Lowest reasonable ranking for Wilt?

colts18 · Post #1 » by **colts18** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:05 am

I've seen a lot of hate on this board for Wilt the past few years including 1 guy not including Wilt in his top 20. What's the lowest reasonable ranking you have for Wilt?

ceiling raiser · Post #2 » by **ceiling raiser** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:16 am

I don't do GOAT lists, but IMO Wilt is locked in at 3. Can't put him ahead of Jordan or Russell, but I don't think I'd consider drafting anyone else ahead of him other than those two.

Not Bias · Post #3 » by **Not Bias** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:24 am

Wilt and Kobe are the hardest guys to rank when it comes to realgm, but I honestly cannot see him out of the top 5, he was just way to dominant and did win.

FuShengTHEGreat · Post #4 » by **FuShengTHEGreat** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:25 am

Fifth best Center ever.

Mr MoJo Risin · Post #5 » by **Mr MoJo Risin** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:25 am

Wilt top 3 at least. His numbers are mind boggling.

PCProductions · Post #6 » by **PCProductions** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:29 am

I've been meaning to ask mysticbb/sideshow how they have him at 10. I usually trust their rankings and I'm curious as to how their systems slot him down there.

toodles23 · Post #7 » by **toodles23** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:49 am

Guys with an argument over Wilt:

Jordan
Russell
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Lebron
Bird
Kobe
KG
West
Oscar

So about 14th. Wilt's somebody who I used to think was unquestionably top 3, but this board changed my opinion a lot. Wilt's one of those guys who looks less and less impressive the deeper you look into his career.

nolunch · Post #8 » by **nolunch** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:54 am

Russel, Kareem, MJ, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Bird are all over him.

Hakeem and Lebron should over him too.

The Infamous1 · Post #9 » by **The Infamous1** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:03 am

FuShengTHEGreat wrote:Fifth best Center ever.

Behind whom?

Warspite · Post #10 » by **Warspite** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:13 am

On RealGM? ? About 20-25th.

Rasho_libre · Post #11 » by **Rasho_libre** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:14 am

In pure individual ability, he is up there with shaq and kaj as the greatest centre ever but I rank him lower because he only won 2 titles, only 1 actually as the Bonafide man on the team. So like Kobe lowest i can rank him is 11.

TheProfessor · Post #12 » by **TheProfessor** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:33 am

15thish

Dipper 13 · Post #13 » by **Dipper 13** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:12 am

Warspite wrote:On RealGM? ? About 20-25th.

This same thread was made last year.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1182541&p=31899876

The main things holding his reputation down in the last few years:

*The questionable ORTG and DRtg team estimates (which differ a great deal in some cases from Dean Oliver's estimates)

*His points per game and FG%/TS% raw playoff production. This has contributed to the idea of him being a poor playoff performer (one of the worst myths in sports history)

*The "Sports Guy" and his new book. Never mind the inaccuracies and lies, but when a sports blogger develops such a large cult following, they tend to automatically adopt his opinions as their own, with no second thought.

JordansBulls · Post #14 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:25 am

The Infamous1 wrote:
FuShengTHEGreat wrote:Fifth best Center ever.

Behind whom?

Wouldn't it be obvious what centers it could only be?

Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Hakeem

Mr MoJo Risin · Post #15 » by **Mr MoJo Risin** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:28 am

JordansBulls wrote:
The Infamous1 wrote:
FuShengTHEGreat wrote:Fifth best Center ever.

Behind whom?

Wouldn't it be obvious what centers it could only be?

Russell
Kareem
Shaq
Hakeem

I have Wilt only behind Kareem. Wilt is clearly better than the other 3

B_Creamy · Post #16 » by **B_Creamy** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:49 am

Mr MoJo Risin wrote:
I have Wilt only behind Kareem. Wilt is clearly better than the other 3

At what? Wrestling mountain lions?

RayBan-Sematra · Post #17 » by **RayBan-Sematra** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:32 am

Probably around 8-10.
Wilt's playoff career doesn't strike me as GOAT worthy.

I currently rank him at 8th behind Jordan, Kareem, Shaq, Russell, Magic, Duncan & Hakeem.

In his younger high scoring years his offensive efficiency was often poor in the playoffs despite the overall competition (sans Russell) not appearing to be anything overly special.
Plus his teams in many of those years either didn't make any noise, disappointed or got far but faltered at the end.

Obviously how valuable Wilt was in those years is based on the perspective a person holds.
Some people think he overachieved and some believe he disappointed when the pressure of the playoffs took hold and the best competition confronted him.

It really wasn't until his later years where he was able to take a smaller role offensively, focus more on rebounding & defense and not really have to handle the scoring load of a true offensive anchor where he saw the most team success and won his two Rings.

Still Wilt (like Russell) are two of the hardest players to judge.
The league back then was quite different to the league in future decades and the video we have of those times is quite limited.

I try my best not to hold any concrete opinions when it comes to players from back then because I don't want to unfairly put them down or prop them up.