Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated (NOW YOU CAN CHANGE VOTES)

[SelfishPlayer]

I believe that prime LeBron could win a championship with MPJ and Murray because at their core they are elite shooters. LeBron could probably win a championship with them today.

People act Jokic’s supporting cast is terrible. It’s actually one of the best in the league.

Keep saying no all star, but the West historically been loaded at the guard position

Wouldn't say its terrible, but there are easily 10+ supporting casts in the league that are better. They have no bench. Nobody else who has ever made an All-Star, All-NBA, or All-Defense team. The common retort is that Murray plays like an All-NBA level player in the playoffs but he's been absolutely horrific so far.

You can't hit game winners and be horrific. He's been inconsistent and hasn't played like a HOF player this postseason.

[KnixtapeH20]

shut up

[dhsilv2]

I believe that prime LeBron could win a championship with MPJ and Murray because at their core they are elite shooters. LeBron could probably win a championship with them today.

Prime Lebron couldn’t win against the Mavs team with Dwade and Bosh as his teammates. Two far better players than MPJ and Murray and Lebron is the second best player ever.

MPJ and Murray are elite shooters, Bosh and Wade are not...

Murray is a career 38% 3 point shooter who's known for how streaky he can be...And he's shooting 28.6% in these playoffs. And Wade was a great defender...

[dhsilv2]

People act Jokic’s supporting cast is terrible. It’s actually one of the best in the league.

Keep saying no all star, but the West historically been loaded at the guard position

Wouldn't say its terrible, but there are easily 10+ supporting casts in the league that are better. They have no bench. Nobody else who has ever made an All-Star, All-NBA, or All-Defense team. The common retort is that Murray plays like an All-NBA level player in the playoffs but he's been absolutely horrific so far.

You can't hit game winners and be horrific. He's been inconsistent and hasn't played like a HOF player this postseason.

Of course you can.

[Special_Puppy]

People act Jokic’s supporting cast is terrible. It’s actually one of the best in the league.

Keep saying no all star, but the West historically been loaded at the guard position

Wouldn't say its terrible, but there are easily 10+ supporting casts in the league that are better. They have no bench. Nobody else who has ever made an All-Star, All-NBA, or All-Defense team. The common retort is that Murray plays like an All-NBA level player in the playoffs but he's been absolutely horrific so far.

You can't hit game winners and be horrific. He's been inconsistent and hasn't played like a HOF player this postseason.

You can have two good 2 quarters and still be horrific. He's averaging 20.4 points on 44.6% True Shooting in the 2024 post-season. He's also been incredibly bad defensively

[ShootersShoot]

I believe that prime LeBron could win a championship with MPJ and Murray because at their core they are elite shooters. LeBron could probably win a championship with them today.

Prime Lebron couldn’t win against the Mavs team with Dwade and Bosh as his teammates. Two far better players than MPJ and Murray and Lebron is the second best player ever.

MPJ and Murray are elite shooters, Bosh and Wade are not...

Both Bosh and Wade are HOFers, and were essentially HOF talents before playing with Bron. MAYBE one of MPJ or Murray will make it, but there is a chance neither does.

[NCHeels2008]

Wouldn't say its terrible, but there are easily 10+ supporting casts in the league that are better. They have no bench. Nobody else who has ever made an All-Star, All-NBA, or All-Defense team. The common retort is that Murray plays like an All-NBA level player in the playoffs but he's been absolutely horrific so far.

You can't hit game winners and be horrific. He's been inconsistent and hasn't played like a HOF player this postseason.

You can have two good 2 quarters and still be horrific. He's averaging 20.4 points on 44.6% True Shooting in the 2024 post-season. He's also been incredibly bad defensively

OT: Are you special puppy from Twitter?

[Special_Puppy]

You can't hit game winners and be horrific. He's been inconsistent and hasn't played like a HOF player this postseason.

You can have two good 2 quarters and still be horrific. He's averaging 20.4 points on 44.6% True Shooting in the 2024 post-season. He's also been incredibly bad defensively

OT: Are you special puppy from Twitter?

Yup

[JasonStern]

Not the hot take the general board wants to hear, but what if it's not Jokic being bad, but Minnesota actually being good?

[Quattro]

Always makes me wonder why these guys don't at least wait till the series is over to make these stupid takes.

[CD_41]

100% agree, but social media will hate this take. Hold down the fort, because this is clear as day.

Are you okay with me screenshotting a PM conversation with a mod where he states you're begging him/them to make me take down a sig earlier this year where you admitted post-Finals he was the best player in the game? Or will you report me to PMs?

Ah once again talking without context, and not including everything else in the conversation. Dude, you have been outed so many times on this forum. Go back to making crappy reddit threads about Embiid where even fans on the Nuggets /r are telling you to gtfo.

You are the sadding thing on this forum.
But since your favorite player lost again in the first round, I can actually understand that you must take out your anger on his rival.
Are you not ashamed of your takes sometimes?

