Is Gobert really the most overrated player this year?

[ForeverTFC]

That's waaaay too strong of a take.
He's a slight negative at most, he still can finish, he's active, he goes for the offensive rebound.

He is supet efficient and his scoring rate is pretty high. I get that does not mean much, because he is not a player who warrants real defensive attention, but he is still center who is great finisher, requires boxing out and his hands arent that bad.

Guy like Roy Hibbert was talked up as star by fools once, that guy was way worse offensively. Just compare Roy Hibbers touch around the rim to Goberts. I have said this when Hibbert was in his prime, we are so accustomed to great touch around the rim from centers at NBA level, its a gimmie, so we not only dont apreaciate guys who actually have good touch, but in Hibberts case, we didn't even notice when guy doesnt have that, we couldn't even perceive starting center couldn't have it...

God I hated Hibbert hype, dude is Edy Tavares who just got luckiest draw in the league. Honestly, Edy Tavares might actually be better.

Big thing is that Rudy Gobert is also arguably the best screener in the NBA (I would argue healthy Steven Adams is #1), which has an exceptional impact on the offense. I encourage people to watch Rudy Gobert when other players have successful drives, he is very consistently using his size to fully seal off potential help from coming.

Don't worry, Utah commentators and fans shoved Gobert's elite screen assists down our throat for years...

I was more so talking about his ability to score. One of the big issues in the playoffs was that teams could go small against the Jazz and Gobert couldn't punish them on the other end for it. For a guy as big and strong as he is, his offensive bag is just really really lacking.

[TheGOATRises007]

He is incredibly underrated by casuals and the media.

[ForeverTFC]

He is incredibly underrated by casuals and the media.

A soon to be 4x DPOY is underrated by the DPOY voters?

[TheGOATRises007]

He is incredibly underrated by casuals and the media.

A soon to be 4x DPOY is underrated by the DPOY voters?

Not the DPOY voters.

General media. People on ESPN or FS1, and even the guys on Inside the NBA. Everyone thinks ANT is their best player. It's easily Gobert. Gobert rarely gets any credit.

[EmpireFalls]

On realgm it’s gotta be Haliburton

They were calling him a better version of Steve Nash on here in December lol. A lot of so called experts were. We didn’t forget.

The only part of him that belongs in the same sentence with Nash is the defense.

You two are just jelly Hornets' fans who wish Ball was as good as Haliburton.

We just wish he was healthy and playing basketball, to be perfectly honest.

[shrink]

I just can't wait for a Wolves/Denver series and y'all think Jokic Is the best ... LOL ... Come back and book mark this why don't ya

You might not get to see a direct match up. MIN usually defends Jokic with Towns, who does a decent enough job (but nobody stops Jokic). This allows Gobert to guard Aaron Gordon and hang around the paint to help. Jokic would be a difficult match up for Gobert, but at least people watching the games have begun to stop repeating the myth that Rudy can’t defend in space.

[TwolvesFanRome]

He is incredibly underrated by casuals and the media.

Only a blind person (or someone who understands little about basketball on a technical level) cannot see how Gobert impacts a team.

[uraverage]

Overrated, no. Overpaid, yes.

[Slimjimzv]

I'd put Trae Young at the top of the list. No one seems to like playing with the guy, and (other than one impressive playoff run), his team always seems to underperform.

[docholliday99]

He is incredibly underrated by casuals and the media.

A soon to be 4x DPOY is underrated by the DPOY voters?

Not the DPOY voters.

General media. People on ESPN or FS1, and even the guys on Inside the NBA. Everyone thinks ANT is their best player. It's easily Gobert. Gobert rarely gets any credit.

I agree about the media. Ant's great but let's look at his developmental timeline, he took off after both Conley and Gobert arrived last season. Not taking anything away from Ant but it's certainly not a coincidence.

As for the OP, Gobert's kinda a d****, and players don't really like him. Same as all the other players listed that were "underrated by their peers".

NBA is such a popularity contest by peers and casuals, which influence what the clickbait media shows or talks about. I'm sure the invested fans and the ones that vote, can see players for what they are and bring - despite their personality....quirks

[D.Brasco]

He's French and doesn't have a particularly charming personality or playstyle, that is enough to turn off 90% of the NBA media and fans.

[Bergmaniac]

It's almost as all of us who were saying that Utah's perimeter defense sucked were correct a few years ago, and when you surround Gobert with guys who are decent at it that his impact is far greater.

The issue is that he's such a negative offensively, you have to put good offensive players around him to be a true contender. There's only so many 2-way stars in the league. He's finally getting to play with one.

That's waaaay too strong of a take.
He's a slight negative at most, he still can finish, he's active, he goes for the offensive rebound.

He is also a fantastic screener which is a really underrated and important skill for bigs.

[swyftdahoe]

It's only because these players way overvalue 'ability to get buckets'

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Respected Wolves broadcaster Jim Peterson brought up something that I didn’t know.

He said that most players that voted didn’t cast a vote for “most over-rated,” so small samples magnify the results.

84 votes, ~60% of the sample and 20% of the league voted. There is no small sample size here.

