Lebron won’t be on top 10 GOAT lists in 30 years
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Wilt owns more records than anyone in NBA history. It’s not even close. Some of his records are truly mind boggling. You’d think a guy who owns the NBA record book would be bulletproof over the course of history. He’s not. He’s also upside down in the NBA Finals (2-4). He was only able to beat Bill Russel’s Celts one time and lost to him the rest of the time. Wilt always fell short of Russell in the GOAT debate and his historical ranking has aged poorly over time. Most basketball fans dismiss his record breaking statistical dominance by claiming he was a physical specimen who just overwhelmed inferior athletes or opponents. In the 90’s, Wilt was on most everyone’s top 10 list but over the last ten years he’s dropped off of most top 10 lists. I think the same will happen to Lebron. He’ll age poorly. Future fans will dismiss his record breaking stats and claim he was just a physical specimen who bullied his opponents (like Wilt). He’s also upside down in the Finals (4-6) like Wilt was. He was only able to beat Curry once and lost to him the rest of the time (again, like Wilt). In 30 years time we’ll probably see Lebron backslide off of a lot of top 10 lists. Jordan has been able to withstand the test of time though, maybe because he’s not an impossible specimen and maybe it’s because he’s not upside down in the Finals. It’s been 33 years since his first title and he’s still 1 or 2 on most GOAT lists. However, I think Lebron will get the Wilt treatment over time. Am I right or wrong?
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All time LBJ hater here, but I think you're wrong. He will be, at worst, at top 5 all time player in 30 years. I have him at #2 now and no way someone like Jokic or Giannis will surpass his greatness. Of the players now, Wemby-of course-could become the undisputed GOAT, but that's highly unlikely.
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Well yeah, he'll be 69 years old
Hon-essim wrote:LOL @John Starks, Charles Oakley, Harper and Davis = average team but Smush, Kwame and Luke = not.
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By the title I thought you meant that Lebron will no longer be performing in the NBA at a top 10 player level when he's in his 60s
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oversteerdawg wrote:Well yeah, he'll be 69 years old
teehee
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Lebron is cemented as a top five player of all time. Only casuals will bring up his finals record because they know the rest of his resume is bulletproof.
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Hair Jordan wrote:Wilt owns more records than anyone in NBA history. It’s not even close. Some of his records are truly mind boggling. You’d think a guy who owns the NBA record book would be bulletproof over the course of history. He’s not. He’s also upside down in the NBA Finals (4-6). He was only able to beat Bill Russel’s Celts one time and lost to him the rest of the time. Wilt always fell short of Russell in the GOAT debate and his historical ranking has aged poorly over time. Most basketball fans dismiss his record breaking statistical dominance by claiming he was a physical specimen who just overwhelmed inferior athletes or opponents. In the 90’s, Wilt was on most everyone’s top 10 list but over the last ten years he’s dropped off of most top 10 lists. I think the same will happen to Lebron. He’ll age poorly. Future fans will dismiss his record breaking stats and claim he was just a physical specimen who bullied his opponents (like Wilt). He’s also upside down in the Finals (4-6) like Wilt was. He was only able to beat Curry once and lost to him the rest of the time (again, like Wilt). In 30 years time we’ll probably see Lebron backslide off of a lot of top 10 lists. Jordan has been able to withstand the test of time though, maybe because he’s not an impossible specimen and maybe it’s because he’s not upside down in the Finals. It’s been 33 years since his first title and he’s still 1 or 2 on most GOAT lists. However, I think Lebron will get the Wilt treatment over time. Am I right or wrong?
Nobody excludes Kareem’s from top 10 lists. Lebron has the same case as him.
Less players are going to win multiple titles going forward because of the cba, ie Boston will have to break up after next season or face financial apocalypse or Denver when they have problems retaining Murray and Gordon.
Building dynasties is going to be almost impossible so players won’t have the ring or playoff win counts to surpass James
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Wilts records are so unbelievable, folks think they are lies. Just recently, the 100 point game came under question.
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Marrrcuss wrote:Wilts records are so unbelievable, folks think they are lies. Just recently, the 100 point game came under question.
