Who was better last season, Kobe or Nash?

Post #1 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:12 pm

Nash:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hst01.html

key box score stats: 31.6 mpg, .532 fg%, .390 3p%, 10.7 apg, 12.5 ppg

key adv stats: .625 TS%, 20.3 PER, 19.6 USG%, ORtg 115, DRtg 110

team results: 33-33, 10th seed, missed playoffs

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Kobe:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nko01.html

key box score stats: 38.5 mpg, .430 fg%, .303 3p%, 4.6 apg, 27.9 ppg

key adv stats: .527 TS%, 21.9 PER, 35.7 USG% (led league), ORtg 105 , DRtg 106

team results: 41-25, 3rd seed. 2nd round exit

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offensively looks like its decidedly in Nash's favor but does Kobe's defense put him over the top?

Narigo · Post #2 » by **Narigo** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:15 pm

Nash for me. He almost led Gortat and a bunch of role players to the playoffs. He also anchored a top 10 offense with not alot of offensive talent.

Josephpaul · Post #3 » by **Josephpaul** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:20 pm

I'll go with Kobe , 10th seed is not close the playoffs . Kobe always put a string of 40 point games together as well.

Minge · Post #4 » by **Minge** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:35 pm

2012 All-NBA 1st Team

F: Kevin Durant (2nd in MVP Voting)
85 G 39.3 MPG 28.1 PPG _7.8 RPG _3.6 APG 1.4 SPG 1.2 BPG
F: LeBron James (MVP)
84 G 38.9 MPG 28.0 PPG _8.4 RPG _6.0 APG 1.9 SPG 0.8 BPG
C: Dwight Howard (7th in MVP Voting)
54 G 38.3 MPG 20.6 PPG 14.5 RPG _1.9 APG 1.5 SPG 2.1 BPG
G: Kobe Bryant (4th in MVP Voting)
70 G 38.7 MPG 28.2 PPG _5.3 RPG _4.5 APG 1.2 SPG 0.3 BPG
G: Chris Paul (3rd in MVP Voting)
71 G 36.7 MPG 19.5 PPG _3.8 RPG _8.9 APG 2.5 SPG 0.1 BPG

2012 All-NBA 2nd Team

F: Kevin Love (6th in MVP Voting)
55 G 39.0 MPG 26.0 PPG 13.4 RPG _2.0 APG 0.9 SPG 0.5 BPG
F: Blake Griffin
77 G 36.2 MPG 20.5 PPG 10.3 RPG _3.1 APG 1.0 SPG 0.8 BPG
C: Andrew Bynum
72 G 35.6 MPG 18.4 PPG 11.7 RPG _1.4 APG 0.4 SPG 2.1 BPG
G: Tony Parker (5th in MVP Voting)
74 G 32.8 MPG 18.6 PPG _3.0 RPG _7.5 APG 0.9 SPG 0.1 BPG
G: Russell Westbrook (T-12th in MVP Voting)
85 G 35.9 MPG 23.5 PPG _4.8 RPG _5.6 APG 1.7 SPG 0.3 BPG

2012 All-NBA 3rd Team

F: Carmelo Anthony
60 G 34.7 MPG 23.1 PPG _6.4 RPG _3.5 APG 1.2 SPG 0.4 BPG
F: Dirk Nowitzki (T-12th in MVP Voting)
66 G 33.8 MPG 22.0 PPG _6.7 RPG _2.2 APG 0.7 SPG 0.5 BPG
C: Tyson Chandler (DPOY)
67 G 33.2 MPG 10.9 PPG _9.8 RPG _0.9 APG 0.9 SPG 1.4 BPG
G: Rajon Rondo (8th in MVP Voting)
72 G 38.4 MPG 13.3 PPG _5.3 RPG 11.8 APG 1.9 SPG 0.1 BPG
G: Dwyane Wade (10th in MVP Voting)
71 G 35.2 MPG 22.4 PPG _4.9 RPG _4.5 APG 1.7 SPG 1.3 BPG

Note: Steve Nash (9th in MVP Voting) was an All-Star Reserve!

Post #5 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:36 pm

for the record, the suns at 33-33 were 3 games back of 7th seed Dallas (36-30).

Chet Wagner · Post #6 » by **Chet Wagner** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:38 pm

If Kobe played less minutes and had an actual back up I'm sure his stats would look more impressive. Even as they are I'd still take him since that team had a epically bad bench and someone had to take the extra and bail-out shots. I don't think having an inept coach and system is really means to take too much away from a player.

Ultimately I think Nash is getting some extra recognition just based on his name for last year. His shooting numbers were still very impressive but watching him it was obvious he had declined and truthfully I think someone like Calderon could give comparable production and yet no one would ever give him any recognition.

