More accomplished career Dirk, KD or Oscar?
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More accomplished career Dirk, KD or Oscar?
In terms of accolades, whose accomplishments do you consider more impressive? Taking KD's career so far, how does he stack up?
Oscar Robertson:
NBA champion (1971)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1964)
12× NBA All-Star (1961–1972)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1961, 1964, 1969)
9× All-NBA First Team (1961–1969)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1971)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1961)
6× NBA assists leader (1961, 1962, 1964–1966, 1969)
NBA Lifetime Achievement Award (2018)
NBA anniversary team (35th, 50th, 75th)
No. 14 retired by Sacramento Kings
No. 1 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
2× Helms College Player of the Year (1959, 1960)
3× UPI College Player of the Year (1958–1960)
2× USBWA College Player of the Year (1959, 1960)
3× Sporting News College Player of the Year (1958–1960)
3× Consensus first-team All-American (1958–1960)
3× NCAA season scoring leader (1958–1960)
3× First-team All-MVC (1958–1960)
No. 12 retired by Cincinnati Bearcats
Mr. Basketball USA (1956)
Dirk Nowitzki:
NBA champion (2011)
NBA Finals MVP (2011)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2007)
14× NBA All-Star (2002–2012, 2014, 2015, 2019)
4× All-NBA First Team (2005–2007, 2009)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2002, 2003, 2008, 2010, 2011)
3× All-NBA Third Team (2001, 2004, 2012)
50–40–90 club (2007)
NBA Three-Point Contest champion (2006)
NBA Teammate of the Year (2017)
NBA 75th Anniversary Team
No. 41 retired by Dallas Mavericks
German Bundesliga MVP (1999)
German Bundesliga Top Scorer (1999)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2002)
FIBA EuroBasket MVP (2005)
FIBA EuroBasket Dream Team (2020)
6× Euroscar Player of the Year (2002–2006, 2011)
2× FIBA Europe Men's Player of the Year (2005, 2011)
11× All-Europeans First Team (2003–2011, 2013, 2014)
9× All-Europeans Power Forward of the Year (2005–2011, 2013, 2014)
Mister Europa Player of the Year (2005)
Silbernes Lorbeerblatt (2011)
German Sports Personality of the Year (2011)
Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award (2020)
No. 14 retired by Germany national team
Kevin Durant
2× NBA champion (2017, 2018)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2017, 2018)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2014)
14× NBA All-Star (2010–2019, 2021–2024)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2012, 2019)
6× All-NBA First Team (2010–2014, 2018)
4× All-NBA Second Team (2016, 2017, 2019, 2022)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2008)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2008)
4× NBA scoring champion (2010–2012, 2014)
2× 50–40–90 club (2013, 2023)
NBA 75th Anniversary Team
National college player of the year (2007)
Consensus first-team All-American (2007)
USBWA National Freshman of the Year (2007)
Big 12 Player of the Year (2007)
No. 35 retired by Texas Longhorns
3× USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2010, 2016, 2021)
McDonald's All-American Game MVP (2006)
First-team Parade All-American (2006)
Oscar Robertson:
NBA champion (1971)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1964)
12× NBA All-Star (1961–1972)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1961, 1964, 1969)
9× All-NBA First Team (1961–1969)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1971)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1961)
6× NBA assists leader (1961, 1962, 1964–1966, 1969)
NBA Lifetime Achievement Award (2018)
NBA anniversary team (35th, 50th, 75th)
No. 14 retired by Sacramento Kings
No. 1 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
2× Helms College Player of the Year (1959, 1960)
3× UPI College Player of the Year (1958–1960)
2× USBWA College Player of the Year (1959, 1960)
3× Sporting News College Player of the Year (1958–1960)
3× Consensus first-team All-American (1958–1960)
3× NCAA season scoring leader (1958–1960)
3× First-team All-MVC (1958–1960)
No. 12 retired by Cincinnati Bearcats
