Stephen Curry vs Steve Nash

[Doctor MJ]

Any post giving an "empty stats" argument can be usually dismissed outright.

So true.

[JimmyTD3]

That's why in terms of impact, prime Nash is way better than Curry.


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Considering we have yet to see prime curry i have no problem with that statement

[Kabookalu]

Idk why people are acting like its a given that Curry will even peak higher than Nash. Yes Nash wasnt this good at Curry's age but understand that Nash peaked at the unusual age of 31-32. Curry is the better scorer and always will be but Nash was miles ahead as a passer and always will be.

Yeah, peak Nash was one of the greatest point guards of all time. To think that Curry will eventually overtake him just through "expected" improvement, that's just silly. I'm not saying it's for sure but who knows if the past season was Curry's best? Nash's jump shouldn't be seen as anything normal, it was totally unexpected, so we shouldn't expect other guys to make the leap too.

[Basketballefan]

That's why in terms of impact, prime Nash is way better than Curry.


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Considering we have yet to see prime curry i have no problem with that statement

Since when is 25-26 not a player's prime? He may not be at his peak but last year was certainly a prime year.

[Darren_Errman]

I have yet to see any clear evidence presented by anybody in this thread that showed peak Nash (seasons 10th-12th) was "way better" than Curry's 4th season. Just a lot of hyperbole statements.

24/9/4 on 61% true shooting and 53 points attributed to his team /48 is MVP-type numbers. Prime Nash was never "way better" than that. Better? Sure you can make a case. Way better? Just stop. That's as silly as people saying peak Curry will be "way better" than peak Nash.

[Onus]

i'd be willing to do a sig beat with anyone that we haven't seen the best of Curry yet. If he ever gets to play with a stretch 4 for a sustained amount of time he'll be much better.

[Onus]

I'm not the arbiter of what does or doesn't constitute a stretch 4, and I haven't watched Draymond Green play, but Marion is not a stretch 4 - not a chance.

I think the most proficient stretch 4s in the league are, perhaps, Ryan Anderson and Channing Frye. Other players, like Dirk and LaMarcus are still stretch 4s in a sense, but they don't shoot threes as often or with the efficiency of the first two. Marion really only shot the corner three while in PHX - people used to leave him wide the hell open at the top of the arc - he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn - truly not "stretch" in any sense of the term.

In 04-05, 61% of Marion's threes were not from the corner, where he shot 34%. He shot 33% from the corner. True, he was not so accurate outside of the corners in 05-06 and 06-07. But keeping the defense honest when you're standing in the corner is important too.

Here's a list of the PFs in 04-05: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... der_by=fg3

You don't think it would've made a significant difference in terms of opening up the floor if instead of Marion at PF, he were playing with the average non-three point shooting PF? Say, Kenyon Martin?

I took this from a different forum but I thought I'd put this out here ...

There’s a lot more than just this to consider when constructing a team but the numbers are accurate: http://www.warriorsworld.net/2014/06/12 ... stretch-4/

By the numbers last season, the Warriors went 4-out with Stephen Curry 1184 minutes. This was 37.7% of Curry’s total minutes played between the regular season and playoffs. The Warriors didn’t have a traditional stretch 4 on the roster but were able to utilize Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes in the role. These lineups included everything from Bogut or Lee as the lone big, to 195 minutes with Speights as the only big. There was even 121 minutes of lineups with Draymond Green at C.

The results? Stephen Curry averaged 26.4 points per 36 minutes with 63.7 true shooting . Of high volume players, only Lebron James scored more efficiently (Kevin Durant’s TS was 63.5). Curry averaged 7.7 assists per 36 minutes, and 4.4 rebounds. 26/7/4 with second highest scoring efficiency in the NBA? Yeah I’d say that’s grounded for utilizing Stretch 4’s more often

This is a stark contrast to when Stephen Curry played with 2 big traditional men. In lineups with 2 traditional bigs, Curry averaged 21.5 points per 36 with a 59.0 TS%, 8.7 assists and 4.0 rebounds per 36. All-star level production, but not near his production is with Stretch 4s.

[avb30]

I think Curry has an all time great combination of shooting, court vision and handle. Of course there's player like Stockton and Nash who can compare but Curry is absolutely deadly off the dribble. On the other hand, Curry's vision can't compare to the other two.

Curry needs better shot selection and is a little too turnover prone. I think Stockton should be in this discussion as well since I think all 3 are very similar and many might take Stockton over Nash.

Just based on potential based on Curry's youth, vision and scoring ability along with great size for a PG at 6'3", I'd take Curry. Steve Kerr needs to tone Curry down in terms of shot selection and cutting down on turnovers.