Well, only 84 players even voted for Most Over-rated, and to get 20%, that means 11 players voted for Gobert. 572 players had minutes in the 2023-24 NBA season, including two ways and the free agents.

I think Peterson is right, 11 vs 572 is a small sample.

[ForeverTFC]

Respected Wolves broadcaster Jim Peterson brought up something that I didn’t know.

He said that most players that voted didn’t cast a vote for “most over-rated,” so small samples magnify the results.

84 votes, ~60% of the sample and 20% of the league voted. There is no small sample size here.

Well, only 84 players even voted for Most Over-rated, and to get 20%, that means 11 players voted for Gobert. 572 players had minutes in the 2023-24 NBA season, including two ways and the free agents.

I think Peterson is right, 11 vs 572 is a small sample.

It’s 82/540 = 15%. That’s actually a decent sample.

[shrink]

84 votes, ~60% of the sample and 20% of the league voted. There is no small sample size here.

Well, only 84 players even voted for Most Over-rated, and to get 20%, that means 11 players voted for Gobert. 572 players had minutes in the 2023-24 NBA season, including two ways and the free agents.

I think Peterson is right, 11 vs 572 is a small sample.

It’s 82/540 = 15%. That’s actually a decent sample.

No, only 84 players voted for Most over-rated, and 82 did not vote for Gobert.

I don’t have The Athletic, but here’s the breakdown I saw:

Rudy Gobert 11
Jordan Poole 7
Trae Young 6
Dillon Brooks 4
James Harden 4
Bradley Beal 3
John Collins 3
Tyrese Haliburton 3
Julius Randle 3
Karl-Anthony Towns 3
Patrick Beverley 2
Anthony Davis 2
Domantas Sabonis 2
Bam Adebayo 1
Mikal Bridges 1
Jaylen Brown 1
Jimmy Butler 1
Alex Caruso 1
DeMar DeRozan 1
Luka Dončić 1
Joel Embiid 1
Evan Fournier 1
Draymond Green 1
Tyler Herro 1
Jaren Jackson Jr. 1
Keldon Johnson 1
Jaden McDaniels 1
Donovan Mitchell 1
Chris Paul 1
Ben Simmons 1
Devin Vassell 1
Grant Williams 1

Moreover, why are you switching 572 to 540?

[ForeverTFC]

Well, only 84 players even voted for Most Over-rated, and to get 20%, that means 11 players voted for Gobert. 572 players had minutes in the 2023-24 NBA season, including two ways and the free agents.

I think Peterson is right, 11 vs 572 is a small sample.

It’s 82/540 = 15%. That’s actually a decent sample.

No, only 84 players voted for Most over-rated, and 82 did not vote for Gobert.

I don’t have The Athletic, but here’s the breakdown I saw:

Rudy Gobert 11
Jordan Poole 7
Trae Young 6
Dillon Brooks 4
James Harden 4
Bradley Beal 3
John Collins 3
Tyrese Haliburton 3
Julius Randle 3
Karl-Anthony Towns 3
Patrick Beverley 2
Anthony Davis 2
Domantas Sabonis 2
Bam Adebayo 1
Mikal Bridges 1
Jaylen Brown 1
Jimmy Butler 1
Alex Caruso 1
DeMar DeRozan 1
Luka Dončić 1
Joel Embiid 1
Evan Fournier 1
Draymond Green 1
Tyler Herro 1
Jaren Jackson Jr. 1
Keldon Johnson 1
Jaden McDaniels 1
Donovan Mitchell 1
Chris Paul 1
Ben Simmons 1
Devin Vassell 1
Grant Williams 1

Moreover, why are you switching 572 to 540?

The sample is the players that voted, not the players that voted for Gobert. If your denominator is the population, the numerator is the sample that took the survey. There's 18 roster spots * 30 teams = 540 is your population at any given time. Players were asked at a point in time, not through the course of the season.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Overrated, no. Overpaid, yes.

he's not even overpaid, actually.
His contract looks more than fine now

[Ryoga Hibiki]

84 votes, ~60% of the sample and 20% of the league voted. There is no small sample size here.

Well, only 84 players even voted for Most Over-rated, and to get 20%, that means 11 players voted for Gobert. 572 players had minutes in the 2023-24 NBA season, including two ways and the free agents.

I think Peterson is right, 11 vs 572 is a small sample.

It’s 82/540 = 15%. That’s actually a decent sample.

you don't know hownthat sample was selected, you can't say that

[ForeverTFC]

Well, only 84 players even voted for Most Over-rated, and to get 20%, that means 11 players voted for Gobert. 572 players had minutes in the 2023-24 NBA season, including two ways and the free agents.

I think Peterson is right, 11 vs 572 is a small sample.

It’s 82/540 = 15%. That’s actually a decent sample.

you don't know hownthat sample was selected, you can't say that

It's a sample of current NBA players. 15% is pretty good and is going to do a pretty decent job capturing this population. I don't understand the pushback. Are you saying that this is just noise and players don't dislike Gobert? Because we don't need an anonymous poll to know players don't respect him. His OWN TEAMMATE said he doesn't strike any fear in him before they were on the same team.