Luka most ppg in a season not including free throws since the merger

ChipotleWest · Post #1 » by **ChipotleWest** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:55 pm

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XtremeDunkz · Post #3 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:58 pm

The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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CIN-C-STAR · Post #4 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:59 pm

Damn.
Super impressive considering scoring isn't even considered his best skill (though it might be every bit as exceptional as his passing).

ChipotleWest · Post #5 » by **ChipotleWest** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:59 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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Which is why it's more impressive that he's scoring so much, since free throws are free and all. I don't see what's not to get about that.

Post #6 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:02 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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It isn't weird, it's a response to BS artists like Harden and Embiid.

Oscar9992 · Post #7 » by **Oscar9992** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:00 pm

tsherkin wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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It isn't weird, it's a response to BS artists like Harden and Embiid.

It translates well into the Playoffs... unlike FTs boosted stats.

Oscar9992 · Post #8 » by **Oscar9992** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:03 pm

Luka has the Highest PPG + APG + RPG since NBA merger!

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Post #9 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:05 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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It isn't weird, it's a response to BS artists like Harden and Embiid.

It translates well into the Playoffs... unlike FTs boosted stats.

Calling them "boosted stats" is useless, though. And many guys manage to maintain a good portion of their FTr in the playoffs, so it's not even an affected argument. Even playoff droppers like Robinson and Malone actually dropped off more in FG% than they did in draw rate. Harden is a .474 FTr guy in the playoffs; Embiid .558.

Nothing about the playoffs is causing the problem those guys face. FTAs are not the culprit either.

advent11 · Post #10 » by **advent11** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:20 pm

tsherkin wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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It isn't weird, it's a response to BS artists like Harden and Embiid.

Luka is a BS artist too.

Post #11 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:23 pm

advent11 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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It isn't weird, it's a response to BS artists like Harden and Embiid.

Luka is a BS artist too.

No, that's nonsensical BS. Luka is a .368 FTr dude who relies on jumpers and postups and conventional shooting in order to get his work done. He is adept at drawing fouls but he doesn't profile as that level of BS artist at all, that's just fabricated nonsense.

NyKnicks1714 · Post #12 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:58 pm

Kind of misleading. He has a pretty healthy free throw rate and this implies otherwise. Not on the level of Giannis or SGA or Embiid of course, but Luka's is good for 30th in the league and 3rd in the top 10 (4th if Embiid qualified).

ChipotleWest · Post #13 » by **ChipotleWest** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:14 pm

NyKnicks1714 wrote:Kind of misleading. He has a pretty healthy free throw rate and this implies otherwise. Not on the level of Giannis or SGA or Embiid of course, but Luka's is good for 30th in the league and 3rd in the top 10 (4th if Embiid qualified).

No, it actually has nothing to do with his free throw rate at all. These points are separate from free throws. This shows he scores better than anyone when it's not free throws instead of just adding the free throws and saying "this is how many points he scored". Like when Harden scored 36 ppg but made 10 free throws a game. Since this is the highest non-free throw ppg since the merger it is impressive. He scores 34 a game this season but only adds 6.8 ppg with free throws.

Post #14 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:17 pm

NyKnicks1714 wrote:Kind of misleading. He has a pretty healthy free throw rate and this implies otherwise. Not on the level of Giannis or SGA or Embiid of course, but Luka's is good for 30th in the league and 3rd in the top 10 (4th if Embiid qualified).

None of that is relevant, though, to what he is accomplishing independent of his FTAs, which is the point.

MrGoat · Post #15 » by **MrGoat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:21 pm

They also showed a graphic last game that he has the most points created per game counting points and assists in NBA history at 57+ per game this year to even top Harden's MVP season. First time I saw the graphic it went back to 1996 and I figured Wilt had enough assists in his 50 point season to top it but it turned out that even that didn't do it. (50.4 points and 2.4 all two pointer assists only goes to 55.2)

Maverick41 · Post #16 » by **Maverick41** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:39 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:The war against free throws is weird. Luka takes mostly jump shots.

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Luka averages the 3rd most drives per game in the NBA. Let's not act like he's just hanging around the perimeter all game.

*Note I didn't count Ja as he only played 9 games.

NyKnicks1714 · Post #17 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:46 pm

tsherkin wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:Kind of misleading. He has a pretty healthy free throw rate and this implies otherwise. Not on the level of Giannis or SGA or Embiid of course, but Luka's is good for 30th in the league and 3rd in the top 10 (4th if Embiid qualified).

None of that is relevant, though, to what he is accomplishing independent of his FTAs, which is the point.

He had one of the absolute best scoring seasons ever. I don't find his non-FT scoring average to be worthy of accolade independent of that. I don't see this is as a separate accomplishment worthy of a separate celebration. He's just a great scorer overall.

Percentage of points scored on field goals is a more interesting and useful stat to me. For example Kyrie's ability to score efficiently while taking so few free throws is far more noteworthy if we're just talking about this specific thing.

ChipotleWest · Post #18 » by **ChipotleWest** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:51 pm

NyKnicks1714 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:Kind of misleading. He has a pretty healthy free throw rate and this implies otherwise. Not on the level of Giannis or SGA or Embiid of course, but Luka's is good for 30th in the league and 3rd in the top 10 (4th if Embiid qualified).

None of that is relevant, though, to what he is accomplishing independent of his FTAs, which is the point.

He had one of the absolute best scoring seasons ever. I don't find his non-FT scoring average to be worthy of accolade independent of that. I don't see this is as a separate accomplishment worthy of a separate celebration. He's just a great scorer overall.

Percentage of points scored on field goals is a more interesting and useful stat to me. For example Kyrie's ability to score efficiently while taking so few free throws is far more noteworthy if we're just talking about this specific thing.

Kyrie is 49.7% to Luka's 48.7% with less shots. It's not some huge discrepancy. If Luka was shooting 42% from the field you might have a point.

But honestly I could tell from the first post you just came in here to complain. Plenty of people are impressed with it it doesn't matter really if you aren't sorry.

dhsilv2 · Post #19 » by **dhsilv2** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:53 pm

But what's his rebounders per game on Tuesdays after 5 cups of Gatorade?

gottamakeit · Post #20 » by **gottamakeit** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:00 pm

tsherkin wrote:
advent11 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
It isn't weird, it's a response to BS artists like Harden and Embiid.

Luka is a BS artist too.

No, that's nonsensical BS. Luka is a .368 FTr dude who relies on jumpers and postups and conventional shooting in order to get his work done. He is adept at drawing fouls but he doesn't profile as that level of BS artist at all, that's just fabricated nonsense.

I think the truth is in the middle. around once a game, Luka will bait the defender into jumping in the air early and drawing the foul by jumping into the defender. They type of play stick in your head, and that's why i think its somewhat appropriate to call Luka a FT artist even if he doesn't draw them at the highest rate