carry the offense.

The Hawks issues aren't offense, they score plenty. It's that they can't defend anything. If they should trade anyone, it's Trae. He's one of the worst defenders in the league, if not the worst. It's almost impossible to build around that type of player.

[shrink]

DeJounte has been great offensively, but any team with Trae Young needs the SG to be super on defense, and Murray hasn’t been as good as the Hawks hoped. Since the pairing is part of the reason they are 18-24, they probably need to trade one or the other.

Trae is better, but he needs the ball in his hands all the time and a great defense behind him. Most teams already either have their main ball handler (or have invested lottery equity in a young guy for that role), and even fewer have the defense Trae requires. DeJounte will have a lot more suitors.

[Edrees]

Also what kinda **** trade is that discussed lakers deal on the frontpage?
DLo + 2029 Pick swap for Dejounte Murray. Who says yes

Just the media trying to drive every single player in the NBA to the Lakers..for that same worthless package.

That's not the media. That's players agents (for free agents) and front offices (for trades) trying to drive up the price on their player by rumoring Lakers. Maybe a team trying to trade for him will only give up a first for Murray, but if they think he'll end up on the Lakers they might add in a pick swap.

[tsherkin]

Huh? Murray is shooting 47/38/83 this season. His career high in scoring is 21, also this season. He's definitely not an inefficient volume scorer.

He's a 56.5% TS guy. That's 97 TS+ and -1.6% rTS.

That's inefficient by any definition you care to conjure.

Besides that, he's on the team to defend and help take some of the load off Trae. Not score/carry the offense.

Yes, and he isn't doing a good job of it, which is part of why that offense is ranked 12th in the league right now.

The Hawks issues aren't offense, they score plenty. It's that they can't defend anything.

Yes, they are the 4th-worst defense in the league. And their O is slightly above average.

If they should trade anyone, it's Trae. He's one of the worst defenders in the league, if not the worst. It's almost impossible to build around that type of player.

Nope, that's definitely not the way. Their offense would tank immediately and their D wouldn't improve enough for it to matter. What they need is for Trae to emphasize playmaking and not have to shoot as much. Him acting as the primary volume scorer is a much larger issue than his D.

[whatisacenter]

Also what kinda **** trade is that discussed lakers deal on the frontpage?
DLo + 2029 Pick swap for Dejounte Murray. Who says yes

Lakers say yes faster than the Hawks could think twice about it.

[tamaraw08]

Why are they trying to move a 7th-year player (not counting his ACL year off) who is a notably inefficient volume scorer and only has a single season of meaningful offensive impact?

I thought you made a mistake of calling him an inefficient scorer but my gosh, you are right. and the Lakers are rumored to have great interest in acquiring him.
56.5TS% is not that great, actually lower than D'Lo who currently has 59.4TS%.
And yes, I know he's a better defender but still....

[tsherkin]

Why are they trying to move a 7th-year player (not counting his ACL year off) who is a notably inefficient volume scorer and only has a single season of meaningful offensive impact?

I thought you made a mistake of calling him an inefficient scorer but my gosh, you are right. and the Lakers are rumored to have great interest in acquiring him.
56.5TS% is not that great, actually lower than D'Lo who currently has 59.4TS%.
And yes, I know he's a better defender but still....

Murray has value as a player, but it sure isn't as a 20 ppg scorer, that's all. Not everyone can do everything, after all, and that's fine. Lots of times, players are positioned poorly and it affects them badly because they aren't generational offensive players. In Murray's last season with the Spurs, he looked very different than his does now, right? He was still an inefficient scorer (partly because he's horrible at drawing fouls and loves his short middies too much), but his playmaking impact was quite a bit larger, so he had a better overall season as an offensive player.

He's still technically a net-positive player on offense for the same reason, but he's not a guy you want to funnel so many shots to as a result of his inefficiency.

[dockingsched]

Hawks are striking early, credit to them. Similar to how the wizards got off Westbrook just in time.

[Zeno]

What is being rumoured is a horrific return for Murray. Wiz are asking for more for Kyle Kuzma.

[BlzMwt]

Good question. I get they want to improve their roster but the trade proposals I keep seeing stink and he is on a team-friendly deal and clearly not the issue in ATL. Trading him for mid/late 1sts seems kinda pointless when ATL doesn't own their draft for three seasons after this summer

The rumour is the Lakers 2029 first round pick... which I would assume could be quite valuable as after this season or next I don't see the team being very successful barring a major free agent signing. Even the swap could be valuable.

[SlovenianDragon]

Is it fair to say the hawks should trade every1 besides young and jalen johnson and try to rebuild this team from the ground up? Trae is young enough they can take a few years to build a team around him...