He was absolutely part of the problem in Brooklyn, his leadership (nonexistent) was one of the biggest problems. He never held his buddy Kyrie accountableTor_Raps wrote:The Brooklyn one wasn't really his fault and the Phoenix one is tough... CP got hurt last year and Beal was absolutely pathetic this year.
He's never been a true leader in the same way Kawhi has never been a true leader. It doesn't mean that he isn't a killer on the court. Dude came off an Achilles injury looking much better than anyone thought he'd be. I don't really pin any of the failures on him.
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I been calling him the corniest softest **** in the NBA hands down for YEARS now... joined the team that beat him then followed Kyrie **** Irving to his next destination.... definition of a **** corn ball... could never be an alpha... he's the Charmin mascot n always has been (pun intended on has-been)
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Airmiess wrote:Marrrcuss wrote:Airmiess wrote:Stop being surprised by KD coming up short. GSW was a fool proof situation, hes not that guy.
Actually watching those GSW teams play showed he was the best payer BY FAR.
To casuals who don't understand the gravity that Curry and Klay were pulling in, there was countless times were KD had lone transition baskets simply because defenders elected to close out corner 3s... on fast breaks.
But believe what you want.
Facts. It was down right comical how the lane would open up to the rim while each defender stopped at the 3-point line.
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And this affects his impact on a basketball court how? We're judging KD as a player not as a GM.
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It's actually extremely difficult to win a championship. It takes a lot to build chemistry and culture for winning. Best odds chance is joining an existing championship team like Durant did with GSW.
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This ain't even a "superteam" btw. A superteam would be if they traded for Markanenn instead of Beal and then surround them with good pieces and an actual PG. Instead of having 2 SGs and a SF surrounded by ass
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And he also got 2 championships with a different super team. Sometimes it works. He's also much older now. If this was prime KD, the suns don't get swept.
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It's an absolute joy to watch. Hopefully he keeps failing.
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What is super about Bradley Beal taking up 50m in cap space to produce 18ppg?
What is super about being on a roster with zero role players, chemistry, or continuity?
They completely gutted their roster for a washed up has been in Beal, nothing super about that imo. It must ALL be the fault of the 36 year old post achillies tear veteran KD, who played 75 games, and put up 27/5/6.5 on 52/41/85 (62% TS). It is his fault because he joined Golden State and people didn't like that! Look no further at roster construction or anyone else, it's gotta be everyone's least favorite player's fault because he was part of the greatest team ever to play the game.
I'd say that about the Jazz, but no one ever even remembers the Jazz exist.
What is super about being on a roster with zero role players, chemistry, or continuity?
They completely gutted their roster for a washed up has been in Beal, nothing super about that imo. It must ALL be the fault of the 36 year old post achillies tear veteran KD, who played 75 games, and put up 27/5/6.5 on 52/41/85 (62% TS). It is his fault because he joined Golden State and people didn't like that! Look no further at roster construction or anyone else, it's gotta be everyone's least favorite player's fault because he was part of the greatest team ever to play the game.
Nate505 wrote:It's an absolute joy to watch. Hopefully he keeps failing.
I'd say that about the Jazz, but no one ever even remembers the Jazz exist.
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Airmiess wrote:Marrrcuss wrote:Airmiess wrote:Stop being surprised by KD coming up short. GSW was a fool proof situation, hes not that guy.
Actually watching those GSW teams play showed he was the best payer BY FAR.
To casuals who don't understand the gravity that Curry and Klay were pulling in, there was countless times were KD had lone transition baskets simply because defenders elected to close out corner 3s... on fast breaks.
But believe what you want.
The guy put up 28/4.6/8 on 51/41/90 (something that only 9 players in NBA history have done) while in OKC . How did he manage to put up this absolutely ELITE efficiency with the gravity of Thabo Sefolosha and Russell Westbrook around him?
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The Servant wrote:I'd say that about the Jazz, but no one ever even remembers the Jazz exist.
You just did!
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The Servant wrote:Airmiess wrote:Marrrcuss wrote:
Actually watching those GSW teams play showed he was the best payer BY FAR.
To casuals who don't understand the gravity that Curry and Klay were pulling in, there was countless times were KD had lone transition baskets simply because defenders elected to close out corner 3s... on fast breaks.
But believe what you want.
