Andrew Wiggins vs. Giannis Antetokounmpo

Joseph17 · Post #1 » by **Joseph17** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 6:51 pm

I still can't understand why The Greek Freak wasn't the number 1 pick in such a weak draft class. What exactly makes Wiggins worthy of a number 1 pick and Giannis not even worthy of being a lottery pick? Both seem to have equal potential to me. Giannis might even have more potential than Wiggins because of his size in addition to his athleticism.

Colbinii · Post #2 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 6:54 pm

Giannis has quickly become the most overrated prospect in the NBA. He is extremely Raw, but has all of the measurables. A player as Raw as him will never round off a complete skill set and will be lucky to have one or two basketball skills that end up in the elite department outside of measurables/athleticism.

Joseph17 · Post #3 » by **Joseph17** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 7:20 pm

Colbinii wrote:Giannis has quickly become the most overrated prospect in the NBA. He is extremely Raw, but has all of the measurables. A player as Raw as him will never round off a complete skill set and will be lucky to have one or two basketball skills that end up in the elite department outside of measurables/athleticism.

And Wiggins isn't raw?

Colbinii · Post #4 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 7:25 pm

Joseph17 wrote:And Wiggins isn't raw?

Compared to Giannis? Not at all.

You are better off waiting until we actually see Wiggins in the NBA so you can get more accurate answers.

Nikos Beard · Post #5 » by **Nikos Beard** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 7:35 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Joseph17 wrote:And Wiggins isn't raw?

Compared to Giannis? Not at all.

You are better off waiting until we actually see Wiggins in the NBA so you can get more accurate answers.

Except that he actually still is. Giannis, despite being a bit turnover prone, has some semblance of good ball handling ability. He's also got legitimate point-forward vision. Wiggins is a thoroughly mediocre ball handler and hasn't shown much promise as a playmaker. Wiggins has the edge in terms of shooting, but he's very streaky, and Giannis himself is decent for his age.

There seems to be this weird misconception that Giannis has no discernible skill and is purely an athletic/physical specimen, which is just not true. Obviously you can look at Bucks box scores and form a negative perception of his game, but that's pretty off base. He was used terribly last season, same goes for him on the Greek National Team. But if you watched him in Summer League, it's pretty obvious that he's not as raw as you're claiming. Aside from his step back jumper, Wiggins hasn't shown a single thing to separate himself from Giannis skill-wise.

Johnlac1 · Post #6 » by **Johnlac1** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 8:10 pm

I don't want to knock Wiggins, he looks to have a bright future. But looking at both players, even if I am a Bucks fan, I'd have to say Giannis is a more mature, NBA ready player than Wiggins. Watching Giannis in the SL I had to keep pinching myself to make sure I wasn't imagining what I was seeing....a 19 yr old who reminded me of a longer, more athletic Magic Johnson.
Will Giannis ever rise to that level? Probably not. But he can be an extremely good player in this league. He looks to have improved at least one level from last season. He most certainly will be given more minutes and more usage this upcoming season. I would be very surprised if his stats don't double, and I can hardly wait.

Magic Giannison · Post #7 » by **Magic Giannison** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 8:40 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Joseph17 wrote:And Wiggins isn't raw?

Compared to Giannis? Not at all.

You are better off waiting until we actually see Wiggins in the NBA so you can get more accurate answers.

Im sorry but these kind of comments are made by people that havent seen Giannis play ball besides the highlights...

As for the why Giannis got drafted low, its simple.
besides the fact that he came from second division of Greek league Giannis said that he wanted to play in NBA straight away and he wouldn't go to either d league or Europe for " development" .
This reason alone probably scared a lot of teams and made him drop ( thankfully ) to the 15th pick.

In the 2014 pick, Giannis,Embiid and Parker are the top 3 that i would draft,and yes, over Wiggins for sure.

HornetJail · Post #8 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 8:41 pm

Not a knock on Giannis at all, but Wiggins is a crazy prospect, so much so that it isn't even close.

j-ragg · Post #9 » by **j-ragg** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 8:58 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:Watching Giannis in the SL I had to keep pinching myself to make sure I wasn't imagining what I was seeing....a 19 yr old who reminded me of a longer, more athletic Magic Johnson.
Will Giannis ever rise to that level? Probably not.

You mean he probably won't become the greatest player of all time?

:lol:

E-Balla · Post #10 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 9:39 pm

Both guys aren't that great but Wiggins is way ahead. Gianni's is the new Magic Randolph around here.

OnePostLegend · Post #11 » by **OnePostLegend** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 9:44 pm

Giannis isn't nearly the athlete Wiggins is. Giannis looks more athletic than he actually is.

skones · Post #12 » by **skones** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 9:52 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:Not a knock on Giannis at all, but Wiggins is a crazy prospect, so much so that it isn't even close.

