NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How can I explain plausible realistic scenario around a hypothetical? We have LeBron team hopping multiple times and doing the same tactic in 2 instances, why would Jordan be less successful employing the same tactic?
Because for starters, that's not how this works. You can't just apply the "it worked for one player, why wouldn't it work for the other" argument and expect that to fly. That's a lazy and contrived narrative that can be picked apart with even the slightest amount of thought being put into it.
LeBron and Jordan have drastically different playstyles. LeBron controls the offense a lot more, is more adaptable and can impact the game in more ways. This is undeniable, regardless of which side of the fence you are on (note that this doesn't mean I'm calling LeBron the better player, I am simply stating a point in regards to this comparison). That in return allows LeBron to play within different systems. Jordan's not capable of doing that. His style of play would have a far more severe impact on his teammates than LeBron. People tend to forget that one of the key factors in Jordan thriving was having a coach who ran a system that was perfectly built for someone like him with teammates who fit him perfectly. LeBron never had this kind of fortune, in any of the situations he found himself in.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I just used the Bucks as an example, what if Jordan came back in 95 and joined the Magic, which would be similar to LeBron joining the Heat.
Again, if you even bothered giving ever so slight amount of thought into what you were saying, you wouldn't say something like this.
You're telling me that Jordan coming in and joining the Magic, who already had experience playing alongside each other, developed actual chemistry, and already had two star players, is similar to LeBron joining a team that practically had to start from scratch? LeBron wasn't the only one coming into the fray, Chris Bosh was also joining in on the matter. And I'm sorry, where is that second superstar that was already with Wade? Oh, he's not there? Okay, pretty bad start for your comparison. And what's this? Orlando doesn't have to fill out the rest of their roster with aged and in some cases way past their prime players who wouldn't get minutes on any other team? Well who are they getting? HORACE GRANT?! Well then in that case, this is absolutely nothing at all like LeBron joining the Magic (EDIT: Heat, I'm an idiot). It's more equivalent to Durant joining the Warriors if anything.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:What if in 89 after another playoffs flame out he had left and joined the Spurs, they were coming off a 21-61 season and were getting a rookie Robinson, would have been similar to LeBron joining Kyrie + all their lottery picks.
And once again, no it wouldn't. This one I shouldn't have to explain. If I do, I am seriously questioning where your head is at in this process.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Do you think Jordan and Robinson wouldn't have ran the decade?
Omg, I actually have to explain it.
Of course they would. But in what world is Kyrie Irving in ANYWAY comparable to David Robinson? You are talking about the guy who won an MVP award at one point for crying out loud. Irving on the other hand even at his best was never even in the conversation. David Robinson was an elite two way player who had a 70 point game once, on top of having a quadruple double, AND won DPOY at one point. Irving on the other hand, as gifted an offensive player as he is, was still at the end of the day a one dimensional player. In what way is Kyrie Irving comparable to David Robinson? You tell me. This is an incredibly silly comparison and you know it.
A more accurate one, if we're going on the flip side here (and by that I mean comparing to what Jordan/Robinson is) would be asking "what would happen if LeBron's Cavaliers got Dwight Howard in the draft after his rookie season". LeBron and Howard no doubt would run the decade. Hell, they'd probably have a dynasty comparable to Jordan's Bulls.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:There's many instances I can point to and just ask what if Jordan had played it like LeBron. You don't even need to use LeBron either, Dirk probably has 2-3 titles if he pushes for a trade or signs with lets say the Magic in 07, he had a ETO around that time. Does he not end up in a better situation being paired with Dwight? The main point is, nobody else has done what LeBron did, looking for the absolute best situation to come into and then have them make moves because they had recent lottery picks, I don't even need to bring up the Heat that much either, just going back to the Cavs and then the Lakers while employing the same method is enough. Trade for Love, trade for AD, make ancillary trades around that, title, rinse and repeat. If he were younger he'd do it again, probably the Rockets.
You seem to be missing the point I'm trying to make. No one is denying that LeBron tried to put himself in more favorable situations. You are implying that Jordan would have automatically found immediate success far greater than what LeBron had if he took the path LeBron did.
Ignoring the fact that Jordan never needed too because he, unlike LeBron, was actually given what he needed to succeed, Jordan cannot adapt in the same matter to other systems LeBron can. Call it whatever you want. Hell, you can point out that LeBron IS the system and you'd be 100% correct on that, but that just adds further credibility to the point that just because it worked for one guy, that doesn't mean it's going to work for the other. Ask Kevin Durant how well being on other superteams has worked out for him. It's not easy and more often than not, it doesn't work. LeBron succeeding at it twice has made people think it's a sure-fire way to success and it's not.
