Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez

[mikhailjordan]

Help settle a debate, the Knicks fans I've talked to are adamant that Gallinari is a vastly superior player than Lopez and a significantly better building block than Brook Lopez.

I think Lopez is the better player, with more potential, and a brighter future.

Am I being a homer?

[ipoopinmypants]

No. No, you're not being a homer. You're being logical and reasonable (and sane).


inb4 this place gets wild (yes turtlesnjoi, I'm talking to you)

[AgEnT50]

Lopez....easily for me

[sdeezy]

Lopez. You just can't pass up a seven footer with his skills. He's been a lot more productive than Gallo in his 1st 2 yrs. I still think Gallinari will end up being an 18/5/3 guy but Brook has the potential to be really special imo

[prs]

Gallo is better and has more potential. Gallo is already better on both ends of the floor and has shown a very large skill set. He just needs to put it all together. He settled too much for 3 pters last year but a big part of it was not getting the ball from team mates. Which also didn't allow him to show his passing ability much either. People seem to forget that last year was basically his rookie year.

Brook on the other hand is barely if any better than his brother. People around here don't seem to watch Nets games though and think hes some kind of superstar in the making cause his pt avg is pretty high. He also didn't improve much over the year. I don't think will see that from Gallinari.

Lol at those people already here ofcourse because a knicks player is in the title.

How was Brook more productive? Hes had a lower TS in both years than Gallo and scored fewer pts in his first season than Gallo did last season which essentially was his first season.

[turtlesnjoi]

Gallo easily.

[mikhailjordan]

Gallo also has a bad back while Lopez has a clean bill of health prs...

[X-Factor]

This is not even worth of being a discussion. Brook Lopez is the far superior player. I am totally shocked that its even being debated. Lopez has the potential to be a top 3 C in the NBA (depending on who you ask he already is) while Gallinari is barely going to be in the lower half of the top 10 SFs IF he reaches his potential.

[Johnny Firpo]

Lopez is better right now, but i think his ceiling is pretty limited, and i do think that Gallo will be a better player in a year or two.

[510TWSS]

As of right now?

I'd take Brook Lopez. He's got size and skill at the Center position which is significantly more difficult to find than a jumpshooting tweener. Given that this past year was basically Gallo's first season, I'll give him a pass for now. He had a real good year, he'll be a player but it's still hard to project him going forward.

For now it's Lopez, but I'm leaving some wiggle room for Gallo if he rounds out his game more.

[X-Factor]

Gallo is better and has more potential. Gallo is already better on both ends of the floor and has shown a very large skill set. He just needs to put it all together. He settled too much for 3 pters last year but a big part of it was not getting the ball from team mates. Which also didn't allow him to show his passing ability much either. People seem to forget that last year was basically his rookie year.

Brook on the other hand is barely if any better than his brother. People around here don't seem to watch Nets games though and think hes some kind of superstar in the making cause his pt avg is pretty high. He also didn't improve much over the year. I don't think will see that from Gallinari.

Lol at those people already here ofcourse because a knicks player is in the title.

How was Brook more productive? Hes had a lower TS in both years than Gallo and scored fewer pts in his first season than Gallo did last season which essentially was his first season.

Do you even watch Brook Lopez?

Do you even have a clue what you are talking about?

Are you even worth debating with?

Ok lemme take you to school

you mention Gallo being better on both ends but you obviously don't take their DWS or OWS into account neither their DRTg, ORB%, DRB%, TRB%, AST%, AST+, BLK%, And1% and oh yeah clutch play.

You mention their TS% as the reason why Gallo is better. We all know Gallo is one of the better all round shooters in the NBA. So despite the fact that Lopez's is lower its still above league average at the position he plays.

You apparently don't take their PER into account.

Not to mention as a C Brook has softer hands, is a better passer and already prover to be a more reliable/consistent scorer.

You mention last season as basically being Gallo's rookie season because of how many games he missed in his rookie season but then go right ahead and say he's been better i both years. I really can't believe you are serious right now. Brook has outclassed Gallo in virtually EVERY aspect of basketball and you say Gallo is better and has more potential this is certainly laughable.

You say Brook is barely better than his brother, when you obviously have no understand whatsover that they play different roles and are two totally different players. As a C Brook is quick, has good post-up skills and back to basket moves, ability to hit 8-12 foot jumpers, steady free throw shooter, ability to go to the glass, rebounding and shooting, strong hands, good jumper, good upper body strength, and makes the good outlet passes.