I know. Youngsters will question Lebron’s stats the same way in 30 years.
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Who are the 10 who will be above him, OP?
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I think it’s more likely this account is a LeBron stan posting total garbage to make their opposition look bad
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Certainly there will be a more rational and less emotional examination of his career once he's "forgotten." He'll probably still be scoring champ in 30 years most likely--but people will claim it's a byproduct of the inflated offense of his era, the three-ball and emasculation of the defense and that he was doing it against day traders and G-Leaguers.
I think the six losses will eventually weigh heavily against him. Mikan has a rational near-GOAT case but nobody makes it anymore because the weight of bias is just too great to overcome. The same will hold true in the future. Jordan's 6-0 seems more mystical than 40k career points. And people 30 years from now will be inflating whatever guy they currently like.
I think the six losses will eventually weigh heavily against him. Mikan has a rational near-GOAT case but nobody makes it anymore because the weight of bias is just too great to overcome. The same will hold true in the future. Jordan's 6-0 seems more mystical than 40k career points. And people 30 years from now will be inflating whatever guy they currently like.
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KembaWalker wrote:I think it’s more likely this account is a LeBron stan posting total garbage to make their opposition look bad
Ya know, i was about to go against you but the precedent has been set on other social media apps by MJ fans posing as Bron lovers.
Who knows
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hauntedcomputer wrote:Certainly there will be a more rational and less emotional examination of his career once he's "forgotten." He'll probably still be scoring champ in 30 years most likely--but people will claim it's a byproduct of the inflated offense of his era, the three-ball and emasculation of the defense and that he was doing it against day traders and G-Leaguers.
LeBron played in an era where his team got 15 more free throws a game than their opponents, whom were simultaneously taking their own under props on PrizePicks
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I agree that I don't think lebrons legacy will age as well as some others ( tho I'm sure he and klutch will be try to elevate his brand and image through the years post retirement) but he will firmly be top 3- 5 for the next 30 years.
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Wilt is top 10 and so is Kareem. What am I missing here?
Also, Lebron’s legacy is a lot better than Wilt’s. Lebron has:
2x more championships
3x more Finals MVPs
6x more all-NBA 1st team(kinda silly teams can only have 1 center, otherwise Wilt and Russell would have been 1st team each year)
7x more all-star
And Wilt chasing records and then coming up short in the playoffs isn’t super impressive, especially when he played in the fastest era of all time, especially 1962. There was also one year Wilt refused to practice before noon. Lebron has nothing like that.
Also, Lebron’s legacy is a lot better than Wilt’s. Lebron has:
2x more championships
3x more Finals MVPs
6x more all-NBA 1st team(kinda silly teams can only have 1 center, otherwise Wilt and Russell would have been 1st team each year)
7x more all-star
And Wilt chasing records and then coming up short in the playoffs isn’t super impressive, especially when he played in the fastest era of all time, especially 1962. There was also one year Wilt refused to practice before noon. Lebron has nothing like that.
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KembaWalker wrote:hauntedcomputer wrote:Certainly there will be a more rational and less emotional examination of his career once he's "forgotten." He'll probably still be scoring champ in 30 years most likely--but people will claim it's a byproduct of the inflated offense of his era, the three-ball and emasculation of the defense and that he was doing it against day traders and G-Leaguers.
LeBron played in an era where his team got 15 more free throws a game than their opponents, whom were simultaneously taking their own under props on PrizePicks
The bulls went to the line 160 times in a 4 game series. Things happen.
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Your argument that Lebron won't be top 10 in 30 years because Wilt isn't? What?! 1) Wilt didn't play 30 years ago, he played 50 years ago. 2) Wilt IS on almost all top 10 lists.
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Hair Jordan wrote: Wilt was on most everyone’s top 10 list but over the last ten years he’s dropped off of most top 10 lists.
this is not true though.
Lebron will be considered top 3 by most people for a long time.
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EmpireFalls wrote:Who are the 10 who will be above him, OP?
Who can say? 30 years ago, Lebron, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe etc weren’t on anyone’s top 10 list.