Is this the greatest western conference ever?

[mademan]

The only real contender that I see in the West is Denver.

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? Thats wild. Denver is the best team in the West and should 100% be favoured in every series, but even theyre not above getting knocked out in the first round if they face off against a hot Lakers/Suns/Mavs team

[Godymas]

Denver Nuggets - Jokic will be in the HoF
OKC Thunder - SGA/Chet/JDub all have potential, but SGA is more on the path
Minnesota Timberwolves - Gobert will be in the HoF, KAT and Ant have potential
LAC - Kawhi/Harden/PG/WB will be in the HoF
New Orleans Pelicans - Zion has potential to be in the HoF
Dallas Mavericks - Luka and Kyrie are HoFers
Sacramento Kings - Sabonis is on a HoF path
Phoenix Suns - KD is a HoFer, Book
Los Angeles Lakers - LeBron and AD are HoFers
Golden State - Steph Curry and Draymond Green are HoFers

I think when it's all said and done this current Western conference will have 21 HoFers in the top 10 seeds really how often has that happened?

Well, not going to look up examples because obviously any list that includes young players ‘on a HOF pace/potential’ will be much larger than ones that already know how many of those did/did not pan out.

So let's compare to a recent strong West and use all 10 seeds. The 2013-2014 western conference

Spurs - Duncan, Ginobili, Parker
OKC - WB, Durant
Clippers - CP3, maybe Blake Griffin
Portland - Dame
Houston - Harden, Dwight
Golden State - Curry, Dray, Klay - back then none of them would be viewed as any HoF chance except maybe Curry
Memphis - Marc Gasol
Mavs - Dirk, Vince Carter (way past his prime though), Maybe Shawn Marion
Suns - no one
Minnesota - Kevin Love

If we remove Dray and Klay who no one thought would be HoFers in 2013-2014 that makes for 15 total HoFers in a Western conference with a 50 win minimum for the playoffs.

[One_and_Done]

Denver Nuggets - Jokic will be in the HoF
OKC Thunder - SGA/Chet/JDub all have potential, but SGA is more on the path
Minnesota Timberwolves - Gobert will be in the HoF, KAT and Ant have potential
LAC - Kawhi/Harden/PG/WB will be in the HoF
New Orleans Pelicans - Zion has potential to be in the HoF
Dallas Mavericks - Luka and Kyrie are HoFers
Sacramento Kings - Sabonis is on a HoF path
Phoenix Suns - KD is a HoFer, Book
Los Angeles Lakers - LeBron and AD are HoFers
Golden State - Steph Curry and Draymond Green are HoFers

I think when it's all said and done this current Western conference will have 21 HoFers in the top 10 seeds really how often has that happened?

Well, not going to look up examples because obviously any list that includes young players ‘on a HOF pace/potential’ will be much larger than ones that already know how many of those did/did not pan out.

So let's compare to a recent strong West and use all 10 seeds. The 2013-2014 western conference

Spurs - Duncan, Ginobili, Parker
OKC - WB, Durant
Clippers - CP3, maybe Blake Griffin
Portland - Dame
Houston - Harden, Dwight
Golden State - Curry, Dray, Klay - back then none of them would be viewed as any HoF chance except maybe Curry
Memphis - Marc Gasol
Mavs - Dirk, Vince Carter (way past his prime though), Maybe Shawn Marion
Suns - no one
Minnesota - Kevin Love

If we remove Dray and Klay who no one thought would be HoFers in 2013-2014 that makes for 15 total HoFers in a Western conference with a 50 win minimum for the playoffs.

I stopped reading after the first line. You do get none of Duncan, Manu or Parker were in their primes in 2014 right?

[OdomFan]

2000-2003 was better imo, and 1993-96.

Shaq and Kobe Lakers
Webber-Peja-Bibby Kings. Williams before that.
Duncan Spurs
Dirk and Nash Mavs
Yao Ming and Francis Rockets

Malone Stockton Jazz
Kemp/Payton Sonics
Hakeem/Drexler Rockets
Robinson Spurs
Rasheed Wallace and that solid Blazers roster

[OdomFan]

Well, not going to look up examples because obviously any list that includes young players ‘on a HOF pace/potential’ will be much larger than ones that already know how many of those did/did not pan out.

So let's compare to a recent strong West and use all 10 seeds. The 2013-2014 western conference

Spurs - Duncan, Ginobili, Parker
OKC - WB, Durant
Clippers - CP3, maybe Blake Griffin
Portland - Dame
Houston - Harden, Dwight
Golden State - Curry, Dray, Klay - back then none of them would be viewed as any HoF chance except maybe Curry
Memphis - Marc Gasol
Mavs - Dirk, Vince Carter (way past his prime though), Maybe Shawn Marion
Suns - no one
Minnesota - Kevin Love

If we remove Dray and Klay who no one thought would be HoFers in 2013-2014 that makes for 15 total HoFers in a Western conference with a 50 win minimum for the playoffs.

I stopped reading after the first line. You do get none of Duncan, Manu or Parker were in their primes in 2014 right?

Where did it say anything about them being in prime? That 2014 Spurs team were still a strong squad. All 3 played well despite not being at the prime anymore.

[jkvonny]

2000-2003 was better imo, and 1993-96.