The guy put up 28/4.6/8 on 51/41/90 (something that only 9 players in NBA history have done) while in OKC . How did he manage to put up this absolutely ELITE efficiency with the gravity of Thabo Sefolosha and Russell Westbrook around him?
You are conflating arguments, nobody said he wasnt capable of putting up elite raw stats but the argument was that he was head and shoulders better than Curry on GSW.
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DarkXaero wrote:He was absolutely part of the problem in Brooklyn, his leadership (nonexistent) was one of the biggest problems. He never held his buddy Kyrie accountableTor_Raps wrote:The Brooklyn one wasn't really his fault and the Phoenix one is tough... CP got hurt last year and Beal was absolutely pathetic this year.
He's never been a true leader in the same way Kawhi has never been a true leader. It doesn't mean that he isn't a killer on the court. Dude came off an Achilles injury looking much better than anyone thought he'd be. I don't really pin any of the failures on him.
That's where I'm stating he just isn't that type of leader, similar to a Kawhi. Raptors won a ring with Lowry being our leader and Kawhi being by far our best player.
Just because you're the most talented player doesn't mean you're going to be a leader as well. That's why it's important for that team to also obtain a true leader in addition to a guy like KD.
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Durant joined a 73 win team that was a couple baskets away from being the B2B champs.....that's all the needs to be said about KD's "Hardest Road"
oh and that same team went on to win another championship AFTER KD left.....it's laughable stuff.
oh and that same team went on to win another championship AFTER KD left.....it's laughable stuff.
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Booker and Beal
Superteams, eh?
Superteams, eh?
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Nobody gives anybody a pass for injuries but I think they should take them into consideration and it applies here to both the Nets and KD having an achilles tear in 2020. Nobody is ever 100% after that injury again.
I believe the Nets at full strength with no injuries including Durant's 2020 injury would have been something. He was a shoe size too big or he beats the Bucks who went on to win the championship. He almost did that with Harden and Kyrie dealing with injuries that series.
And I'm not any sort of Durant fan, I just believe context matters.
I believe the Nets at full strength with no injuries including Durant's 2020 injury would have been something. He was a shoe size too big or he beats the Bucks who went on to win the championship. He almost did that with Harden and Kyrie dealing with injuries that series.
And I'm not any sort of Durant fan, I just believe context matters.
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Some people think he’s unquestionably a top 15 player all time.
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He is still a top 20 player of all time imo. He is definitely one of the greatest offensive players of all time. He has no weakness on that side of the court at all. That Bradley Beal trade was horrible. 150 mil next season between the Phoenix big 3. Somebodys gotta go and Beals trade value has never been lower in his career.
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While I'm no fan of Durant and haven't been since he went to GS there are fundamental problems with both those teams.
The trios in both spots were/are deeply flawed. In Brooklyn you still had 3 guys who need the ball in their hands to be effective, nobody in said trios does any dirty work and neither trio have any size outside of Durant, who isn't a big man despite his height.. when Miami and Boston put those "superteams" together there were guys who complimented each other.
It wasn't Durant's fault that Kyrie decided to play the pandemic the way he did, nor the fact that they all seemed constantly hurt. In Phoenix the cupboard was stripped so bare to get these guys that theyre running out the ghost of Eric Gordon and Bol Bol. None of those things are Kevin's fault.
That's not to say Kevin hasn't been a disappointment pretty much the last half decade, he has. But if we're gonna scorch KD for all this we need to include the idiotic roster construction and mentally unstable teammates in the equation.
The trios in both spots were/are deeply flawed. In Brooklyn you still had 3 guys who need the ball in their hands to be effective, nobody in said trios does any dirty work and neither trio have any size outside of Durant, who isn't a big man despite his height.. when Miami and Boston put those "superteams" together there were guys who complimented each other.
It wasn't Durant's fault that Kyrie decided to play the pandemic the way he did, nor the fact that they all seemed constantly hurt. In Phoenix the cupboard was stripped so bare to get these guys that theyre running out the ghost of Eric Gordon and Bol Bol. None of those things are Kevin's fault.
That's not to say Kevin hasn't been a disappointment pretty much the last half decade, he has. But if we're gonna scorch KD for all this we need to include the idiotic roster construction and mentally unstable teammates in the equation.
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Man people love to hate KD. I get that he's incredibly unlikeable but good grief. Swap him for Kobe on those Shaq teams and he's got 4-5 rings.