Prime Marbury vs. Prime Iverson

[mikhailjordan]

More efficient / better scorer: Marbury
Better playmaker: Marbury
Better individual defender: Marbury

[nashchill]

More efficient / better scorer: Marbury
Better playmaker: Marbury
Better individual defender: Marbury

Go in more depth.

[NYK 455]

More efficient / better scorer: Marbury
Better playmaker: Marbury
Better individual defender: Marbury

Eh, Steph was more efficient, but AI scored at a much higher volume, so I dunno about being a better scorer.

[AgEnT50]

More efficient / better scorer: Iverson
Better playmaker: Iverson
Better individual defender: Marbury

Fixed

[nashchill]

More efficient / better scorer: Iverson
Better playmaker: Iverson
Better individual defender: Marbury

Fixed

That's better.

[NYK 455]

More efficient / better scorer: Iverson
Better playmaker: Iverson
Better individual defender: Marbury

Fixed

Iverson was not a better playmaker.

[theDEATH]

More efficient / better scorer: Iverson
Better playmaker: Iverson
Better individual defender: Marbury

Fixed

Iverson was not a better playmaker.

5.5 APG as a SG is pretty impressive. They had a defensive PG to cover his woes so it wasn't even too bad on defense or anything.

[mikhailjordan]

By what metric was Iverson even on the same level of playmaking as Marbury? The myth of Allen Iverson continues to grow by the day... It's a shame they don't recognize skill anymore.

[youngcrev]

At no point in their careers was Marbury considered a better player. They are similar players, but Iverson was simply better, and by a decent margin.

[nbacardDOTnet]

This is a slap in the face to the Answer

NOT EVEN close

+1

[X-Factor]

Allen's accolades.

# NBA Rookie of the Year (1997)
# All-Star Rookie Game Most Valuable Player (1997)
# All Rookie First Team (1997)
# NBA Most Valuable Player (2001)
# 2x NBA All-Star Game MVP (2001, 2005)
# 3x All-NBA First Team Selection
# 3x All-NBA Second Team Selection
# 8x NBA All-Star

Better update your Acolades A.I. was an 11 Time All Star

[X-Factor]

As earlier posters said this is a slap in the face of Allen Iverson

Surely he was not the most efficient payer to every hold a basketball but because of his methods he was more effective than most during his time. The man gets such little credit for what he did during his prime because of what his career has come to now but people are being ridiculous if they don't recognize what the man accomplished at 6'0 and with the organization in which played for. Marbury was GREAT. But A.I. is a future HOFer, there no chance in hell of Step making the hall.

[X-Factor]

More efficient / better scorer: Marbury
Better playmaker: Marbury
Better individual defender: Marbury

thats your argument?

THAT is your argument.

OMG you stated three things in which you perceive Marbury to be better in and say well that's it he wins. OMG. There is a reason Allen Iverson lead a team to an NBA Finals, won an MVP and willed his team to at least one victory over the previously unbeaten (through the WC) Lakers.

You quoted 3 aspects of the game and said Marbury was better and use that as your reasoning as to why he was better. Sigh. Marbury a better scorer? Are you CRAZY!!! How much more effiecient is Marbury than Iverson really?

Lets break this down

Allen Iverson
PER 20.9 (which has fallen more than two points since he left Denver)
TS% .518
eFG% .452

Stephon Marbury
PER 18.7
TS% .528
eFG% .470

Now taking height and position into consideration (even though we all know A.I. was a chucker Marbury as well though but not as bad) A.I. would work out to actually be a more effeicent player than Marbury ever was.

I Mabury best season of 00-01 his PER was 22.7
Whilst is Iverson's best season of 05-06 his PER was 25.9 which other than CP3's 07-08-09 season is the highest ALL time of any player 6'3 or shorter. The next closet is Tiny Archibald's 72-73 season where he lead the league in points and assists but with a PER of 25.2. So what are you really trying to say that PRIME A.I. is less efficient?

If you say you'd pick Marbury over Iverson because he is a better shooter, better passer as a natural PG better rebounder whatever your criteria for picking Marbury over A.I. I could understand. But there is NO way in hell prime Marbury was a better player than Prime Allen Iverson. Thats just being ridiculous.

