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Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum

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Who do you take?

Danilo Gallinari
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35%
Nic Batum
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65%
 
Total votes : 55

Post#16 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:17 pm by LoyalKing

based on a 6-game sample?

Plz stop it.
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Post#17 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:46 pm by GreenRiddler

LoyalKing wrote:based on a 6-game sample?

Plz stop it.

How bout 8? Clearly better. only LBJ Melo ad Durant better and LBJ is a Pf. :lol:
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Post#18 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:48 pm by BlackIce

GreenRiddler wrote:
LoyalKing wrote:based on a 6-game sample?

Plz stop it.

How bout 8? Clearly better. only LBJ Melo ad Durant better and LBJ is a Pf. :lol:

Deng. 19/7/3 on 50% FG.
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Post#19 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:54 pm by Wizenheimer

the comparison started out between Gallo, already playing in a system under a coach that used him properly

versus Batum, who was playing in a coach's system that limited his options and did not use his skills

this season, Batum has been given more freedom and is being utilized as a primary option. The result is that he has been performing and producing at a higher level that Gallo. It was a close cal before. This season, even though the sample size is small, it sure looks like Batum is the better player
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Post#20 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:11 pm by Aeternus

Despite having apparently forgot how to shoot altogether, Gallo is still rebounding better (10.2 vs 9.3 TRB%) and passing just as well. He's also playing defense at the very least as good as Batum and their RAPM are not close at all: 1.56O 1.26D for Gallo and 0.76O -1.31D for Batum.

Also you can hardly say Gallo is being well utilized: he is 6'10, but always has to receive the ball at the three point line. What about some posting up or pick and roll with Lawson? He's supposedly one of the designated shooters for the Nuggets, but have you ever seen him get a screen to shoot out of? And who do you think has to shoot all the bailouts at the end of the clock? Also this season all the Nuggets offensive players have been playing badly, because the offense lacks a lot of spacing, and there's noone good enough to require double teams, taking heat away from the secondary options.

Used properly? Hah.
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Post#21 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:12 pm by DusterBuster

LOL @ people still trying to justify Gallo over Batum..... Whatever floats your boat guys.... :lol:

I particularly got a good laugh out of Aeternus dismissing the fact that Gallinari can't hit the broad side of a barn this year by talking about it like it's not a big deal.
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Post#22 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:40 pm by Aeternus

DusterBuster wrote:LOL @ people still trying to justify Gallo over Batum..... Whatever floats your boat guys.... :lol:

I particularly got a good laugh out of Aeternus dismissing the fact that Gallinari can't hit the broad side of a barn this year by talking about it like it's not a big deal.

I haven't said that. Gallo is shooting like thrash like now, but it not the first time he starts the season slow, and it hasn't even been 10 games yet, so ridiculous sample size anyway.
Batum has been playing better than Gallo this start of the season, I'm not denying that, I have just noted how he's not doing anything better than Gallo other than scoring. Unless you believe Gallo completely and irreparably lost his shot over the summer, there's no reason to believe he won't go back to his usual .58 TS, and then it will become pretty damn hard again to justify considering Batum better than Gallo, just like it was last season and every other one.
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Post#23 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:14 pm by DusterBuster

Whatever man. Believe whatever you want.

Personally, I find the whole Player Comparisons board to be pure pointless drivel. Everyone who posts here clearly has a biased agenda and will twist and stretch stats in any way they can to make their point. The PC board is basically like watching Chris Matthews and Bill O'Reilly endlessly yelling at each other about politics. No side is ever going to change the others opinion and they'll manipulate the truth to make their point. That's why I barely ever post in this section.
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Post#24 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:22 pm by Keshavarzi

^
Yeah let's just ignore the fact that Batum is playing way better than Gallo ever has at any point in his career. Previous seasons it has been very debatable and if you dispute that you're just a homer. Even if Gallo gets back to the way he was playing in previous seasons, he would still be on a lower tier than Batum who is arguably the third best sf in the league right now.
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Post#25 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:38 pm by moss_is_1

Keshavarzi wrote:^
Yeah let's just ignore the fact that Batum is playing way better than Gallo ever has at any point in his career. Previous seasons it has been very debatable and if you dispute that you're just a homer. Even if Gallo gets back to the way he was playing in previous seasons, he would still be on a lower tier than Batum who is arguably the third best sf in the league right now.

:lol: Batum the 3rd best SF?

Durant/LBJ
Melo/Deng
Iggy, Granger(even though he's hurt), Pierce, Kirilenko, Gallo, Gay all them along with Batum are on the same level. If Batum can keep up this play for the rest of the year then we can enter him into maybe top 5 discussions, but it's only been 9 games.
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Post#26 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:50 pm by Keshavarzi

Oh man you're hater and it's painfully obvious.

Let me get this straight. You're saying that if he keeps this up for the rest of the year we can MAYBE enter him into the DISCUSSION of top 5?

