2023-24 NBA Season Discussion

[LukaTheGOAT]

Will the Jokic is overrated conglomerate please come to the podium please? Some people here feel lied to and would like to ask a few questions.

[penbeast0]

Aaron Gordon is 9 for 9, KAT is 4 for 16, that's the difference though Ant, Murray, and Jokic are living up to their billing (and Gobert isn't).

[OhayoKD]

Will the Jokic is overrated conglomerate please come to the podium please? Some people here feel lied to and would like to ask a few questions.

This post would make alot more sense 10 minutes ago

[LukaTheGOAT]

Will the Jokic is overrated conglomerate please come to the podium please? Some people here feel lied to and would like to ask a few questions.

This post would make alot more sense 10 minutes ago

Wait another 10 minutes.

[bigboi]

Will the Jokic is overrated conglomerate please come to the podium please? Some people here feel lied to and would like to ask a few questions.

He is still overrated. KAT is garbage. Anthony Edwards has been the best player this series

[Heej]

Ant is outplaying Jokic this series so far somehow. Doesn't matter tho. Jokic has the best combo of supporting players and coaching staff in the league right now.

[GSP]

Rudy was great the 1st 5 playoff games trying to change the narrative and the basketball gods said "nah uh" youre a playoff dropping fraud and hes back to his usual playoff form since

Best Wolves looked this series by far was when he was out

[LukaTheGOAT]

Ant is outplaying Jokic this series so far somehow. Doesn't matter tho. Jokic has the best combo of supporting players and coaching staff in the league right now.

No that's actually Jayson Tatum in Boston.

Also, Jokic has to go up against the much better defense, so considering he is someone who generates so much of their value from offense, it makes a bit more sense how Edwards could be doing this.

[Heej]

Ant is outplaying Jokic this series so far somehow. Doesn't matter tho. Jokic has the best combo of supporting players and coaching staff in the league right now.

No that's actually Jayson Tatum in Boston.

That would be my other choice actually but I think the nuggets coaching staff is significantly better.

[Heej]

Ant is outplaying Jokic this series so far somehow. Doesn't matter tho. Jokic has the best combo of supporting players and coaching staff in the league right now.

No that's actually Jayson Tatum in Boston.

Also, Jokic has to go up against the much better defense, so considering he is someone who generates so much of their value from offense, it makes a bit more sense how Edwards could be doing this.

Edwards doing this to them is a direct consequence of what a -EV paint protector Jokic is for his position among other things tbh

[Statlanta]

Ant is outplaying Jokic this series so far somehow. Doesn't matter tho. Jokic has the best combo of supporting players and coaching staff in the league right now.

Is he though when you consider the matchups?

Naz Reid, Rudy Gobert and Karl-Anthony Towns with Jaden McDaniels helping off poor shooters sounds like hell vs. any defender Edwards is facing.

[OhayoKD]

Will the Jokic is overrated conglomerate please come to the podium please? Some people here feel lied to and would like to ask a few questions.

This post would make alot more sense 10 minutes ago

Wait another 10 minutes.

Yeah he deserves credit for those last few minutes. 35 points on 30 scoring possessions isn't great effeciemcy, but elite opposing defense, and some good playmaking/rebounding makes for a strong overall performance.


I also need to reconsider my life decisions ever contemplating rudy as a potential top 5 POYer and KAT as a star. Edwards was way too good for KAT and Rudy to disappear like this.

Ant is outplaying Jokic this series so far somehow. Doesn't matter tho. Jokic has the best combo of supporting players and coaching staff in the league right now.

Is he though when you consider the matchups?

Naz Reid, Rudy Gobert and Karl-Anthony Towns with Jaden McDaniels helping off poor shooters sounds like hell vs. any defender Edwards is facing.

The flipside here is

A. Edwards doesn't have a Jamal equivalent absorbing the toughest diet of shots on the team for him
B. Edwards does not have a Jamal equivalent, asbsording defensive attention as a primary ball-handler
C. Edwards is not being covered defensively like Jokic is(mostly successfully the last 2 games, very unsucessfully the first 2)

On the balance of the series, Edwards has been much better considering Jokic was a gigantic negative on defense for half of it. This is Jokic's first top-3-player-in-the-league level game all series and Edwards was still better

[eminence]

Wasn't around to comment on game 3.

