Is this the greatest western conference ever?

[AleksandarN]

RS and playoffs are a different animals.

I also brought up his last season playoffs as a counter point. You are digging yourself deeper here.

[One_and_Done]

RS and playoffs are a different animals.

I also brought up his last season playoffs as a counter point. You are digging yourself deeper here.

The playoffs where he dodged all the good high PnR teams. Useful.

[bballfan1three3]

RS and playoffs are a different animals.

I also brought up his last season playoffs as a counter point. You are digging yourself deeper here.

The playoffs where he dodged all the good high PnR teams. Useful.

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[AleksandarN]

RS and playoffs are a different animals.

I also brought up his last season playoffs as a counter point. You are digging yourself deeper here.

The playoffs where he dodged all the good high PnR teams. Useful.

Again the regular season he hasn’t dodged anyone. The teams you mentioned earlier he was not exposed. So again you have nothing to stand on.

[AleksandarN]

I also brought up his last season playoffs as a counter point. You are digging yourself deeper here.

The playoffs where he dodged all the good high PnR teams. Useful.

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[One_and_Done]

How about we see how he goes this playoffs? Cool.

[AleksandarN]

How about we see how he goes this playoffs? Cool.

We seen in the last couple of years with a healthy team he hasn’t been exposed. You have brought nothing to this discussion that says otherwise. At least make an intelligent effort here. You are making yourself look bad.

[Johnny Bball]

So you're going to include two teams he lost to because of injuries on his team, and then 2019 and 2020 which were 4-5 years ago? I'm not saying it's not a weakness but this isn't the way to prove it.

To hear posters like the one above you injuries only count for the Nuggets.

Jokic having a weakness doesn't mean teams who play to that weakness are able to overcome it. Hopefully this playoffs we get more info.

Here is more info. If only teams would put Jokic through pick and rolls more. Expose him!!

Read on Twitter

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Yeah this isn't any kind of gotcha. Its not the screener that will light him up, but the ballhandler half of the PNR duo. Guys like Irving/James in the past. When Jokic has to drop in coverage, Irving can just shoot at will or drive by and torch them. And when you think its not on Jokic to stop the guard, well it is, if he could hedge he could slow him down just enough, but he can't. Because there's no way he likely is quick enough to hedge and if he does, he doesn't recover from hedging.

Its not everyday players that are the problem, its elite PNR ballhandlers that give slower centres fits.

[jfs1000d]

No. Just some really bad teams in the west who don’t win at all, and the bottom of the east is historically bad.


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[AleksandarN]

To hear posters like the one above you injuries only count for the Nuggets.

Jokic having a weakness doesn't mean teams who play to that weakness are able to overcome it. Hopefully this playoffs we get more info.

Here is more info. If only teams would put Jokic through pick and rolls more. Expose him!!

Read on Twitter

.

Yeah this isn't any kind of gotcha. Its not the screener that will light him up, but the ballhandler half of the PNR duo. Guys like Irving/James in the past. When Jokic has to drop in coverage, Irving can just shoot at will or drive by and torch them. And when you think its not on Jokic to stop the guard, well it is, if he could hedge he could slow him down just enough, but he can't. Because there's no way he likely is quick enough to hedge and if he does, he doesn't recover from hedging.

Its not everyday players that are the problem, its elite PNR ballhandlers that give slower centres fits.

Again the point is Jokic hasn’t been exposed on pick and rolls the last couple of years (where he is a complete liability on that end) which is my point. Will guards get by centers in pick and rolls of course you can’t stop them all of the time especially the elite guards. Jokic with his quick hands and coming up to screens has negated some of his athletic short comings. In regards to Irving Jokic has done ok against him. Jokic is not a complete negative on that side of the floor.

[One_and_Done]

There's no point discussing because Jokic stans will say every past example doesn't count for one reason or another. The only thing to do is to wait for the playoffs. The proof will hopefully be in the pudding.

[AleksandarN]

There's no point discussing because Jokic stans will say every past example doesn't count for one reason or another. The only thing to do is to wait for the playoffs. The proof will hopefully be in the pudding.

Like last year when everyone said Jokic would be exposed in the playoffs. Which he didn’t.

[One_and_Done]

There's no point discussing because Jokic stans will say every past example doesn't count for one reason or another. The only thing to do is to wait for the playoffs. The proof will hopefully be in the pudding.

Like last year when everyone said Jokic would be exposed in the playoffs. Which he didn’t.

When he didn't play any high PnR teams. Again; useful.

[AleksandarN]

There's no point discussing because Jokic stans will say every past example doesn't count for one reason or another. The only thing to do is to wait for the playoffs. The proof will hopefully be in the pudding.

Like last year when everyone said Jokic would be exposed in the playoffs. Which he didn’t.

When he didn't play any high PnR teams. Again; useful.

What teams were those last year?

Edit: I will do it for you. Top 10 teams in terms of frequency last year. Man if the Nuggets played those teams last year Jokic would have been exposed and would not have won.

