The All-NBA 3rd teams

[SpreeS]

Zion in +2.4 out +7.6
Banchero in -0.3 out +7.6
Brown in +8.2 out +15.9

[SpreeS]

Also why KD on 2nd team over Lebron?

[Young gun 6]

Curry v Booker

26/5/5 on 45/41/92 (61% TS) - 10 seed.
27/5/7 on 49/36/89 (61% TS) - 6 seed.

How is Curry a lock but Booker isn't?

I like how you say 6 seed and 10 seed like there's a big difference between them when actually it's only 3 wins. How about this:

Curry: 74 games played, 5.2 BPM, +5.1 EPM
Booker: 68 games played, 3.0 BPM, +4.7 EPM

I don't know if I'd say that Curry's a lock, but he definitely has a better case than Booker.

I like how you say it's only 3 win difference when their games played is actually 41-33 vs 41-27. 6 losses difference.

No mention of net rating +7 to +2 favouring Booker per 100 possessions
or Win Shares/48 .181 vs .142 favouring Booker
or PER 21.9 vs 20.6 favouring Booker
or PIE 14.2 v 14.0 favouring Booker
or On/Off 6.72 v -0.11 favouring Booker

Curry might have a case over Booker but it's absolutely not more than just nitpicking your favourite guy rather than an actual strong case. If anything, there's really nothing other than the 6 extra losses that Curry played in for minutes played that he has over Booker.

The biggest differences are the WS/48 and On/Off stats where Booker absolutely obliterates Curry.

[MrBigShot]

Steph
LeBron
Booker
PG
Sabonis

[zimpy27]

Seems like Hali, Curry, LeBron, Sabonis make the 3rd team..


5th is likely Gobert but Booker and Brown are coming

[rand]

Hali
Steph
LeBron
Sabonis
Gobert

[nomansland]

Sabonis, Haliburton, LeBron, Gobert, Brown

[durantbird]

Didn't vote Curry because he'd make 2nd Team. AFAIU, no positions so he can get in instead of Durant.

[Wolveswin]

1st: SGA, Luka, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic
2nd: Brunson, Ant, Kawhi, Durant, Davis

These guys are pretty much a lock for all-NBA team. Maybe they don't make these exact teams but they at least make one of the 3. For simplicity, who makes the 3rd All-NBA team?

I would have Sabonis over Davis for the 2nd team.

3rd:
Curry/Haliburton/LeBron/AD/Gobert

This. Full stop.

Also, I am ok with Davis not being all NBA at all. Why? James gets in a ceremonial and I am not sure Lakers need 2x players.

[zimpy27]

1st: SGA, Luka, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic
2nd: Brunson, Ant, Kawhi, Durant, Davis

These guys are pretty much a lock for all-NBA team. Maybe they don't make these exact teams but they at least make one of the 3. For simplicity, who makes the 3rd All-NBA team?

I would have Sabonis over Davis for the 2nd team.

3rd:
Curry/Haliburton/LeBron/AD/Gobert

This. Full stop.

Also, I am ok with Davis not being all NBA at all. Why? James gets in a ceremonial and I am not sure Lakers need 2x players.

Feels like people think All-NBA is about acknowledging teams that won games by giving their best player a spot and 2-3 spots if they had top records.

It's not about that. Best 15 players in the league based on the season they had is what it's a bout.

[Wolveswin]

I would have Sabonis over Davis for the 2nd team.

3rd:
Curry/Haliburton/LeBron/AD/Gobert

This. Full stop.

Also, I am ok with Davis not being all NBA at all. Why? James gets in a ceremonial and I am not sure Lakers need 2x players.

Feels like people think All-NBA is about acknowledging teams that won games by giving their best player a spot and 2-3 spots if they had top records.

It's not about that. Best 15 players in the league based on the season they had is what it's a bout.

Thanks captain obvious. But who are top 15? Point of this whole thread, right. And as this very thread proves, once you get into the 8-25ish top players, the variance is razor thin. So how does one weight who actually makes the top 15?

