When Do The Lakers Trade Lebron James?

[Jamaaliver]

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[One Last Shot]

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So as the Nuggets with 4-1 record if you include those games when Jokic was ejected in the 1st half playing less than 17 minutes but maybe you got a point, there's a chance that they are a better team without the Joker same as the Lakers without LeBron.

[Goomba3666]

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Also need to include the quality of teams they're beating too while getting very little praise from Bron's fans or the media who are usually rooting for the Lakers to lose when he's not playing.

[zimpy27]

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Also need to include the quality of teams they're beating too while getting very little praise from Bron's fans or the media who are usually rooting for the Lakers to lose when he's not playing.

And same with Nuggets fans about the team without Joker right?

[Goomba3666]

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Also need to include the quality of teams they're beating too while getting very little praise from Bron's fans or the media who are usually rooting for the Lakers to lose when he's not playing.

And same with Nuggets fans about the team without Joker right?

Same-Same.

[zimpy27]

Also need to include the quality of teams they're beating too while getting very little praise from Bron's fans or the media who are usually rooting for the Lakers to lose when he's not playing.

And same with Nuggets fans about the team without Joker right?

Same-Same.

Yeah, just wanted to point out that it's a common phenomena for all team fans to blame the rest of the team around their star players.

[Goomba3666]

And same with Nuggets fans about the team without Joker right?

Same-Same.

Yeah, just wanted to point out that it's a common phenomena for all team fans to blame the rest of the team around their star players.

Bron's fans and the media have been doing it since 2014. That's a decade strong calling teammates garbage and trash with the majority of those years being in a weak Conference. The degree in which his teammates and coaches are slandered and disrespected - it's unprecedented in sports. This is uniquely a Bron Fandom trait.

[MoneyMo]

6-4 without him and 36-28 with him of you include the IST final against the Pacers. Overall, sample size is small so their win percentage without would literally be lower if they lost their next game. It does show however, they do have some depth to withstand his absence occasionally.

He also has the best =/- of all the main rotation players besides Dinwiddie who just joined.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612747/onoffcourt-traditional?dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUS

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[MoneyMo]

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Also need to include the quality of teams they're beating too while getting very little praise from Bron's fans or the media who are usually rooting for the Lakers to lose when he's not playing.

two wins against the Bucks and one against the Celtics (AD also missed that game, I guess Celtics just underestimated them greatly). They do have some great wins with James however. 3 wins against the Thunder and Clippers each.

Overall it shows that this team has under performed. I know they have had some lineup issues with Prince starting the majority of the games. They've been playing really good ever since Rui Hachimura took his place in the starting lineup so that might be more of an indictment on Darvin Ham for not going to that sooner.

[Goomba3666]

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Also need to include the quality of teams they're beating too while getting very little praise from Bron's fans or the media who are usually rooting for the Lakers to lose when he's not playing.

two wins against the Bucks and one against the Celtics (AD also missed that game, I guess Celtics just underestimated them greatly). They do have some great wins with James however. 3 wins against the Thunder and Clippers each.

Overall it shows that this team has under performed. I know they have had some lineup issues with Prince starting the majority of the games. They've been playing really good ever since Rui Hachimura took his place in the starting lineup so that might be more of an indictment on Darvin Ham for not going to that sooner.

Ham has been doing phenomenal. Running really good plays for Rui and letting Rui and Reaves iso if the offense breaks down. It’s worked wonders for this team

[Goomba3666]

Lebron is great, but I think the wins without him are overblown. They’re obviously a bigger threat with him there.

I think it’s more about Bron’s legacy being built on ‘needing more help’ or ‘carrying trash to the finals’.
These talking points worked great in the JV league (Eastern Conference) but was DOA as soon as he came out West. Usually his fans/media can blame the coach or the players, but when they’re successful without him, the house of cards (referring to “Lebron playing with Trash”) collapses.

Worst of all for a Bron faithful is that it makes you question Lebron’s career if he would’ve been playing out West this whole time. You can have great teammates, coaching, and stats but still come up short every year.

[MoneyMo]

Lebron is great, but I think the wins without him are overblown. They’re obviously a bigger threat with him there.

I think it’s more about Bron’s legacy being built on ‘needing more help’ or ‘carrying trash to the finals’.
These talking points worked great in the JV league (Eastern Conference) but was DOA as soon as he came out West. Usually his fans/media can blame the coach or the players, but when they’re successful without him, the house of cards (referring to “Lebron playing with Trash”) collapses.

Worst of all for a Bron faithful is that it makes you question Lebron’s career if he would’ve been playing out West this whole time. You can have great teammates, coaching, and stats but still come up short every year.

His supporting cast has always been solid in the west with the exception of the Russ years (which was his own doing). That gutted the team and had them relying on a bunch of players that were out of the league the next year.

I wouldn't question his career based on his time in the west because these aren't his prime years. He signed with the Lakers when he was 34 so of course the results are going to be worse than they were in the east. He is a declining player playing in a tougher conference while he was in his prime during his east run.

Also, as easy as his run in the east seems in hindsight, his teams still managed to beat the very best of the west when they won championships.