[pancakes3]

KB24/Shaq (Prime)

*kb8?

i realize that AI's major knock was his efficiency and i concede that. he was a chucker. however, i think most would agree that it's partially (mostly?) because on those teams he had ZERO help. in his entire philly career had exactly ONE 20 ppg teammate - Jerry Stackhouse and he shot even WORSE than AI (.406 vs .416). For their finals run, the #2 option was Aaron McKie who scored... 11.6 ppg, 14.6 in the playoffs. AND THAT WAS A 56 WIN TEAM!?

in the season with webber, and the fragmented 2 seasons with melo AI was able to shoot in the .45's which is reasonable for a decent pg/sg. i feel like those are truer reflections of Iverson's efficiency. if AI had Garnett, even Kenyon Martin or Marion to run with, we probably would have seen better efficiency out of AI.

Plus it wasn't like marbury was a paradigm of efficiency either. perennial 43% shooter, 2/3 of the FTA, .323 3p%'s... those are bad numbers. they just don't look as bad when compared with AI. the problem is that Marbury is doing these on limited shots and as the "setup man".

Those who knock Iverson's "playmaking"... AI was a darn good playmaker. he could run point, he could score, he can draw double-digit FTAs, etc. Anyone who can put up 30ppg AND 7apg even for just 1 season much less multiple seasons kicks the tar out of Marbury in any comparison.

this was probably too lengthy a response to a thread where it's essentially 10 votes for AI and only 2 naysayers but it really irks me when people hate on Iverson undeservedly.

[Die93]

Allen iverson is going to the hall of fame

Stephon marbury.....

[Eliowns]

erm Iverson.

[mikhailjordan]

Allen Iverson
PER 20.9 (which has fallen more than two points since he left Denver)
TS% .518
eFG% .452

Stephon Marbury
PER 18.7
TS% .528
eFG% .470

Now taking height and position into consideration (even though we all know A.I. was a chucker Marbury as well though but not as bad) A.I. would work out to actually be a more effeicent player than Marbury ever was.

And Marbury's PER takes into account his half season in NY and half season in BOS towards the end of his career.

Your argument about height also doesn't make any sense... I mean seriously "Durr if AI was talla he'd be betta!" well newsflash AI was not taller, his efficiency was what it was. Marbury was more efficient than Iverson, and the difference in scoring volume doesn't make up how detrimental AI was to the other players on his team / his team's offensive flow.

Those who knock Iverson's "playmaking"... AI was a darn good playmaker. he could run point, he could score, he can draw double-digit FTAs, etc. Anyone who can put up 30ppg AND 7apg even for just 1 season much less multiple seasons kicks the tar out of Marbury in any comparison.

Blah blah...

APG:
Marbury: 7.3
Iverson: 5.4

AST%:
Marbury: 36.1%
Iverson: 28.8%

USG%:
Marbury: 25.4%
Iverson: 31.8%

So Iverson SIGNIFICANTLY monopolized the ball more than Marbury yet he still couldn't reach Marbury's level of playmaking...

[Not Bias]

The OP is the biggest KG and AI hater in the world. This is clearly iverson.

[Vincent 666]

Iverson pretty clearly.

Iverson is being underrated on these boards.


I cant bellieve Im defending Iverson. I use to hate on that guy 24 7 in the early 2000s

[X-Factor]

And Marbury's PER takes into account his half season in NY and half season in BOS towards the end of his career.

Your argument about height also doesn't make any sense... I mean seriously "Durr if AI was talla he'd be betta!" well newsflash AI was not taller, his efficiency was what it was. Marbury was more efficient than Iverson, and the difference in scoring volume doesn't make up how detrimental AI was to the other players on his team / his team's offensive flow.

Are you clinically slow?? why did you ignore my single season post where i compared their best seasons cuz after all we are talking about PRIME as your title clearly states. You are so dense and your understanding of the game is minute to actually argue this case with those ridiculous points in which you brought up.

You have NO argument whatsoever here. Why not talk about what else I mentioned. Oh and smart ass his PER took a .4 % hit with those last 2 half a season's where as Iverson's took 2.2% hit. A whole two more than it already was so what the hell are you talking about 47 games. Iverson's was previously 23.1 whilst Marbury was previously 19.1. A.I.'s is whole 4 PER points more. While those last 47 games barely affected Marbury's career numbers.

The reason why the argument about height makes all the sense in the world is because Allen Iverson is a SG while Marbury as a PG. As an SG you are not expected to be 6'0 165. Playing night in night out against the opposing team's best wing defender and still leading the league in scoring on 4 separate occasions. You must be a complete ignoramus if you don't understand that a 6'0 score first SG is expected to have a lower career FG% than a 6'2 PG.

Marbury a better scorer?

Girl please, learn about some actual basketball and then get back to us.