Hawks
Bulls
Pistons
Cavs
Rockets
Hornets
Magic
Thunder
Grizzlies
Blazers.

[AIfan3]

It's stacked, but not the most stacked. I think 08 and 10 had all teams in the West win 50 or more games. I forgot which year, but there was one where nearly all the series in the first round went to 7 games also.

[Heej]

There's no point discussing because Jokic stans will say every past example doesn't count for one reason or another. The only thing to do is to wait for the playoffs. The proof will hopefully be in the pudding.

Like last year when everyone said Jokic would be exposed in the playoffs. Which he didn’t.

When he didn't play any high PnR teams. Again; useful.

Get over it man. Jokic is a genius who can pretty much read what players are gonna do as they're starting the action. All a big needs to do is corral the ballhandler enough until his guard is back in the play and Murray is athletic enough to get back in the play a step quicker than most guards. Don't hold your breath on him getting smoked by Fox or Curry to the degree that he's about to own those midgets when it's his turn to run PnR and handoffs on them.

And a big part of why his numbers are so good in PnR defense is he's wearing those little guys out with lumberjack screens every possession that require max effort at all times to try and stop when Murray has the ball. It'll never be an even trade. Jokic and Murray is the best PnR in NBA history, and conversely that duo isn't even the worst PnR defending duo in the league currently.

People are gonna realize that Jokic is basically big man Curry on defense. Weaknesses? Sure. Is he a weak defender? No. He hasn't been one for far longer than you realized, and his fans saw the leap occur a while back while you still clung to your normie uninformed opinion and incomplete eye test.

[One_and_Done]

Like last year when everyone said Jokic would be exposed in the playoffs. Which he didn’t.

When he didn't play any high PnR teams. Again; useful.

Get over it man. Jokic is a genius who can pretty much read what players are gonna do as they're starting the action. All a big needs to do is corral the ballhandler enough until his guard is back in the play and Murray is athletic enough to get back in the play a step quicker than most guards. Don't hold your breath on him getting smoked by Fox or Curry to the degree that he's about to own those midgets when it's his turn to run PnR and handoffs on them.

And a big part of why his numbers are so good in PnR defense is he's wearing those little guys out with lumberjack screens every possession that require max effort at all times to try and stop when Murray has the ball. It'll never be an even trade. Jokic and Murray is the best PnR in NBA history, and conversely that duo isn't even the worst PnR defending duo in the league currently.

People are gonna realize that Jokic is basically big man Curry on defense. Weaknesses? Sure. Is he a weak defender? No. He hasn't been one for far longer than you realized, and his fans saw the leap occur a while back while you still clung to your normie uninformed opinion and incomplete eye test.

I wonder why it is that after a mere 1 title in a relatively down year Jokic fans come off like this? What is there about Jokic that is different to Curry, Lebron, Jordan, Duncan, Hakeem, Magic or Kareem? We can only wonder.

[Goomba3666]

Not even close. Those of us who have been watching Western Conference hoops for a while know what’s up.

[Johnny Firpo]

When he didn't play any high PnR teams. Again; useful.

Get over it man. Jokic is a genius who can pretty much read what players are gonna do as they're starting the action. All a big needs to do is corral the ballhandler enough until his guard is back in the play and Murray is athletic enough to get back in the play a step quicker than most guards. Don't hold your breath on him getting smoked by Fox or Curry to the degree that he's about to own those midgets when it's his turn to run PnR and handoffs on them.

And a big part of why his numbers are so good in PnR defense is he's wearing those little guys out with lumberjack screens every possession that require max effort at all times to try and stop when Murray has the ball. It'll never be an even trade. Jokic and Murray is the best PnR in NBA history, and conversely that duo isn't even the worst PnR defending duo in the league currently.

People are gonna realize that Jokic is basically big man Curry on defense. Weaknesses? Sure. Is he a weak defender? No. He hasn't been one for far longer than you realized, and his fans saw the leap occur a while back while you still clung to your normie uninformed opinion and incomplete eye test.

I wonder why it is that after a mere 1 title in a relatively down year Jokic fans come off like this? What is there about Jokic that is different to Curry, Lebron, Jordan, Duncan, Hakeem, Magic or Kareem? We can only wonder.

Well, now we know why you don't like him, thank you for making it obvious. Down year? In the four rounds, Jokic went against 22 combined all-defense and DPOY selections/titles, and 85 combined All-Star appearances among his opponents. Both are all-time records. But please, continue to spew your xenophobic opinions.

[Johnny Firpo]

Not even close. Those of us who have been watching Western Conference hoops for a while know what’s up.

It's definitely the deepest it's ever been, and it's not even close. Now, is that the best ever top 2, the best ever top 3, or the best ever top 4? Obviously not, but it's the deepens it's ever been. Which one you weigh more? I would probably weigh the top-end talent more either, just because you have to go through those anyway.