And please don't even think to bring into your argument that he plays on the Nets and benefits from being on a bad team. Because the C position is arguably the hardest to pad your stats in the NBA, after all he does play against NBA calibre Cs every night who's sole purpose is to shut him down. Oh and I'm yet to mention his shot blocking ability. He certainly deserves a mention when discussing the more versatile Cs in the NBA, Gallo is just going to be mentioned as one of the better shooters.

Brook Lopez>>> Danilo Gallinari

[TheBigThree]

Lopez, easily. Gallo has yet to prove much of anything.

[prs]

Yes I actually watch the games, apparently unlike you. Since I live in NY I get both teams channels and watch the Nets quite often. Why are you even bothering to ramble about stats? It's just showing me that you're a typical clueless poster on this forum that looks up a players name on basket-reference and judges them completely by the numbers they see on the page.

I only mentioned TS% because of the typical idiotic argument that always shows up in threads about Gallo since his FG % is low. That and the poster above me saying Lopez has been more productive. Of course he was more productive in the first season but he wasn't in the second. Even in the first he wasn't as efficient.

"Ability to go to the glass, rebounding"

and you ask if I watch him play......

Hes not a very good rebounder at all and one of his biggest problems is that he doesn't take it to the glass often. He settles for jumpers. I only ever see the guy do decent on the glass on both ends when hes playing undersized centers.

Hes also not a better passer than Gallo, again watch games not stats.

"Because the C position is arguably the hardest to pad your stats in the NBA, after all he does play against NBA calibre Cs every night who's sole purpose is to shut him down."

lol have you ever seen David Lee play?

If this guy is the 3rd best center in the league and so versatile on offense then why were the Nets the worst offensive team in the league and 25th on defense? Oh ya I forgot about those imaginary "quadruple teams" that Lopez gets night in and night out.

[therealbig3]

The Nets are so bad, because other than Lopez, Harris, and T-Will (he emerged later on in the season), the Nets had crap players. Lopez was the only reason we did anything right. Harris was injured for part of the season, and he had his worst season when he was playing. So really, the only player that consistently played well from beginning to end for us was Lopez. Not going to have impressive team stats when the entire team is relying on a 2nd year player. Anyway, Gallinari is severely overrated...Lopez is MUCH better. At worst, he's the 7th best center in the league, behind Kaman, Yao, Bynum, M. Gasol, Howard, and Bogut. However, since Yao and Bynum are always injured, Lopez might actually be the 5th best center in the league. If he turns into the 20/10 guy he can easily become (he probably will this season), and he improves his defense, he could be the 2nd best center in the league behind Howard. Lopez is a potential franchise player, Gallinari is not.

[NYK 455]

Brook is better now, but I'd take Gallo for the future.

[X-Factor]

Yes I actually watch the games, apparently unlike you. Since I live in NY I get both teams channels and watch the Nets quite often. Why are you even bothering to ramble about stats? It's just showing me that you're a typical clueless poster on this forum that looks up a players name on basket-reference and judges them completely by the numbers they see on the page.

I only mentioned TS% because of the typical idiotic argument that always shows up in threads about Gallo since his FG % is low. That and the poster above me saying Lopez has been more productive. Of course he was more productive in the first season but he wasn't in the second. Even in the first he wasn't as efficient.

"Ability to go to the glass, rebounding"

and you ask if I watch him play......

Hes not a very good rebounder at all and one of his biggest problems is that he doesn't take it to the glass often. He settles for jumpers. I only ever see the guy do decent on the glass on both ends when hes playing undersized centers.

Hes also not a better passer than Gallo, again watch games not stats.

"Because the C position is arguably the hardest to pad your stats in the NBA, after all he does play against NBA calibre Cs every night who's sole purpose is to shut him down."

lol have you ever seen David Lee play?

If this guy is the 3rd best center in the league and so versatile on offense then why were the Nets the worst offensive team in the league and 25th on defense? Oh ya I forgot about those imaginary "quadruple teams" that Lopez gets night in and night out.

Exactly as I expected, not one shred of evidence only opinion.

Typical poster? You are the typical homer.

Have you seem me say anything about Brook Lopez being the 3 best C in the league. Did I say that?

