Bargnani vs. Gallinari

Mel0Knicks9 · Post #106 » by **Mel0Knicks9** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:18 am

Gallo all day everyday

lobosloboslobos · Post #107 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:39 pm

Raps fan, Bargs fan, optimist. I think Bargs is going to kill it this year. But leaving aside my biased opinion, for those who were asking about his play this summer for the national team here are some nice highlights. His game has evolved a lot...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swc4KCg9V7s[/youtube]

clownparade · Post #108 » by **clownparade** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:25 am

i think both will easily be 25/10 players next season and continue to improve past that

chadrucf · Post #109 » by **chadrucf** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:20 am

clownparade wrote:i think both will easily be 25/10 players next season and continue to improve past that

So they will both easily do something that no one has done for years...?

Post #110 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:50 am

chadrucf wrote:
clownparade wrote:i think both will easily be 25/10 players next season and continue to improve past that

So they will both easily do something that no one has done for years...?

Easily

While ignoring the fact that Bargs is a terrible rebounder and would be closer to averaging 30PPG than he would at double digit rebounding.

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #111 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:28 pm

tsherkin wrote:
ad15vt wrote:The correct answer is bargs... and its not even close... he fills a harder position, hes a better defender, he can be the focal point of a teams offense. He's improving aspects of his game each year, while gallo hasn't improved on anything really.

The correct response here is

This is especially hysterical because he hasn't shown anything to indicate that he can be a focal scorer (some 75-80% of his offense is assisted annually), he's among the worst rebounders in the league for his position and he's got extremely limited defensive instincts. Not a great combination for a big.

He plays like a SF and while he's developing, he's really bad as a PF or C. He's much better suited to playing in Europe, where he can safely be a SF. If he does develop as an iso scorer, he'll be able to find a niche (at least on a good team) as a 3rd-option scorer, or 2nd if it's really tight and he improves a lot. But really? Given the choice, there are a LOT of forwards and centers to take over him, particularly given the nearly-null movement in his rebounding ability in the 4 years he's been in the league.

The question wasn't between bargs and other C's it was Bargnani and Gallo. And as for Bargs rebounds, in comparison to other POWER FORWARDS which is his natural position... He is an average defensive rebounder and a horrible offensive rebounder. All of which he did playing beside the best rebounding PF in the league last year... hmmmmm logic dictates he will improve his rebounding numbers for the 2010/2011 season.

His ability to stretch the floor from his respective position (with his extended range) shifts opposing teams defenses. This is a huge commodity since its a skill set not found in a lot of PF's or C's.

Not to mention he only played C for a year or two. Not all players work well when forced into playing a postion that isn't there natural position. "Gallo sure is a bad rebounding PF"... see what i mean. just because he plays some games at that position doesn't mean it's what he's best suited for.

but yeah give me the 7 foot PF who plays decent defense and great offense over a 3pt specialist anyday

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #112 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:28 pm

-Illmatic- wrote:Gallinari. Simply because I don't think you can win a championship with a soft center like Bargnani.

but you sure can with a SF who can only shoot threes with shotty defense... nice

gavran · Post #113 » by **gavran** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:53 pm

ad15vt wrote:
-Illmatic- wrote:Gallinari. Simply because I don't think you can win a championship with a soft center like Bargnani.

but you sure can with a SF who can only shoot threes with shotty defense... nice

You can't. Thankfully Gallo doesn't fit your description.

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #114 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:56 pm

Bottom line this comparison will be made painfully more clear once the season starts. Even people who think gallo is the better player should at least be admitting bargs will be putting up way better numbers than him. he's now the #1 scoring option on his team. a team that lost one of the leagues leading scorers and rebounders. Whom do you think will be getting the majority of them>? ed davis? get real.

And as for bargnani being a bad rebounder... i already stated that he is at the very least an average defensive rebounder he just sucks at offensive rebounds because he is never in position. Why was he never in position... because our old system had him camped out at the three to draw out the opposing big. Lets see how he does now that he will be closer to 15 feet from the net instead of behind the arc.

my prediction for bargs

20.7ppg / 7.6rpg / 1.5apg / 1.7bpg

my prediction for gallo is

17ppg / 5.2rpg / 1.9apg / 1stg / .5bpg

kamaze · Post #115 » by **kamaze** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:23 pm

Bargs has better stas but he's been in the league four years I'd take Gallo.