20/6/3 with 2+stl and 1+blk per game on 60%TS and he MAY be in the discussion for top 5 in your opinion...

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Post#27 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:50 pm by JDs_loot

Batum and it really isn't close.
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Post#28 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:32 pm by Dr Positivity

Batum just because I like him defensively more
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Post#29 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:33 am by GreenRiddler

moss_is_1 wrote:
Keshavarzi wrote:^
Yeah let's just ignore the fact that Batum is playing way better than Gallo ever has at any point in his career. Previous seasons it has been very debatable and if you dispute that you're just a homer. Even if Gallo gets back to the way he was playing in previous seasons, he would still be on a lower tier than Batum who is arguably the third best sf in the league right now.

:lol: Batum the 3rd best SF?

Durant/LBJ
Melo/Deng
Iggy, Granger(even though he's hurt), Pierce, Kirilenko, Gallo, Gay all them along with Batum are on the same level. If Batum can keep up this play for the rest of the year then we can enter him into maybe top 5 discussions, but it's only been 9 games.

moss is clearly butt hurt that Batum's contract was matched and now they have to deal with a washed up 31 yr old Linko who won't match the upwards trajection of their core like Batum would have #HomerActivated. Oh and Lillard's dougie is waaaay better. :naaa:
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Post#30 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:15 am by moss_is_1

Keshavarzi wrote:Oh man you're hater and it's painfully obvious.

Let me get this straight. You're saying that if he keeps this up for the rest of the year we can MAYBE enter him into the DISCUSSION of top 5?

20/6/3 with 2+stl and 1+blk per game on 60%TS and he MAY be in the discussion for top 5 in your opinion...

Not a hater at all, I like Batum a lot and glad that he's playing well since he's actually being utilized. I just think it's ridiculous for someone to say he's clearly top 3 when those guys have proven it year after year, while being #1 guys for a good portion of those players. Deng is averaging 18/7/3 while playing elite defense, Iggy is probably the best defender in the NBA who is averaging 14/7/4. Melo is averaging 24/8 while the Knicks are playing fantastic. Batum is finally playing like I hoped he would if he would of been a Timberwolf, and he's always been on of my favorite players.

GreenRiddler wrote:moss is clearly butt hurt that Batum's contract was matched and now they have to deal with a washed up 31 yr old Linko who won't match the upwards trajection of their core like Batum would have #HomerActivated. Oh and Lillard's dougie is waaaay better. :naaa:

:roll: That washed up Kirlenko is having a fantastic season. 14/8/3 1.4 steals and over 2 blocks while shooting 60% from the field, 53% from three....oh yeah, and anchoring our defense(6th in DRTG) from the SF spot.
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Post#31 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:24 am by moss_is_1

Just based on this season, Batum would probably be top 5. But that's with Granger being out, Gallo struggling, and Batum having an incredible start to the season.

LBJ - Durant - Melo are better, I don't think that's even up for debate.

I'd be hesitant to take him over guys like Deng, Iggy and Pierce because they've proven it year after year, not just in 10 games. Then guys like Gallo, AK47, Granger, and possibly Rudy Gay are players that I would put in the same tier as Batum. If he keeps this up I think he would clearly be the #4 SF. I love Batum and Gallo's games, I prefer Gallo's a little bit more as I think he has shown more of a willingness to attack consistently, that might have changed now with Batum however.
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Post#32 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:58 am by Young_Star11

Injuries have so far slowed Gallinari in Denver and he had one good half-season in New York.

Batum has always been a solid role player and is doing more to justify his contract this season.

Comparison was closer up until this year.
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Post#33 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:31 am by lukekarts

Well this topic surely has taken a turn from when I last looked at it.

Batum is in good form this season, but @GreenRiddler in particular, I think we're still looking at too short of a sample to bump Batum into the top 3 (!).

I don't think moss is biased at all, having seen plenty of his posts. I don't think Minny fans have cause for bitterness because the 'washed up' AK47 you refer to, won Euroleague MVP last year and is playing like a younger, more confident version of himself and playing fantastic defence this season. In the short term, they're better off with him. Plus there's a handful of guys like Deng, Iggy, Pierce, that are unquestionably more proven than Batum for that 3rd spot...
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Post#34 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:12 am by TottiGOAT

Batum easily


Gallo has always been overhyped and people judge him off his "potential"
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Post#35 Re: Danilo Gallinari or Nicolas Batum
Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:24 am by AdamTheGreek

Gallinari is the better player right this second, but Danilo isn't going to get any better and he's dealt with an abundance of injuries over the past few years. He's playing hurt now and I don't see him being fully healthy unless he's sidelined an extended period of time. Great overall player, but I think his body is failing him.

Meanwhile, Batum is still improving and I greatly value his athleticism to make big plays on each end more than Gallinari. It's all about Batum's mental aspect. There he's still fragile and needs the right coach and system to really maximize potential, where as Gallinari can play just about anywhere and still fit in well. I'm picking Batum though to answer the question because I like his future potential more.
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