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O_6 · Post #301 » by **O_6** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:37 pm

I was really hoping to make my pick today. Hopefully Narigo comes to a decision soon.

I've got my eye on one player in particular and I'm praying he doesn't get taken before my pick.

So far my favorite 1-2 punch is probably Payton/Duncan.

whitehops · Post #302 » by **whitehops** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:40 pm

I think it will be interesting to see what years people choose. will people pick a players best 3-year peak or will they pick three years where a player fits a niche?

MisterHibachi · Post #303 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:42 pm

Looking up Moses threads on RealGM. Damn, some strong opinions on him on this board. On one hand I feel he's severely underrated, on another I feel he's overrated. I'm gonna need to do some serious talking to make sure he becomes overrated in time for the playoffs if I don't wanna get swept :lol:

MisterHibachi · Post #304 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 8:46 pm

Got my eye on two forwards. I'll probably only get to take one, but getting both would be such a steal. Need to do some serious thinking on who I should take if both are on the board.

DHodgkins · Post #305 » by **DHodgkins** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:07 pm

- So it's 75% EACH of the three seasons? I wish it was 75% of total games because I can't use two of the forwards I wanted now, oh well.

whitehops · Post #306 » by **whitehops** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:16 pm

DHodgkins wrote:- So it's 75% EACH of the three seasons? I wish it was 75% of total games because I can't use two of the forwards I wanted now, oh well.

I was under the impression it was 75% total. otherwise I don't see why hibachi would have made a point to say they have to play at least 185 games for the three years (not including shortened years, obviously). if it were 75% of each season he would have just said they had to play at least 62 games for each season used.

O_6 · Post #307 » by **O_6** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:23 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:
john248 wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
It's 75 percent played over 3 years. So it'd be 161 games out of 214, if you're using the 99 lockout. Your guy is eligible, having played 183.

I was under the impression it was 75% of the games in each season which would avoid say.. 82, 82, 21 games played over 3 seasons; including 75% of shortened seasons.

A bit absurd to consider a 21 game season to count as something as a "peak" year.

Ahh confusion. I thought we all agreed to 75% over 3 seasons? I'll go back over the thread in a bit to check on that and see if there was any miscommunication.

Edit: You're right, I was confused.

From page 8:

MisterHibachi wrote:
Quotatious wrote:
I think your previous suggestion - 70% in each season would be better. It'd be 57 games in every season, or maybe 75% (62 games) one of the two for me, personally I like 62 games more. In lockout years, it be either 35 games with 70% mark or 38 games with 75% mark in 1998-99 and 46 games (70%) or 50 games (75%) in 2011-12.

Let's pick one of those a get it started on the first of January.

i'm down for this. 75% of games over 3 seasons is a reasonable criteria. That's 185 games out of a possible 246.

What Quotatious said in that^ is what we are using. 75% played each season. That's 62/82 in full seasons; 38/50 in '99; 50/66 in '12. So even with this, Quotatious' guy is good, I think it was Alonzo?

Posted earlier.

Notanoob · Post #308 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:23 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Got my eye on two forwards. I'll probably only get to take one, but getting both would be such a steal. Need to do some serious thinking on who I should take if both are on the board.

I'm curious as to who you have in mind. I picked Pierce where I did because I wasn't a fan of the forward options after him and couldn't stand to wait. I needed a shooter who was actually on some GOAT lists.

Of course, I'm really waiting for the run on PGs. That's got to be the most stacked remaining position.

MisterHibachi · Post #309 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:24 pm

I made a mistake in the draft thread. The criteria established in this thread was 75% each season. Because if its 75% over 3 seasons, a player could play 82, 82, then 21 the 3rd season. 21 games in a season isn't really anything worth including.

MisterHibachi · Post #310 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:24 pm

Notanoob wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Got my eye on two forwards. I'll probably only get to take one, but getting both would be such a steal. Need to do some serious thinking on who I should take if both are on the board.

I'm curious as to who you have in mind. I picked Pierce where I did because I wasn't a fan of the forward options after him and couldn't stand to wait. I needed a shooter who was actually on some GOAT lists.

Of course, I'm really waiting for the run on PGs. That's got to be the most stacked remaining position.

Oh, I would pick Pierce over either of them, so don't worry that you missed out on someone. But I think they are pretty comparable so I expect them both to go 3rd round, maybe early 4th.