Nobody on the Wolves showed up in that one, Gordon bringing it up more allowed Denver a lot more time in halfcourt. Murray showed up (still a bit bothered by that). Whistle was quicker than I would've liked, but not outside the realm of what a team should expect. Did bother me a bit that Minnesota picked up some techs for things Denver didn't in games 1/2 (that's an area I feel should be pretty darn consistent game to game).

Game 4 Ant was back, Rudy was alright (it wasn't a Rudy masterclass or anything). But the Wolves need KAT to be an efficient 2nd option to win games, and he didn't get it done. The Denver bench outperforming Minnesota's wasn't on my bingo card, but it happened.

Minnesota still has a shot, but gotta have Denver as the clear favorites again after games 3/4.

[Texas Chuck]

So despite all the talk, we are getting competitive series everywhere including somehow Jokic and Denver not rolling over and giving up. Won't stop more hot takes tomorrow where either Boston or Dallas are seen as the favorites or Boston is a fraud and Luka is fat and sucks or whatever.

I'm grateful for good basketball. Without predetermined results. I don't mind dominant teams. The Warriors/Lebron era had its place for sure. But personally I enjoy years when multiple teams feel like real serious contenders to end the year as champions.

I like that Minnesota put a scare into Denver. I like that Denver calmly went about their business and responded. Knicks/Pacers are playing wild games. OKC/Dallas look very evenly matched. Spida playing at a way where even Boston has to be on their game and can't just cakewalk in.

[LukaTheGOAT]

Ant is outplaying Jokic this series so far somehow. Doesn't matter tho. Jokic has the best combo of supporting players and coaching staff in the league right now.

No that's actually Jayson Tatum in Boston.

Also, Jokic has to go up against the much better defense, so considering he is someone who generates so much of their value from offense, it makes a bit more sense how Edwards could be doing this.

Edwards doing this to them is a direct consequence of what a -EV paint protector Jokic is for his position among other things tbh

That still doesn't disprove my point that Edwards has an easier matchup. Matchups will lead to impact fluctuating as statlanta spoke about. Not sure if I said it here or just other sports talks venues, but the Wolves are Jokic's worse matchup and thus I did expect his usual impact to be subdued. On the flipside, Edwards has no one on the perimeter who can check him and a weak rim-protector, so what he can do is amplified.

If Jokic gets passed the Wolves, it's free-sailing from here on out.

[Doctor MJ]

So despite all the talk, we are getting competitive series everywhere including somehow Jokic and Denver not rolling over and giving up. Won't stop more hot takes tomorrow where either Boston or Dallas are seen as the favorites or Boston is a fraud and Luka is fat and sucks or whatever.

I'm grateful for good basketball. Without predetermined results. I don't mind dominant teams. The Warriors/Lebron era had its place for sure. But personally I enjoy years when multiple teams feel like real serious contenders to end the year as champions.

I like that Minnesota put a scare into Denver. I like that Denver calmly went about their business and responded. Knicks/Pacers are playing wild games. OKC/Dallas look very evenly matched. Spida playing at a way where even Boston has to be on their game and can't just cakewalk in.

Preach!

[sp6r=underrated]

I like Thibs. And I think he's right that coaches overly restrict players' minutes. But today he showed he went goes too far in the opposite direction. The Pacers had a 20+ minute lead at the 14 minute mark in the game. And for most of the 2nd and 3rd Quarter it was 35+.

Still Brunson logged 30 minutes. That's nuts. He should have been glued to the bench at the start of the half and only brought back in if the knicks made a big push.

[Clyde Frazier]

It's not surprising the defending champs now find themselves going back home tied 2-2. It's just wild to me in general how some fans and media overreact after a single game. And that's in all sports with multi game series. Not specific to jokic and the nuggets.

[ronnymac2]

We really missed OG the past two games - especially today obviously. He's such a good connector piece. He's that SF/PF hybrid who shoots 3's, protects the defensive glass, and can defend a variety of different player types with relative effectiveness. OG gives you everything of that archetype PLUS he can put the ball on the floor and make a play. And the defense he plays is outstanding. Against such a quick-passing offensive team like IND, OG's brain and length are greatly missed. We need him back ASAP.

Did Charles Barkley compare Aaron Gordon to Travis Knight after the game? I was half listening, but I swear he made that comparison.

[OhayoKD]

Thibs strat of playing everyone till they die backfires. Who would have thought