NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

Special_Puppy · Post #1821 » by **Special_Puppy** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:07 am

Ambrose wrote:This is the classic dumb overthinking that happens at the end of every year. It's still comfortably Jokic.

The Nuggets might fall to the 3rd seed. His MVP could be in serious jeopardy if that happens

HotRocks34 · Post #1822 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:07 am

OKC beats PHX (SGA out)
MIN beats DEN
DAL still playing

Jokic numbers drop
SGA numbers mostly the same
Luka?

Black star · Post #1823 » by **Black star** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:33 am

Yuri36 wrote:
Black star wrote:Jokic is my pick for MVP and I don't think anything short of the Nuggets losing basically every game down the stretch will change that. He's been incredible all season and hasn't missed a significant number of games. I do think SGA is right behind him and if OKC had been able to create a little more separation in the standings that SGA would have gotten it.

If both the Nuggets and the Thunder falter down the stretch then Luka has a shot but that feels like a very long shot. The year Dallas can figure out a team around Luka that can stay in the top 3 is the year he wins MVP.

Well, MVP is not about the most wins, it's about being the most valuable player to their team.
And going by what you're saying, you're actually enforcing Luka's MVP case

Agree to disagree. The most valuable player has put his team in the best position to make a postseason run to win a championship. Luka is more valuable on a contender than he is on a fringe playoff team. In both cases he is equally as important but the value of being a top seeded contender is much higher than being a likely 1st round exit.

Luka was also incredible last year and they missed the playoffs entirely. I could have played in Luka's place and the team would have had just as much playoff success that year. So no I don't think emphasizing team success along with individual accomplishment is making Luka's MVP case this year.

HotRocks34 · Post #1824 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:36 am

Mavs win. Waiting for the odds update.

Mavs are 10-11 in their last 11 and the only loss (OKC) was with Luka out.

He's making a real push now. Not sure he can win it, but he's surging while SGA is hurting and Jokic is losing (and hurting).

Yuri36 · Post #1825 » by **Yuri36** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:36 am

Black star wrote:
Yuri36 wrote:
Black star wrote:Jokic is my pick for MVP and I don't think anything short of the Nuggets losing basically every game down the stretch will change that. He's been incredible all season and hasn't missed a significant number of games. I do think SGA is right behind him and if OKC had been able to create a little more separation in the standings that SGA would have gotten it.

If both the Nuggets and the Thunder falter down the stretch then Luka has a shot but that feels like a very long shot. The year Dallas can figure out a team around Luka that can stay in the top 3 is the year he wins MVP.

Well, MVP is not about the most wins, it's about being the most valuable player to their team.
And going by what you're saying, you're actually enforcing Luka's MVP case

Agree to disagree. The most valuable player has put his team in the best position to make a postseason run to win a championship. Luka is more valuable on a contender than he is on a fringe playoff team. In both cases he is equally as important but the value of being a top seeded contender is much higher than being a likely 1st round exit.

Luka was also incredible last year and they missed the playoffs entirely. I could have played in Luka's place and the team would have had just as much playoff success that year. So no I don't think emphasizing team success along with individual accomplishment is making Luka's MVP case this year.

Well, precisely in your previous post, you're making it sound like Luka couldn't have done more than what he did and that it was up to Mavs front office to get him a better team for him to get a MVP....so in some sense, you're contradicting yourself.

Wolfgang630 · Post #1826 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:37 am

Idk why joker is playing with a bad wrist. He should be sitting games

Yuri36 · Post #1827 » by **Yuri36** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:38 am

HotRocks34 wrote:Mavs win. Waiting for the odds update.

Mavs are 10-11 in their last 11 and the only loss (OKC) was with Luka out.

He's making a real push now. Not sure he can win it, but he's surging while SGA is hurting and Jokic is losing (and hurting).

And OKC's today trashing of Suns without SGA has actually somehow downlow SGA's MVP credentials

Ambrose · Post #1828 » by **Ambrose** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:42 am

Special_Puppy wrote:
Ambrose wrote:This is the classic dumb overthinking that happens at the end of every year. It's still comfortably Jokic.

The Nuggets might fall to the 3rd seed. His MVP could be in serious jeopardy if that happens

Oh boo hoo he might lose one more game than the 1 seed. How awful.