Stats? Very common tool. Many posters quoting stats in their arguments.
Win? Of course. 82 game marathon of a season, team success has to figure into who is top 15.
Politics? Of course. Ceremonial picks and legacy always make it into top 15.

After the no brainer top 5-8 players, it becomes a game of weighted subjectiveness of 57 flavors.

[zimpy27]

This. Full stop.

Also, I am ok with Davis not being all NBA at all. Why? James gets in a ceremonial and I am not sure Lakers need 2x players.

Feels like people think All-NBA is about acknowledging teams that won games by giving their best player a spot and 2-3 spots if they had top records.

It's not about that. Best 15 players in the league based on the season they had is what it's a bout.

Thanks captain obvious. But who are top 15? Point of this whole thread, right. And as this very thread proves, once you get into the 8-25ish top players, the variance is razor thin. So how does one weight who actually makes the top 15?

Stats? Very common tool. Many posters quoting stats in their arguments.
Win? Of course. 82 game marathon of a season, team success has to figure into who is top 15.
Politics? Of course. Ceremonial picks and legacy always make it into top 15.

After the no brainer top 5-8 players, it becomes a game of weighted subjectiveness of 57 flavors.

You said the player shouldn't get in because of team they play for. That's only reason I spelled it out. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.

Yes agree that it's a multifactorial decision

[Wolveswin]

Feels like people think All-NBA is about acknowledging teams that won games by giving their best player a spot and 2-3 spots if they had top records.

It's not about that. Best 15 players in the league based on the season they had is what it's a bout.

Thanks captain obvious. But who are top 15? Point of this whole thread, right. And as this very thread proves, once you get into the 8-25ish top players, the variance is razor thin. So how does one weight who actually makes the top 15?

Stats? Very common tool. Many posters quoting stats in their arguments.
Win? Of course. 82 game marathon of a season, team success has to figure into who is top 15.
Politics? Of course. Ceremonial picks and legacy always make it into top 15.

After the no brainer top 5-8 players, it becomes a game of weighted subjectiveness of 57 flavors.

You said the player shouldn't get in because of team they play for. That's only reason I spelled it out. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.

Yes agree that it's a multifactorial decision

The point is, not much difference why player X vs player Y between top 11-15 players and 16-20 players. Any variable can be used to tip the scale.

In this example, all stats created equal between say Davis vs Booker or Brown or Murray or Sabonis or ?, I think Lakers getting 2x isn’t needed. While “letting” another team with more wins (and player with exact same stat story as Davis) get an All NBA 3rd team election.

[facothomas22]

I think Stephen Curry is very much a lock at the very least 3rd team all NBA. I even say there's a good chance he will be apart of the 2nd team all NBA. Also I would be quite surprised if Sabonis does not get 2nd team all NBA. Here's my 3rd team all NBA predictions.

Devin Booker
Anthony Edwards
Lebron James
Paul George
Rudy Gobert

[dhsilv2]

1st: SGA, Luka, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic
2nd: Brunson, Ant, Kawhi, Durant, Davis

These guys are pretty much a lock for all-NBA team. Maybe they don't make these exact teams but they at least make one of the 3. For simplicity, who makes the 3rd All-NBA team?

Interesting, my list I just did has ANT out. It has not listed Maxey and Harden in. Just shows how good the league is today.

[dhsilv2]

Curry v Booker

26/5/5 on 45/41/92 (61% TS) - 10 seed.
27/5/7 on 49/36/89 (61% TS) - 6 seed.

How is Curry a lock but Booker isn't?

Curry's off ball game is his greatest strength. If they're even close the nod would by default go to Curry for anyone who's watched him over the years. Even this year his impact stats were way below their norm (and why I don't have him or booker for that matter as all nba). But Curry's impact stats are still stronger than Bookers.

[dhsilv2]

or PIE 14.2 v 14.0 favouring Booker

Holy crap...is NBA.com still publishing and using PIE? I thought that had died forever ago!