Notanoob · Post #311 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:25 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Looking up Moses threads on RealGM. Damn, some strong opinions on him on this board. On one hand I feel he's severely underrated, on another I feel he's overrated. I'm gonna need to do some serious talking to make sure he becomes overrated in time for the playoffs if I don't wanna get swept

If you run into a strong offensive C, you're in trouble. But if you get matched up with Dekembe, or some other defensive C, you'll be fine. Depends on matchups for you.

MisterHibachi · Post #312 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:27 pm

Notanoob wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Looking up Moses threads on RealGM. Damn, some strong opinions on him on this board. On one hand I feel he's severely underrated, on another I feel he's overrated. I'm gonna need to do some serious talking to make sure he becomes overrated in time for the playoffs if I don't wanna get swept

If you run into a strong offensive C, you're in trouble. But if you get matched up with Dekembe, or some other defensive C, you'll be fine. Depends on matchups for you.

I don't think Moses was a terrible defender, I think he's average. But yeah, most centres drafted in the 1st round would score any which way on him.

whitehops · Post #313 » by **whitehops** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:32 pm

it is a very good thing that got cleared up, I was about to draft a player that was injury riddled (the 3 years I would have chosen he played exactly 185 games lol) but very good during that time. there is a 3 year stretch of that player but not nearly as good, maybe i'll get him later. I also can't use paul's 2010 season now

oh well, back to the drawing board.

RSCD3_ · Post #314 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:34 pm

DHodgkins wrote:- So it's 75% EACH of the three seasons? I wish it was 75% of total games because I can't use two of the forwards I wanted now, oh well.

Ik what forward you wanted, but dont worry this isnt it over, you might find something left at the end and win.

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MisterHibachi · Post #315 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:38 pm

whitehops wrote:it is a very good thing that got cleared up, I was about to draft a player that was injury riddled (the 3 years I would have chosen he played exactly 185 games lol) but very good during that time. there is a 3 year stretch of that player but not nearly as good, maybe i'll get him later. I also can't use paul's 2010 season now

oh well, back to the drawing board.

You're up.

batmana · Post #316 » by **batmana** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:39 pm

Probably a technicality (and I don't currently have any one player in particular, I'm just trying to clear things up), if a player played say 73% in a season instead of 75%, he should still count as long as it isn't too drastic, right?

whitehops · Post #317 » by **whitehops** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:40 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:
whitehops wrote:it is a very good thing that got cleared up, I was about to draft a player that was injury riddled (the 3 years I would have chosen he played exactly 185 games lol) but very good during that time. there is a 3 year stretch of that player but not nearly as good, maybe i'll get him later. I also can't use paul's 2010 season now

oh well, back to the drawing board.

You're up.

yeah I know. I gotta re-plan my strategy so i'll do that and draft when I get home from work, should make the pick in about an hour.

MisterHibachi · Post #318 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:43 pm

batmana wrote:Probably a technicality (and I don't currently have any one player in particular, I'm just trying to clear things up), if a player played say 73% in a season instead of 75%, he should still count as long as it isn't too drastic, right?

This can go to popular opinion. 2 games isn't too much of a difference. Do people have an opinion on this? If someone is bothered by it, if they themselves have passed on someone because they missed the criteria by 2-3 games, then we'll keep it strictly to 75% (62 games). But if no one has so far been influenced by it during the draft, we can stretch it to 60 games.

Notanoob · Post #319 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 10:03 pm

If the difference is only tiny like that, I wouldn't hold it against anyone. So long as it's very close, that should be fine. Round up generously, you know.

Post #320 » by **Quotatious** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 10:36 pm

Hbachi - Moses was a really good man defender, it was his very low impact on team defense that makes him an unimpressive defender compared to some of the greats already chosen in this draft at the center position. He had one very good defensive season though, coincidentally it was the 1982-83 season when he led the Sixers to a title. This was the only time in his career (well, other than 1976-77, but he wasn't in his prime yet then) that he had DRtg below 100 (97 in the regular season, 96 in the playoffs), and was deservedly named to the All-Defensive First Team that season. Watching some of the games from the '83 playoffs, I thought that he was really excellent defensively, unfortunately he didn't come close to that before or after that.

He was also a pretty mediocre passer (but so was my guy Zo :roll:

) but on the other hand, a fantastic scorer and rebounder, especially on the offensive end - he had seasons where he averaged over 7!!! offensive rebounds per game. That's incredible. Very athletic as well, that's a plus considering you paired him with Wade.

Oh, and a very interesting pick made by Narigo, I certainly didn't expect he would take Marques, I thought he would go with a certain bigman...