AleksandarN · Post #1829 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:45 am

Irving for mvp! Who is with me?

dygaction · Post #1830 » by **dygaction** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:51 am

Black star wrote:
Yuri36 wrote:
Black star wrote:Jokic is my pick for MVP and I don't think anything short of the Nuggets losing basically every game down the stretch will change that. He's been incredible all season and hasn't missed a significant number of games. I do think SGA is right behind him and if OKC had been able to create a little more separation in the standings that SGA would have gotten it.

If both the Nuggets and the Thunder falter down the stretch then Luka has a shot but that feels like a very long shot. The year Dallas can figure out a team around Luka that can stay in the top 3 is the year he wins MVP.

Well, MVP is not about the most wins, it's about being the most valuable player to their team.
And going by what you're saying, you're actually enforcing Luka's MVP case

Agree to disagree. The most valuable player has put his team in the best position to make a postseason run to win a championship. Luka is more valuable on a contender than he is on a fringe playoff team. In both cases he is equally as important but the value of being a top seeded contender is much higher than being a likely 1st round exit.

Luka was also incredible last year and they missed the playoffs entirely. I could have played in Luka's place and the team would have had just as much playoff success that year. So no I don't think emphasizing team success along with individual accomplishment is making Luka's MVP case this year.

No need to diminishing yourself. You in place of Luka Mavs would have secured Wemby.

Infinite Llamas · Post #1831 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:03 am

Jamal 54 games
Kyrie 51 games
Jalen Williams 66 games, Chet 73 games

Denver still only a game out of the first seed with Jamal being a somewhat part time player this year.

Handlez · Post #1832 » by **Handlez** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:03 am

Uh oh...

It ain't over yet.

Luka's coming...

Wolfgang630 · Post #1833 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:07 am

Jokers had wrist issues for 3-4 years straight now. And when he has his wrist problem his scoring drops off the cliff for obvious reasons.

AleksandarN · Post #1834 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:09 am

Handlez wrote:Uh oh...

It ain't over yet.

Luka's coming...

More like Irving is coming

Kurtz · Post #1835 » by **Kurtz** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:10 am

It's been over for a while; when odds get into the -1000s, especially with so few games left, it's a forgone conclusion. But the Mavs are positioning themselves as a legit contender right now, which is nice. Whoever they play, it'll be a show.

Wolfgang630 · Post #1836 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:13 am

I think everyone agrees the west is crazy too. It’s hard to win games in this conference with so many great teams.

BruttoNostra · Post #1837 » by **BruttoNostra** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:59 am

AleksandarN wrote:
Handlez wrote:Uh oh...

It ain't over yet.

Luka's coming...

More like Irving is coming

Come on, man.
You have to watch Mavs to understand HOW open Kyrie is due to almost constant double team on Luka.
It's like Murray, he might score more than Jokic, but we all know it wouldn't happen without Jokic's gravity and playmaking.

boogiezen · Post #1838 » by **boogiezen** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:45 am

The mental gymnastics around here. Luka had to carry Dallas when they had injuries in the whole month of December (Kai was out for 22 games!!!) and a few games in January. If it wasn't for him Dallas would have been outside the play in! That's the definition of MVP. He put Dallas in the right position. And heck this is not even the best Jokic season. And you all making justification to not give Luka his due!

Bob8 · Post #1839 » by **Bob8** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:44 am

AleksandarN wrote:Irving for mvp! Who is with me?

Yes Kyrie was great lately, but it's also true that Mavs are not better than Denver only because he missed so many games. You know how many games he played? They can't give MVP to him, even if they wanted.

It looks like Jokic can't win without Murray. Should we give MVP to Murray? Of course not.

Are you afraid of Luka taking away MVP from Jokic? It for sure looks like that.

Here you have comparison between Luka and Kyrie.

https://stathead.com/tiny/XMUuZ

Does it look close to you?

Bob8 · Post #1840 » by **Bob8** » Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:48 am

boogiezen wrote:The mental gymnastics around here. Luka had to carry Dallas when they had injuries in the whole month of December (Kai was out for 22 games!!!) and a few games in January. If it wasn't for him Dallas would have been outside the play in! That's the definition of MVP. He put Dallas in the right position. And heck this is not even the best Jokic season. And you all making justification to not give Luka his due!

No mental gymnastics. Some Serbs just hating on Luka. It looks like he's really close.

Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)