Mr. Basketball USA (1956)
Dirk Nowitzki:
NBA champion (2011)
NBA Finals MVP (2011)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2007)
14× NBA All-Star (2002–2012, 2014, 2015, 2019)
4× All-NBA First Team (2005–2007, 2009)
5× All-NBA Second Team (2002, 2003, 2008, 2010, 2011)
3× All-NBA Third Team (2001, 2004, 2012)
50–40–90 club (2007)
NBA Three-Point Contest champion (2006)
NBA Teammate of the Year (2017)
NBA 75th Anniversary Team
No. 41 retired by Dallas Mavericks
German Bundesliga MVP (1999)
German Bundesliga Top Scorer (1999)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2002)
FIBA EuroBasket MVP (2005)
FIBA EuroBasket Dream Team (2020)
6× Euroscar Player of the Year (2002–2006, 2011)
2× FIBA Europe Men's Player of the Year (2005, 2011)
11× All-Europeans First Team (2003–2011, 2013, 2014)
9× All-Europeans Power Forward of the Year (2005–2011, 2013, 2014)
Mister Europa Player of the Year (2005)
Silbernes Lorbeerblatt (2011)
German Sports Personality of the Year (2011)
Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award (2020)
No. 14 retired by Germany national team
Kevin Durant
2× NBA champion (2017, 2018)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2017, 2018)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2014)
14× NBA All-Star (2010–2019, 2021–2024)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2012, 2019)
6× All-NBA First Team (2010–2014, 2018)
4× All-NBA Second Team (2016, 2017, 2019, 2022)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2008)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2008)
4× NBA scoring champion (2010–2012, 2014)
2× 50–40–90 club (2013, 2023)
NBA 75th Anniversary Team
National college player of the year (2007)
Consensus first-team All-American (2007)
USBWA National Freshman of the Year (2007)
Big 12 Player of the Year (2007)
No. 35 retired by Texas Longhorns
3× USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2010, 2016, 2021)
McDonald's All-American Game MVP (2006)
First-team Parade All-American (2006)
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Dirk. KD could only dream of having a playoff run like 2011 Dirk.
Dirk also gets extra points for loyalty and not jumping from team to team trying to get a cheap title.
Dirk also gets extra points for loyalty and not jumping from team to team trying to get a cheap title.
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I never watched Oscar but I'd say Dirk>KD. One iconic ring is better than 2 boring rings.
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I never saw Oscar play, so I'm not going to comment on him.
Dirk vs. KD maybe it sounds bias because I'm a Mavs fan but I honestly think it's Dirk. I meant natural born talent it's Durant easily, but his inability to lead and just having a career the complete opposite of Dirk who won with the team who drafted him the team that drafted Durant he had a 3-1 lead on Golden State he comes up small and then he joins Golden State you've got to be kidding me. And that's the only way he has any rings. Two other super teams he's joined have failed. He's never happy always wanting to be on another team while Dirk never left his team. Dirk did it the right way, Durant did it the wrong way.
Dirk vs. KD maybe it sounds bias because I'm a Mavs fan but I honestly think it's Dirk. I meant natural born talent it's Durant easily, but his inability to lead and just having a career the complete opposite of Dirk who won with the team who drafted him the team that drafted Durant he had a 3-1 lead on Golden State he comes up small and then he joins Golden State you've got to be kidding me. And that's the only way he has any rings. Two other super teams he's joined have failed. He's never happy always wanting to be on another team while Dirk never left his team. Dirk did it the right way, Durant did it the wrong way.
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The Big O easily.
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I actually think it's a weird 3 way comparison, wasn't Oscar a point guard? While Dirk and KD were both PFs. It's like saying who was better Magic Johnson John Stockton or Shaq?
