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C3H6N6O6 wrote:Why can't you guys have the GOAT debates in the offseason?
There is a very interesting playoff race in the West both at top and bottom among teams that are actually talented. A bunch of great games coming up as well as interesting discussions about MVP, DPOY and All-NBA teams.
Focus on them.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He's not, imagine how many titles the other greats would have if they left teams every 4-5 years for other situations in which the team they're going to got several top 3 picks before they got there. What if Jordan had decided to join the Bucks in his return and told them to trade Baker & Robinson for Barkley or Reggie, of course they'd win and you could point to it as him going to a bad team. But, we all know deep down exactly what the play was there.
I think he underachieved in terms of winning titles, after he left the Cavs he went to situations in which the teams had tons of assets to move, he was like a cut throat CEO finding the best situation to go to and strip mine the company of assets before bailing with a golden parachute (titles).
Heej wrote:LeBron played plumbers in the East and won 8 straight. Jordan played plumbers in the 90s and the best he could do was win 6 out of 8
ChipotleWest wrote:There's too many GOAT arguments on realgm btw. They are pretty much pointless because no one changes their mind.
JustBuzzin wrote:ChipotleWest wrote:There's too many GOAT arguments on realgm btw. They are pretty much pointless because no one changes their mind.
I literally said I changed my mind on the GOAT a few years ago. I was team MJ. Longevity has won me over. Lebron still a top 10 player at 40 is cray cray. He's been elite for 2 decades. He's the GOAT.
ChipotleWest wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:ChipotleWest wrote:There's too many GOAT arguments on realgm btw. They are pretty much pointless because no one changes their mind.
I literally said I changed my mind on the GOAT a few years ago. I was team MJ. Longevity has won me over. Lebron still a top 10 player at 40 is cray cray. He's been elite for 2 decades. He's the GOAT.
You didn't change your mind because of RealGM you changed your mind because of his longevity, that's not the same thing as what I'm talking about don't be obtuse.
There was already a thread about Lebron's longevity even.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He's not, imagine how many titles the other greats would have if they left teams every 4-5 years for other situations in which the team they're going to got several top 3 picks before they got there. What if Jordan had decided to join the Bucks in his return and told them to trade Baker & Robinson for Barkley or Reggie, of course they'd win and you could point to it as him going to a bad team. But, we all know deep down exactly what the play was there.
I think he underachieved in terms of winning titles, after he left the Cavs he went to situations in which the teams had tons of assets to move, he was like a cut throat CEO finding the best situation to go to and strip mine the company of assets before bailing with a golden parachute (titles).
nikster wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He's not, imagine how many titles the other greats would have if they left teams every 4-5 years for other situations in which the team they're going to got several top 3 picks before they got there. What if Jordan had decided to join the Bucks in his return and told them to trade Baker & Robinson for Barkley or Reggie, of course they'd win and you could point to it as him going to a bad team. But, we all know deep down exactly what the play was there.
I think he underachieved in terms of winning titles, after he left the Cavs he went to situations in which the teams had tons of assets to move, he was like a cut throat CEO finding the best situation to go to and strip mine the company of assets before bailing with a golden parachute (titles).
Imagine how many titles other greats would have if them and their number 2 were locked into long term deals that paid them far below market value for most of their primes.
Based on what actually happened with his rosters I don't really see a case for Lebron underachieving outside of 2011.
The strip mining Cleveland argument is silly.they went to 4 straight finals and it only took 3 losing seasons for them to get a winning season with a good young core. Miami recovered just fine as well
JustBuzzin wrote:donato wrote:Lebron is a ring-chasing flopper on PEDS. If anything I’d remove him from top five consideration.
Bro so miserable he posted twice. How did you go from this is nonsense to full on hate mode.
Damkac wrote:Funny how Lebron's fans think his longevity and total points scored puts him above Jordan yet none of them has Kareem above Jordan.
ChipotleWest wrote:Heej wrote:LeBron played plumbers in the East and won 8 straight. Jordan played plumbers in the 90s and the best he could do was win 6 out of 8
6 of 8? He wasn't there a full season then almost a 2nd full season but he came back with 17 games remaining in the season. There's no 6 of 8 you obviously are too young to have watched that era. Also you're comparing winning the East to winning a championship why does Lebron have less rings in more years? Jordan did not play plumbers in the Finals.
Goomba3666 wrote:ChipotleWest wrote:Heej wrote:LeBron played plumbers in the East and won 8 straight. Jordan played plumbers in the 90s and the best he could do was win 6 out of 8
6 of 8? He wasn't there a full season then almost a 2nd full season but he came back with 17 games remaining in the season. There's no 6 of 8 you obviously are too young to have watched that era. Also you're comparing winning the East to winning a championship why does Lebron have less rings in more years? Jordan did not play plumbers in the Finals.
Most of his fans consider finals appearances as championships due to how how unlikely he was to win against a Western Conference team
