Jalen's Rose Top 10 All Time

JordansBulls · Post #1 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:04 am

Showed it today on ESPN at the half

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Wilt
8. Kobe
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem/Oscar

Disagreements????

Mutnt · Post #2 » by **Mutnt** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:16 am

This guy has zero credibility to basketball connoisseurs. But despite some real hooters here, Kobe over Shaq takes the cake :lol:

I don't believe even 90% of Kobe's fan base would go this far.

ceiling raiser · Post #3 » by **ceiling raiser** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:19 am

JordansBulls wrote:Disagreements????

A ton, top to bottom. Yikes.

EDIT: Maybe that was a bit harsh, but there are a few things I'm not comfortable with in his list.

HeartBreakKid · Post #4 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:21 am

Not a bad list, I don't rate Magic, Bird and Bryant that high, but no worse than the stuff I see around here.

Mutnt wrote:This guy has zero credibility to basketball connoisseurs. But despite some real hooters here, Kobe over Shaq takes the cake I don't believe even 90% of Kobe's fan base would go this far.

Hm...I don't think you know Kobe's fanbase well enough, I mean I would wager even more than 90% of Kobe Bryant fans thinks he is the GOAT, much less better than Shaq.

Post #5 » by **PaulieWal** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:26 am

Hmm I am surprised at him excluding James. I swear he was on a podcast with Simmons and BS asked if LeBron needed to 3peat to surpass Bird and Jalen said LeBron was already ahead of Bird (maybe it was someone else then).

As for the overall list, it's his. I don't agree with it fully but it's not completely horrible either.

Sasaki · Post #6 » by **Sasaki** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:15 am

I'm just happy that he managed to get Russell right. There's way too many people who go "50s lol, 45 FG% lol" and thus discount all of his accomplishments.

Dupp · Post #7 » by **Dupp** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:20 am

Its not that bad of a list really if you move shaq up.

therealbig3 · Post #8 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:31 am

It's not a bad list in terms of who's actually in it, but the order at certain spots is certainly debatable.

I personally wouldn't have Kobe or Wilt in there, but it's understandable.

Dupp · Post #9 » by **Dupp** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:32 am

therealbig3 wrote:It's not a bad list in terms of who's actually in it, but the order at certain spots is certainly debatable.

I personally wouldn't have Kobe or Wilt in there, but it's understandable.

No Wilt at all? Where do you have him?

therealbig3 · Post #10 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:36 am

Dupp wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:It's not a bad list in terms of who's actually in it, but the order at certain spots is certainly debatable.

I personally wouldn't have Kobe or Wilt in there, but it's understandable.

No Wilt at all? Where do you have him?

11th.

I have LeBron and KG over him, as well as the rest of the players on that list sans Kobe.

Jedi32 · Post #11 » by **Jedi32** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:39 am

I don't know why it's hard for people to understand that this is one man's opinion.

Woodsanity · Post #12 » by **Woodsanity** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:55 am

Outside of moving Shaq up is it really that bad of a list? I was surprised. Its actually a solid list.

ardee · Post #13 » by **ardee** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:04 am

It's a perfectly fine list other than Wilt at 7 and no LeBron.

This board has a hard one for Shaq so I'm ignoring the comments about that. No one is disputing that the man had a top 3 peak but to act like ranking a BIG who had defensive issues throughout his career bar two seasons and missed a ton of games in his prime at 9 ALL TIME is a crime... Overreaction at its finest. 9 is perfect for Shaq.

If you moved Wilt to 3 and put LeBron at 6 behind Magic, that list is basically mine.

The KG mentions I won't even dignify, people will get emotional :roll:

HeartBreakKid · Post #14 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:26 am

ardee wrote:It's a perfectly fine list other than Wilt at 7 and no LeBron.

This board has a hard one for Shaq so I'm ignoring the comments about that. No one is disputing that the man had a top 3 peak but to act like ranking a BIG who had defensive issues throughout his career bar two seasons and missed a ton of games in his prime at 9 ALL TIME is a crime... Overreaction at its finest. 9 is perfect for Shaq.

If you moved Wilt to 3 and put LeBron at 6 behind Magic, that list is basically mine.

The KG mentions I won't even dignify, people will get emotional

You seem to be the emotional one here, aye?

Post #15 » by **Moonbeam** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:01 am

JordansBulls wrote:Showed it today on ESPN at the half

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Wilt
8. Kobe
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem/Oscar

Disagreements????

None of those guys seem unreasonable in the top 10, though they're not the same as mine. I think Jerry West and Dr. J have good cases to be included.

ThunderDan9 · Post #16 » by **ThunderDan9** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:07 am

Seems fair.
And while I personally prefer Shaq over Kobe, in terms of "GOAT" their rankings in relation to one another is certainly debatable. Shaq's actual achievements are far from perfect, and Kobe's longevity and consistency is remarkable.

GYK · Post #17 » by **GYK** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:15 am

Usual suspects don't see the problem

MrKnox · Post #18 » by **MrKnox** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:29 am

therealbig3 wrote:
Dupp wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:It's not a bad list in terms of who's actually in it, but the order at certain spots is certainly debatable.

I personally wouldn't have Kobe or Wilt in there, but it's understandable.

No Wilt at all? Where do you have him?

11th.

I have LeBron and KG over him, as well as the rest of the players on that list sans Kobe.

You have KG in front of Wilt? Excuse me while I step in front of this train.

JordansBulls · Post #19 » by **JordansBulls** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:37 am

MrKnox wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:
Dupp wrote:
No Wilt at all? Where do you have him?

11th.

I have LeBron and KG over him, as well as the rest of the players on that list sans Kobe.

You have KG in front of Wilt? Excuse me while I step in front of this train.

RayBan-Sematra · Post #20 » by **RayBan-Sematra** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:12 am

Don't like the list much.
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Bird (great as he was) should not be above Shaq, Duncan and imo Hakeem.
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Having Shaq below Kobe is as always never acceptable.
Shaq had the better Peak years (early 00's Shaq vs late 00's Kobe)
Shaq had the better Pre-Peak years (90's Shaq vs early 00's Kobe)
Shaq has superior longevity (elite player from 93-06 compared to 00-10 for Kobe).
Shaq was more consistent in nearly every possible way (sans reg-season attendance).
Shaq was the better Finals performer.
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Wilt should not be above Shaq since the Shaqtus was clearly the superior playoff and Finals performer who won 3 Rings as the man as opposed to the 1 Ring Wilt won as the man in an easier decoy style role.