Post #116 » by **tsherkin** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:48 pm

ad15vt wrote:
The question wasn't between bargs and other C's it was Bargnani and Gallo. And as for Bargs rebounds, in comparison to other POWER FORWARDS which is his natural position... He is an average defensive rebounder and a horrible offensive rebounder. All of which he did playing beside the best rebounding PF in the league last year... hmmmmm logic dictates he will improve his rebounding numbers for the 2010/2011 season.

LOGIC dicatates the inclusion of qualitative analysis, which reveals that he's terrible about going TO the ball and has weak anticipation skills. This, combined with his pedestrian leaping ability, does not make for a very positive outlook on his rebounding. More to the point, he has been playing beside Bosh for a while now, and had his BEST rebounding season in Bosh's best season, which seems to indicate that Bosh's rebounding had no impact whatsoever on what Andrea was able to accomplish... which seems likely, given that the team as a whole was a crappy rebounding team and that there were plenty of boards available.

This is a huge commodity since its a skill set not found in a lot of PF's or C's.

To the extent that he displays it, that's true, but perimeter shooting ability is quite common among PFs. There are tons of guys who can stick it to 20 feet, which is more than sufficient. Right now, we're talking about a 7' Robert Horry with less clutch and less defense. That's not all that encouraging.

Meantime, average defensive rebounder compared to PFs, eh? Bargs ranked 39th out of 47 power forwards who played 1,000+ minutes last year in defensive rebounds per 36 minutes.

Did you want to try that again? He's a foul rebounder, not just on the offensive glass. I can forgive him the offensive glass because he spends his time on O, by design, mostly camped behind the arc. That improved a little this past season and, wouldn't you know it, he rebounded a little better on the offensive glass. It's his spectacularly bad defensive rebounding that's the problem. See, Bargs managed 5.0 DREB36 last year. That's 0.1 DRB36 worse than last year, and about 0.5, 0.6 better than his first two seasons, when he was actually playing the PF position instead of the 5.

So no, it's ABSOLUTELY incorrect to say he's an average defensive rebounder relative to his position. For a guy playing 1,000+ minutes, the DREB36 median was 6.2, or some 24% better than what Bargnani managed. He was TERRIBLE, and it wasn't positional, and it wasn't Bosh. He's just a terrible defensive rebounder.

MSGBallerz · Post #117 » by **MSGBallerz** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:57 pm

Gallinari, easily.

method · Post #118 » by **method** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:59 pm

Luv those Knicks wrote:
ad15vt wrote:The correct answer is bargs... and its not even close... he fills a harder position, hes a better defender, he can be the focal point of a teams offense. He's improving aspects of his game each year, while gallo hasn't improved on anything really.

cough ones a #1 over pick cough

please get real

oh and for the record NY fans would pee there pants with a player like Bargs. he would easily score over 20ppg

Wat?

and you ask others to get real?

wow.

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #119 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:39 pm

I'm not shocked that NY fans think Gallo is better. Fans tend to overrate their own players. But if this debate must go on, I say wait until at least 10 games into the season and we shall see who produces more. I dare you to bring this thread up 10 games into the season.

joe.linnen · Post #120 » by **joe.linnen** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:27 am

Lionel Messi wrote:Build around? Neither.

the last time I checked the object of this game was to crush the other teams on your way to a title but if they changed it let me know

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #121 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:31 am

yeah this thread is def bookmarked. cant wait to bring it up when season starts

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #122 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:36 am

ad15vt wrote:yeah this thread is def bookmarked. cant wait to bring it up when season starts

Cool? Congrats? Can't wait until the season starts.

Kabookalu · Post #123 » by **Kabookalu** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:05 am

I'm MIA for a week and this thread is still going on, lulz.

lobosloboslobos wrote:Raps fan, Bargs fan, optimist. I think Bargs is going to kill it this year. But leaving aside my biased opinion, for those who were asking about his play this summer for the national team here are some nice highlights. His game has evolved a lot...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swc4KCg9V7s[/youtube]

His blocks, especially the ones near the end, are "center" like.

clownparade · Post #124 » by **clownparade** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:17 am

its impossible to tell who will be the better player when its all said and done, but the one thing we can all agree on is that both are superstars in the making and will both be in mvp contention in a few years.

Subway Token · Post #125 » by **Subway Token** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:07 am

ad15vt wrote:I'm not shocked that NY fans think Gallo is better. Fans tend to overrate their own players. But if this debate must go on, I say wait until at least 10 games into the season and we shall see who produces more. I dare you to bring this thread up 10 games into the season.

Bargs will be the first option on that team, while Gallo will be the 3rdish. Maybe 2nd.