Shaq and Kobe Lakers
Webber-Peja-Bibby Kings. Williams before that.
Duncan Spurs
Dirk and Nash Mavs
Yao Ming and Francis Rockets

Malone Stockton Jazz
Kemp/Payton Sonics
Hakeem/Drexler Rockets
Robinson Spurs
Rasheed Wallace and that solid Blazers roster

Dont forget the KG/Wally TWolves.

[One_and_Done]

If you want to discuss the team strength then throwing out past prime names is not the way to do it. 2014 Spurs were a strong team, but not because of Tony or Manu. Kawhi was more important.

[Dan1970]

Denver Nuggets - Jokic will be in the HoF
OKC Thunder - SGA/Chet/JDub all have potential, but SGA is more on the path
Minnesota Timberwolves - Gobert will be in the HoF, KAT and Ant have potential
LAC - Kawhi/Harden/PG/WB will be in the HoF
New Orleans Pelicans - Zion has potential to be in the HoF
Dallas Mavericks - Luka and Kyrie are HoFers
Sacramento Kings - Sabonis is on a HoF path
Phoenix Suns - KD is a HoFer, Book
Los Angeles Lakers - LeBron and AD are HoFers
Golden State - Steph Curry and Draymond Green are HoFers

I think when it's all said and done this current Western conference will have 21 HoFers in the top 10 seeds really how often has that happened?

Lets go back to 2007-08. 15 are in. 3 more locks. 4 more have a good chance.

In the Hall of Fame (15 players):
Dirk Nowitzki* DAL
Jason Kidd* DAL
Allen Iverson* DEN
Chris Webber* GSW
Dikembe Mutombo* HOU
Yao Ming* HOU
Tracy McGrady* HOU
Kobe Bryant* LAL
Pau Gasol* LAL
Steve Nash* PHO
Grant Hill* PHO
Shaquille O'Neal* PHO
Tony Parker* SAS
Manu Ginóbili* SAS
Tim Duncan* SAS


Lock (3 players):
Carmelo Anthony - DEN
Chris Paul - NOH
LaMarcus Aldridge - POR

Chance (4 players):
Shawn Marion - PHO
Peja Stojaković - NOH
Amar'e Stoudemire - PHO
Deron Williams - UTA

[MyTake_1]

It would be so funny to have 7=10 Clippers, Suns, Lakers. Warriors.

Changing of the guards at its best, huge tax bills, and a total waste of money.

End to the Super Teams.

[Godymas]

Well, not going to look up examples because obviously any list that includes young players ‘on a HOF pace/potential’ will be much larger than ones that already know how many of those did/did not pan out.

So let's compare to a recent strong West and use all 10 seeds. The 2013-2014 western conference

Spurs - Duncan, Ginobili, Parker
OKC - WB, Durant
Clippers - CP3, maybe Blake Griffin
Portland - Dame
Houston - Harden, Dwight
Golden State - Curry, Dray, Klay - back then none of them would be viewed as any HoF chance except maybe Curry
Memphis - Marc Gasol
Mavs - Dirk, Vince Carter (way past his prime though), Maybe Shawn Marion
Suns - no one
Minnesota - Kevin Love

If we remove Dray and Klay who no one thought would be HoFers in 2013-2014 that makes for 15 total HoFers in a Western conference with a 50 win minimum for the playoffs.

I stopped reading after the first line. You do get none of Duncan, Manu or Parker were in their primes in 2014 right?

You do get that they still won the championship that year

but you reminded me, I forgot to add Kawhi to the list.

[Heej]

When he didn't play any high PnR teams. Again; useful.

Get over it man. Jokic is a genius who can pretty much read what players are gonna do as they're starting the action. All a big needs to do is corral the ballhandler enough until his guard is back in the play and Murray is athletic enough to get back in the play a step quicker than most guards. Don't hold your breath on him getting smoked by Fox or Curry to the degree that he's about to own those midgets when it's his turn to run PnR and handoffs on them.

And a big part of why his numbers are so good in PnR defense is he's wearing those little guys out with lumberjack screens every possession that require max effort at all times to try and stop when Murray has the ball. It'll never be an even trade. Jokic and Murray is the best PnR in NBA history, and conversely that duo isn't even the worst PnR defending duo in the league currently.

People are gonna realize that Jokic is basically big man Curry on defense. Weaknesses? Sure. Is he a weak defender? No. He hasn't been one for far longer than you realized, and his fans saw the leap occur a while back while you still clung to your normie uninformed opinion and incomplete eye test.

I wonder why it is that after a mere 1 title in a relatively down year Jokic fans come off like this? What is there about Jokic that is different to Curry, Lebron, Jordan, Duncan, Hakeem, Magic or Kareem? We can only wonder.

I'm a LeBron fan. I don't consider myself a Jokic fan in the slightest. And also I'm not white so that lazy line of reasoning doesn't work on me

I've just had to cope and seethe and accept the fact that he's really just like that, and will shut down our Glorious King's title window for good. And also just from knowing ball and playing ball, being one step quicker than your opponent mentally absolutely makes up for when you're a step or 2 slower physically

[SpreeS]

Around 45-37 record will secure Play-In spot (10th) this year. With this record you would get 4 or 5 home court advantages in 1st PO rnd in Magic era.

[AIfan3]

The only real contender that I see in the West is Denver.

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Probably the Clippers also. If they're healthy, playoff Kawhi, PG and their role guys can absolutely take Denver out in a 7 game series.

I don't know why people are sleeping on them. That's a dangerous veteran squad.