People need to remember Curry is just 26 and doesn't rely on his athletic ability at all and he dominates the league. Stockton and Nash did a lot of damage after 35 and Curry should do the same.

[Onus]

Curry needs better shot selection

That's odd ... I actually think he should be getting up more shots. Hopefully adding Livingston can get Curry some more shots off the ball like Jack was able to.

[avb30]

Curry leads the league in shot attempts off the dribble. Curry should absolutely shoot more but he just needs to shoot more off the catch and off of drive and kicks like what the Spurs do. At this point we're just nitpicking though. He's a beast.

Shots off the dribble are the least efficient and most difficult. Curry shot 47% from the field last year and that number can be closer to 50%, which he showed he's capable of a couple times in his career.

Also he's too good a shooter to be a pure PG so it helps that Iguodala and Livingston can bring the ball up and are very good passers.

[Onus]

Curry leads the league in shot attempts off the dribble. Curry should absolutely shoot more but he just needs to shoot more off the catch and off of drive and kicks like what the Spurs do. At this point we're just nitpicking though. He's a beast.

Shots off the dribble are the least efficient and most difficult. Curry shot 47% from the field last year and that number can be closer to 50%, which he showed he's capable of a couple times in his career.

Also he's too good a shooter to be a pure PG so it helps that Iguodala and Livingston can bring the ball up and are very good passers.

We agree that he should get easier shots off the ball. I think the problem last year was that we didn't have a player that allowed Curry to do that. Iguodala was brought in to do that but he's not nearly aggressive enough when he has the ball at the top of the key and after he pulled his hamstring he played hampered. I think Livingston was brought in to do more of that so we don't rely solely on Iguodala and have a real pg that can do pg things to move Steph off the ball.

Steph shot 47% from the field but he played the majority of his minutes with the conventional 2 bigs that don't offer a lot of spacing and just makes offense smoother in general. I think playing with a more modern 4 out situation will increase Steph's efficiency just fine as that article I posted earlier alludes to. I'm not all that concerned with Steph being in the 50/40/90 club since he takes almost 8 3pa/g, which is a little less than half of his shots.

Selfishly at times i wish he had Kobe's scoring mentality instead of a pg mentality just so I could witness endless chucking by the greatest shooter ever, but that may just be me.

[sixerswillrule]

Yeah, among the top 25 scoring guards last season, Curry was 3rd in 2P% (.509) behind Dragic and Harden, 2nd in 3P% (.424) behind Afflalo, and 1st in eFG% (.566). It's gonna be pretty tough for him to be any more efficient than that.

[avb30]

Just the way Lebron is an all time great and became ridiculously efficient the last few seasons, I think Curry can do the same. Guys like Westbrook are less cerebral and I think if he tried a little more, he could be a million times more efficient but I digress.

It's a common theme with player like Durant and Lebron. They enter the league as amazing talents. Then, they start dominating and put up numbers in high volume on bad, to mediocre, then good teams. When they produce at about as high a volume as possible, that's when the mental aspect of shot selection and efficiency comes.

Like I said, we're nitpicking. I just wonder how much more ridiculously efficient Curry can become if he made some simple tweaks to his game. A part of me, like Onus said, just wants to see Curry have a heat check game every night and try to go off for 54 like he did in the Garden a couple seasons ago.

[Onus]

Just the way Lebron is an all time great and became ridiculously efficient the last few seasons, I think Curry can do the same. Guys like Westbrook are less cerebral and I think if he tried a little more, he could be a million times more efficient but I digress.

It's a common theme with player like Durant and Lebron. They enter the league as amazing talents. Then, they start dominating and put up numbers in high volume on bad, to mediocre, then good teams. When they produce at about as high a volume as possible, that's when the mental aspect of shot selection and efficiency comes.

Like I said, we're nitpicking. I just wonder how much more ridiculously efficient Curry can become if he made some simple tweaks to his game. A part of me, like Onus said, just wants to see Curry have a heat check game every night and try to go off for 54 like he did in the Garden a couple seasons ago.

It's easier for Lebron to get more efficient because he gets more layups and attacks the rim at will. He has to fight the urge to settle and attack the rim, which has allowed him to get more efficient. Curry's efficiency stems from his high 3p% with high volume. I'd say he takes a few bad shots here and there but he's got to find the range somehow. I'm really not worried about Curry's efficiency because it's so reliant on his 3pt shot and one make can drastically change how efficient he was that game. He can go 4/10 from the 3 (60% efg) a little below his avg but if he makes 5/10 that's 75% for efg%. I feel like everytime he doesn't shoot from 3 it's actually letting the defense off the hook, until of course he hits his ceiling and you start seeing diminished returns. But I want to know what that limit is.