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Dirk led a mavs team in a stacked western conference to memorable seasons. 67 win seasons. 2 finals appearances and still the most memorable finals run I have witnessed with 2011. He didn’t join any forces or demand current stars in their prime. Just a solid well-rounded team
Defending champion lakers beat in 4 games
Thunder with Durant/Harden/Westbrook beat in 5
Superteam Heat beat in 6
Above all it was Great basketball to watch
Defending champion lakers beat in 4 games
Thunder with Durant/Harden/Westbrook beat in 5
Superteam Heat beat in 6
Above all it was Great basketball to watch
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Frank Dux wrote:Dirk. KD could only dream of having a playoff run like 2011 Dirk.
Dirk also gets extra points for loyalty and not jumping from team to team trying to get a cheap title.
This 100% Dirk all day
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More accomplished is fairly quantifiable and it seems like Oscars’s 9 All NBA 1st team selections would tip the scales in his favor.
I don’t know how to gauge Dirk’s European accomplishments but I think KD shades him by just a bit with the NBA stuff.
Dirk is my favorite of the group though.
I don’t know how to gauge Dirk’s European accomplishments but I think KD shades him by just a bit with the NBA stuff.
Dirk is my favorite of the group though.
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I don't really know what "accomplishments" means; but KD was the best player, with Dirk narrowly behind him. Oscar not even close.
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Oscar Robertson definitely had the worse teammates for the majority of his career. Who was his best teammate in Cincinnati?
I also think Oscar is ranked higher. ESPN had him ranked 9th all time for the top 75 team. I think he’s top 15.
I also think Oscar is ranked higher. ESPN had him ranked 9th all time for the top 75 team. I think he’s top 15.
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Kd has already surpassed both of them. Kd is in the top 11-13. Dirk(15 or 16). Oscar(13-15)
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Dirk beat the Heatles he gets my vote on that alone.
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Too close to call. I go Oscar>Dirk>Durant, but almost right next to each other on my all-time list. Oscar 15th, Dirk 17th, and KD 19th.
KD's career isn't done though so I think it's reasonable he catches them in terms of having an "accomplished career".
KD's career isn't done though so I think it's reasonable he catches them in terms of having an "accomplished career".
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Oscar because he had to play through an era where restaurants wouldn't serve him.
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EasternHeretic wrote:In terms of accolades, whose accomplishments do you consider more impressive? Taking KD's career so far, how does he stack up?
Oscar Robertson:
NBA champion (1971)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1964)
12× NBA All-Star (1961–1972)
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1961, 1964, 1969)
9× All-NBA First Team (1961–1969)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1971)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1961)
6× NBA assists leader (1961, 1962, 1964–1966, 1969)
NBA Lifetime Achievement Award (2018)
NBA anniversary team (35th, 50th, 75th)
No. 14 retired by Sacramento Kings
No. 1 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
2× Helms College Player of the Year (1959, 1960)
3× UPI College Player of the Year (1958–1960)
2× USBWA College Player of the Year (1959, 1960)
3× Sporting News College Player of the Year (1958–1960)
3× Consensus first-team All-American (1958–1960)
3× NCAA season scoring leader (1958–1960)
3× First-team All-MVC (1958–1960)
No. 12 retired by Cincinnati Bearcats
Mr. Basketball USA (1956)
Dirk Nowitzki:
NBA ,,,, ,,,, ,,,,the Year (2011)
Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award (2020)
No. 14 retired by Germany national team
Kevin Durant
2× NBA cham,,,, ,,,, ,,,,l-American (2006)
oscar was a builder, a bona fide original.
he made where there was NONE
you basically insulted him, if you ask me
and btw, you left out that oscar brought free agency to the nba
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Dirks Ring was one of the hardest one alltime with stacked teams in every series. This alone puts him over Durants two clown rings.
Durant should have grind it out in OKC. His biggest mistake
Durant should have grind it out in OKC. His biggest mistake
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I never watched Oscar, but Dirk > KD easily.
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I had no idea there was a 35th anniversary team lol.
But yea I'd say Oscar.
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But yea I'd say Oscar.
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Oscar Robertson.