[NCHeels2008]

You can have two good 2 quarters and still be horrific. He's averaging 20.4 points on 44.6% True Shooting in the 2024 post-season. He's also been incredibly bad defensively

OT: Are you special puppy from Twitter?

Yup

omg small world lmao, ET invading my message boards

[mcmurphy]

I've been saying this since his first mvp. He's an incredible system player, but he lacks competitive fire and toughness to be an ATG player. His MVP as a 6 seed will be locked at as THE worst mvp season in history. It'll make the Rose and Nash wins seem unanimous.

Jokic is a guy that needs a superstar like Murray to make his game work. He can't take over without that second punch on the perimeter the way other ATGs could. Now that Murray has been exposed, so has Jokic. What's funny is that those really watching told you this year's ago when he only got the sixth seed without him.

To me he is the third best player in the NBA - Luka and Embiid are comfortably ahead of him. Last year he took advantage of an injured field, and a weakened conference in a transition year. He had Murray playing like a superstar and to his credit got it done. But his awards don't match his greatness and in a few years everyone will come around to what I'm saying here right now.

you're just lucky that And -1 doesn't exist

[sikma42]

I believe that prime LeBron could win a championship with MPJ and Murray because at their core they are elite shooters. LeBron could probably win a championship with them today.

People act Jokic’s supporting cast is terrible. It’s actually one of the best in the league.

Keep saying no all star, but the West historically been loaded at the guard position

Wouldn't say its terrible, but there are easily 10+ supporting casts in the league that are better. They have no bench. Nobody else who has ever made an All-Star, All-NBA, or All-Defense team. The common retort is that Murray plays like an All-NBA level player in the playoffs but he's been absolutely horrific so far.

Can you name the 10 better supporting casts?

off the top I have:

Boston
Minny
OKC


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[SelfishPlayer]

Prime Lebron couldn’t win against the Mavs team with Dwade and Bosh as his teammates. Two far better players than MPJ and Murray and Lebron is the second best player ever.

MPJ and Murray are elite shooters, Bosh and Wade are not...

Murray is a career 38% 3 point shooter who's known for how streaky he can be...And he's shooting 28.6% in these playoffs. And Wade was a great defender...

Murray is a 40% guy from 3 the past three seasons. MPJ?

[Beethoven]

Overrated?

Yes.

Can't wait for the Minnesota v Dallas/okc series.

[lakerz12]

It's a team game and I don't think any great big can win a championship without some elite play from the perimeter to set them up.

Could Shaq carry a team alone? No. No one can.

I don't think not being able to carry a team alone should be the measure of greatness.

LeBron had 0 championships until he teamed up with Wade/Bosh. And many here are calling him the Goat. So clearly, not having enough elite support from your teammates shouldn't disqualify you.

Lebron carried scrubs to the finals in his third year

You must mean his 4th year. 3rd year they got eliminated in the 2nd round.

4th year they got swept in the Finals by the Spurs.

Larry Hughes, Big Z, Drew Gooden were not "scrubs". But yeah LeBron probably did take some of the worst rosters to the Finals. Of course he never actually won a Championship without 1-2 other All Stars on the roster.

And the East was notoriously weak.

[MavsDirk41]

MPJ and Murray are elite shooters, Bosh and Wade are not...

Murray is a career 38% 3 point shooter who's known for how streaky he can be...And he's shooting 28.6% in these playoffs. And Wade was a great defender...

Murray is a 40% guy from 3 the past three seasons. MPJ?

- Murray and Porter are extremely streaky shooter
- Wade and Bosh were both better defensive players in comparison to Murray and Porter
- even though Murray and Porter are better 3 point shooters in comparison to Bosh and Wade, Bosh and Wade were much better two way players

[Roger Murdock]

People act Jokic’s supporting cast is terrible. It’s actually one of the best in the league.

Keep saying no all star, but the West historically been loaded at the guard position

Wouldn't say its terrible, but there are easily 10+ supporting casts in the league that are better. They have no bench. Nobody else who has ever made an All-Star, All-NBA, or All-Defense team. The common retort is that Murray plays like an All-NBA level player in the playoffs but he's been absolutely horrific so far.

Can you name the 10 better supporting casts?

off the top I have:

Boston
Minny
OKC


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Clippers - Kawhi
Cavs - Mitchell
Pacers - Haliburton
Suns - Durant
Pelicans - Zion
Bucks - Giannis
Grizzlies - Ja

[SelfishPlayer]

Murray is a career 38% 3 point shooter who's known for how streaky he can be...And he's shooting 28.6% in these playoffs. And Wade was a great defender...

Murray is a 40% guy from 3 the past three seasons. MPJ?

- Murray and Porter are extremely streaky shooter
- Wade and Bosh were both better defensive players in comparison to Murray and Porter
- even though Murray and Porter are better 3 point shooters in comparison to Bosh and Wade, Bosh and Wade were much better two way players

LeBron won with Kyrie and Kevin Love, he can certainly win a CHIP with Murray and MPJ especially when you look at how LeBron has performed in the playoffs WITHOUT HELP!