Wiggins really isnt a crazy prospect.

Magic Giannison · Post #13 » by **Magic Giannison** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 10:10 pm

OnePostLegend wrote:Giannis isn't nearly the athlete Wiggins is. Giannis looks more athletic than he actually is.

Post #14 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 10:11 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:I don't want to knock Wiggins, he looks to have a bright future. But looking at both players, even if I am a Bucks fan, I'd have to say Giannis is a more mature, NBA ready player than Wiggins. Watching Giannis in the SL I had to keep pinching myself to make sure I wasn't imagining what I was seeing....a 19 yr old who reminded me of a longer, more athletic Magic Johnson.
Will Giannis ever rise to that level? Probably not. But he can be an extremely good player in this league. He looks to have improved at least one level from last season. He most certainly will be given more minutes and more usage this upcoming season. I would be very surprised if his stats don't double, and I can hardly wait.

This is getting out of hand...

I like the kid, too, but you realize you could've just said lamar odom instead of magic, right?

Post #15 » by **Quotatious** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 10:23 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:This is getting out of hand...

I like the kid, too, but you realize you could've just said lamar odom instead of magic, right?

I'd say a more athletic prime Kirilenko (with better ballhandling) is his ceiling (so likely a top 10 player, but still not a real superstar).

Magic Giannison · Post #16 » by **Magic Giannison** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 10:24 pm

Ohh and just fresh thing coming from today's game.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ROwuclbbOo[/youtube]
I would love to see Wigins the "more" athlete and better hand balling making the court in just two dribbles in more than one occasion.
Wiggings a bigger prospect, how can you even claim that when you talking about a guy that got instantly traded away ,havent shown anything yet on NBA to the guy that the team consider him nearly untradable and a franchise player ?

I agree the Giannis hype is getting out of hand sometimes but i see so many ignorant and clueless comments which makes wonder if they ever seen a game of Bucks last year.

Laimbeer · Post #17 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 10:27 pm

Rarely will you see a player get so much mileage from a nickname.

Nikos Beard · Post #18 » by **Nikos Beard** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 10:56 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:Not a knock on Giannis at all, but Wiggins is a crazy prospect, so much so that it isn't even close.

I'm trying not to be a jerk here..but you clearly have not watched Giannis and Wiggins this summer. It's been painfully obvious for months now, especially after Summer League, that Giannis has just as much potential as any of the great 2014 prospects except a 100% healthy Embiid, who is on a tier of his own.

I don't know when this "Giannis is just a raw physical specimen" idea will vanish, but it's getting out of hand, because he has skills that Wiggins clearly does not have and will need to work very hard to ever develop.

Post #19 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 11:17 pm

Magic Giannison wrote: Wiggings a bigger prospect, how can you even claim that when you talking about a guy that got instantly traded away ,havent shown anything yet on NBA to the guy that the team consider him nearly untradable and a franchise player ?

I agree the Giannis hype is getting out of hand sometimes but i see so many ignorant and clueless comments which makes wonder if they ever seen a game of Bucks last year.

C'mon... you're really going to attempt to knock wiggins for being traded for an all NBA player? It's simply illogical.

The combination of defensive fans and overall overrating of giannis does not bode well for him if he doesn't pan out.

We get it: he's nearly 7', has guard skills with court vision, he's an absurd athlete, and has a great attitude. That doesn't mean he's going to be a perennial all star. Wiggins has a great all around skill set for a wing, and he was the #1 pick for a reason. It isn't outlandish to call him the better prospect. That said, this thread would be more fair to him after he actually played a season in the NBA.

skones · Post #20 » by **skones** » Mon Sep 1, 2014 11:26 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote: Wiggings a bigger prospect, how can you even claim that when you talking about a guy that got instantly traded away ,havent shown anything yet on NBA to the guy that the team consider him nearly untradable and a franchise player ?

I agree the Giannis hype is getting out of hand sometimes but i see so many ignorant and clueless comments which makes wonder if they ever seen a game of Bucks last year.

C'mon... you're really going to attempt to knock wiggins for being traded for an all NBA player? It's simply illogical.

The combination of defensive fans and overall overrating of giannis does not bode well for him if he doesn't pan out.

We get it: he's nearly 7', has guard skills with court vision, he's an absurd athlete, and has a great attitude. That doesn't mean he's going to be a perennial all star. Wiggins has a great all around skill set for a wing, and he was the #1 pick for a reason. It isn't outlandish to call him the better prospect. That said, this thread would be more fair to him after he actually played a season in the NBA.

Have you actually watched Wiggins play? He doesnt have a great all around skill set at all. Giannis is probably the more skilled player of the two.

Who is the better prospect?