Your Top 5 Biggest HOF Snubs Today?

[justinian]

Who are your top 5 eligible former players snubbed by HOF?

my take -

- Sidney Moncrief
- Jack Sikma
- Zelmo Beaty
- George McGinnis
- Chris Webber

[theonlyclutch]

Don't really have a list, but would have Kevin Johnson on there, snubbed out of wayyyy too many accolades (ASG, All-NBA) and had too short of a prime due to injuries, but he was absolutely one of the best offensive PGs there is when healthy.

Someone who is guaranteed to get snubbed: Chauncey Billups, unimpressive raw numbers and percentages due to a combination of late prime, slow paced teams, and lots of 3 point shooting, all of which hide the fact that he was an elite offensive guard for a significant period of time, the mid 00's version of James Harden with a great combination of FT-drawing and 3 point shooting, takes care of the ball better than any other modern PG other than Chris Paul, had a highly portable skillset due to his ability to work off-ball and create significant amounts of efficient looks for himself, with 7 120+ ORTG seasons, he was efficient to a fault, for comparison, this is more 120+ ORTG seasons than Magic Johnson.

[Ancalagon]

KJ and Chauncey are consistently on my "most underrated" list.

[justinian]

WHat od you guys think about Maurice Lucas?

[sp6r=underrated]

Coach: A coach must be either fully retired for five years or, if still an active coach, have coached as either a fulltime assistant or head coach on the high school and/or college and/or professional level for a minimum of 25 years. That person will then be considered for Enshrinement in the sixth year of retirement or 26th year of active coaching.

6 Yrs as an Assistant Coach with Air Force
9 Yrs as Head Coach of Pomona-Pitzer (Coached them to first title in 7 decades)
5 Yrs as an Assistant Coach with San Antonio & Golden State
18 Yrs as Full-Time Head Coach in the NBA

After the 2002 season he became eligible for the Hall of Fame. Thirteen years later he still isn't in the HOF.

[Dr Positivity]

I see HOF a little differently than all time lists. On the all time list I care about the players value, if they weren't on a good enough team to make it far in the postseason it shouldn't affect their value. But for Hall of Fame if a player going far in the postseason makes them a more historically relevant player I feel it should add to their case. I would have put Horace Grant in over Mitch Richmond even if Richmond was a better player (if he was) because of Grant's important role on the 3peat Bulls, plus making 3 other Finals (playing in 2). Whereas Richmond just didn't feel like a relevant enough player to history to me. I consider Billups to be a no brainer not only because he was an excellent player but because 04 Finals MVP and probably best player on that team, should be represented

So I would put Gus Williams, Jack Sikma and Bob Dandridge in for what happened in 78 and 79. On 79 Sonics title team all of Williams, Sikma and DJ have a case for the #1. DJ got Finals MVP, Sikma was the one attracting MVP votes in the regular season (finishing 7th), and Williams was the #1 option in regular season and playoffs, with 27ppg in the playoffs. To me that and making G7 of the 78 Finals make Sikma and Williams historically relevant players for non HOFers. They also both went on to have some bigger statistical years in the early 80s, with Williams making a 1st team All NBA once.

Dandridge makes 4 Finals (71, 74, 78, 79) and wins 2 (71, 78), had a long consistent run of 18-20ppg. Possibly deserved the 1978 Finals MVP and in 1979 had a very relevant Game 7 of the WCF against the Spurs where he went for 37 and hit the game winner. I believe at the time he was rated closer to Hayes and Unseld for best player on those teams than history now remembers him. I understand he's not a shoo-in case but I would probably squeeze him in

[Winsome Gerbil]

Webber is atop the list for the moment, but I would expect that to be rectified fairly shortly.

KJ...is a borderline case, as is Timmy. There is a reasonable line to be drawn between them and the HOF, or a reasonable one to be drawn just behind them and the HOF. You can't keep sliding the scale past all the snubs or it jsut introduces a whole new class of players as snubs. Soon Tom Chambers and Terry Cummings are feeling snubbed. Then Rod Strickland and Mookie Blaylock. Finally it will be Jim Les and John Crotty.

[trex_8063]

KJ would be my biggest snub, probably followed by Sidney Moncrief.

After that......
Jack Sikma
George McGinnis
and yeah, maybe Chris Webber; though given the length of time since his career has ended one does want to see Zelmo Beaty in. Chauncey Billups is def one I think is deserving, though I realize his career JUST ended (and they usually don't get in quite that quick).

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think of the HOF prospect for Bill Laimbeer?

[JordansBulls]

I would definitely say Kevin Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway to name a few.

[LA Bird]

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think of the HOF prospect for Bill Laimbeer?

If his coaching career is included, he has a pretty good chance. WNBA Coach of the year + 3 championships.

[sp6r=underrated]

Laimbeer is better than some guys in the HOF.

In a lot of way I think he would be more valuable today. On offense he was an excellent shooter who was one of the first bigs to shoot 3 pointers at a decent clip. I am convinced by his free throw shooting and overall success back then that he would be a great stretch big on offense. His defense is underrated because all people remember are the cheap shots. He was ahead of his time when it came to drawing offensive fouls. Laimbeer was a smart guy who would be able to conform his conduct to the rules. He would cut back on the egregious fouls to avoid getting constantly ejected. Laimbeer was great on the defensive glass.

That said he isn't at the HOF level based on his career and even if he played today he wouldn't make the hall.

[CaliBullsFan]

Danridge and Sikmaa not getting in is a travesty but I somewhat understand it because they played at small schools so there college careers are dismissed. But Gus Williams had a memorable college career at USC but there's a bias against him because he choose to sit out a season. Same with Webber a very memorable college career but there is a bias against him because of the scandal

[penbeast0]

I think Webber is pretty much a lock; he just wasn't first ballot material. His maintaining visibility with his TV appearances will help him too (though it shouldn't I suppose). Billups I would love to see in too but I think he's more marginal because of his lack of flashy highlights and big number stats.

I'd say Moncrief should definitely be in but I don't worry as much about longevity as long as there is a reasonable prime. Maybe Gus Williams and Penny too but neither peaked nearly as high as Sidney Moncrief.

For outstanding long career without the great peak, Sikma and KJ should go in, with Tim Hardaway behind them as a bubble guy. Webber would be in the Sikma to KJ range though I am openly not a fan.

Loved Dandridge but he is more the Jamaal Wilkes level of very good without ever being great, Laimbeer is a little below them though his role on the Bad Boys gives him extra narrative support.

Zelmo, McGinnis, Lucas . . . all much more marginal though the ABA committee will probably nominate the 1st two pretty soon as there aren't that many greater NBA players. I would throw out the name Spencer Haywood too as in this group and probably near the top of it.