You are so worthless its not even funny. I mean I couldn't contain myself from reading your posts.

Last I checked this was a TEAM game we are debating and no one above average defensive player is going to take his team (which was injury riddled, had no identity on either end, poorly coached young and underperformed) more than 5 spots higher (Dwight is probably the only single C in the league that could have possibly gotten that nets unit into the top 20) And what the hell are you talking about the Nets being the 25th worst team on defense last season? You must be thinking about your 27th place Knicks.

I mean this is absolutely ridiculous, you defend your TS% case by stating whats OBVIOUS and any immature poster would understand.

You live in NY and get them on both channels? Mmmmmm have you ever heard about league pass, atdhe.net, espn, nba tv, abc, tnt etc. I can go on trust me. Though I may not live in the US and get the chance to actually see them play in person I certainly have see my share of BOTH Knicks and Nets games and analyzed both teams. So don't even start on me with that.

You bring up David Lee. You apparently never actually paid attention to the offensive repertoire that David Lee featured last season. You apparently didn't pay attention to the player on your own team. According to almost every single Knick fan that I debated before Lee was traded you guys didn't run that high paced game anymore and David Lee's offensive game was legit. Now I hear a NY fan who is telling me the complete opposite when he's no longer a part of the team. Then by that reasoning we should say the same about Danilo. You know you have no point there and I am not even going to waste my time on that because its simply asinine to think like that.

I provided hard statistical evidence that he indeed was a good passer and had higher %s than Danilo. What I should have said however was relative to the position he plays. For a C he is great on the outlet pass and sees his teammates and read plays relatively well. And YES overall he has shown better passing abilities than Danilo.

Before I go any further wasting my time burying you I'd like you to further bury yourself and answer some of the points I made in my previous post and then maybe you can take a shot at this.

Point 1. You 1st said last season was practically Gallo's rookie year, then you say that he was better than Brook both seasons they have been in the league. What the hell kind of reasoning is that? You're telling me about stats and to watch some games when you try to base Gallo being better than Brook because his TS% was better in the less than 30 games he played in his rookie year.

Point 2. You said he was better on both ends of the court, I stated over 10 (there actually like 15 more) where Brook has a sizable lead over Gallo in but you ignore that call me out and say that I basically don't watch games. I would like you to explain how exactly could someone who is such a better player get killed in so many different categories. Since I don't watch the games

Point 3. You said Brook was barely better than his brother, I gave NO statistical evidence to support my claim I went solely by what I have witnessed. And right now that statement seems as ignorant as ever. Could you kindly explain that. That comparison IMO is as foolish as someone saying Gallo is barely better than Ryan Anderson.

Point 4. You chastise me on the fact that I said he plays the glass well, but ignored everything else I said about him. Why was that so?

My problem is that you say all you did about and have nothing to back it up but your opinion. When I back my points up with facts you bash me. Why is that so? I am not saying Gallo is not a quality player and not a major talent but saying he's better than Brook on BOTH ends by as much as you are and discrediting Brook so much is plain and simple foolish. Or better yet homerish.

[mikhailjordan]

Lopez always settles for jumpers?

Now that was a good one. I guess it explains why he was 6th in the league in dunks (ranking ahead of players like Lebron James and Dwyane Wade)...

[X-Factor]

Its seems as though overnight the Knicks homers swooped in and got Gallo up to speed because he suddenly got 5 votes with none of the voters giving a reason as to why they made their decision.

[Luv those Knicks]

A much better question, that was asked on the Knicks board, is "would you trade Gallo for Lopez"

The problem with making a Gallo comparison is that last year was essentially Gallo's rookie year. 2008-2009 he virtually didn't play and when he did play, he was in pain.

On Gallo's back, it seems fine. He had minor surgery and he said the pain was gone when he started playing again. He was healthy all last year.


So, Gallo is a bit of an unknown unless you watch his game and go from there. Lopez, we have a better idea of who he is.

Both guys are still young too. Lopez, 22 years, 6 months when this season starts, Gallo 22 years, 1 month.

It's a bad comparison to make. Different positions, and young players where both may have upside we haven't seen yet.


I think Gallo's a lot better than non Knick fans seem to realize. I don't know how good Lopez is cause I don't watch the nets.

[That Nicka]

ugh Knick fans... this must be a joke.


Lopez easily