Josephpaul · Post #7 » by **Josephpaul** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:38 pm

Kobe with accolades and all had better overall year. If Nash had made the playoffs. I would certainly lean that way.The team didn't even finish 9th.

Expert-Sizzle · Post #8 » by **Expert-Sizzle** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:42 pm

Probably Nash.

He was a huge + for his team while Kobe was a cancer for most of the season and at the very end.
He had his impact fairly muted due to his ball dominance and inefficiency/inconsistency although some people will still drool over his box scores and claim he is a super-star still.

Both of them are defensive liability's at this point although Nash is probably worse.

Gikeo · Post #9 » by **Gikeo** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:45 pm

joke thread? nash isnt even better than the likes of rondo and parker. smh.

hes lead his team to the lottery 3 of the past 4 seasons.

if bryant did that hed be crucified...

Woodsanity · Post #10 » by **Woodsanity** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:46 pm

Minge wrote:It didn’t even take an entire offseason before Kobe was “revised” by RealGM. Bravo!

All-NBA First Team. All-Defense Second. Top 5 MVP Voting < Fringe All-Star Reserve?

Key box score stats? How about using common sense? Or is that asking too much?

Lifetime Achievement award number 1, Lifetime Achievement award number 2, and Lifetime Achievement Award Number 3 vs Fringe All Star Reserve. Pretty close.

Amare_1_Knicks · Post #11 » by **Amare_1_Knicks** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:47 pm

Ehh, Kobe. Nash was undeniably impressive last year nearly taking the Suns to the playoffs, but if he was better last year when both of their stats were a bit watered down, then he was better when they were both in their primes' too, and IMO that isn't the case.

Gikeo · Post #12 » by **Gikeo** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:52 pm

stockton 98: 63% TS/122 ORTG/.226 WS/48/20% USG

old stockton> 12 kobe.

Amare_1_Knicks · Post #13 » by **Amare_1_Knicks** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 10:56 pm

Gikeo wrote:stockton 98: 63% TS/122 ORTG/.226 WS/48/20% USG

old stockton> 12 kobe.

Honestly, do people make accounts on this site trying to seem ignorant?

Aeternus · Post #14 » by **Aeternus** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 11:00 pm

Gikeo wrote:joke thread? nash isnt even better than the likes of rondo and parker. smh.

hes lead his team to the lottery 3 of the past 4 seasons.

if bryant did that hed be crucified...

The lottery?!
Holy hyperbole Batman, the worse result Nash ever had in Phoenix is a barely below .500 40-42 season and you talk about lottery? Check the numbers before making up ****.

Gikeo · Post #15 » by **Gikeo** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 11:04 pm

couldn't even manage to get his team to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons. pretty pathetic.

is nash even a top 5 pg at this point?

deron
cp3
rondo
parker
westbrook

all better.

Post #16 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 11:12 pm

Gikeo wrote:couldn't even manage to get his team to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons. pretty pathetic.

is nash even a top 5 pg at this point?

deron
cp3
rondo
parker
westbrook

all better.

no one is comparing nash to other pg's, this is nash with kobe. please don't derail the topic.

kasino · Post #17 » by **kasino** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 11:15 pm

Kobe
better overall game that lead to more wins

Narigo · Post #18 » by **Narigo** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 11:23 pm

kasino wrote:Kobe
better overall game that lead to more wins

Kobe has the better supporting cast. Bynum and Gasol is better than anyone Nash has played with last season

Gikeo · Post #19 » by **Gikeo** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 11:30 pm

kobe
FAR,FAR better scorer
Far better defender
Much better rebounder
Much better ball-theif
Much better at getting to the line
Commands much more defensive attention
FAR better stamina. played 39 MPG last year compared to nash's 32.
4.7 APG is second to all non-PG's behind only lebron.

nash doesn't have a argument.

and the only reason kobe's 2012 TS% was only at league-average is because of the completely new coaching staff, new offensive system,no training camp, no other play-makers beside himself, and the terrible spacing caused by the combo of pau/bynum+ terrible 3-pt shooting. which is why he had a 56% TS when bynum or pau were off the court.

this isnt close at all.

kasino · Post #20 » by **kasino** » Mon Sep 3, 2012 11:32 pm

Narigo wrote:
kasino wrote:Kobe
better overall game that lead to more wins

Kobe has the better supporting cast. Bynum and Gasol is better than anyone Nash has played with last season

and?
Nash had 5-7 players better then Sessions
Kobe is more important to his teams defense then Nash is
scoring load is more then Nash as well

replace Nash with Kobe I'm confident they make the PS