2014-15 All-Season Awards Voting Thread (Deadline today, check voter pool if not sure you're in)
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2014-15 All-Season Awards Voting Thread (Deadline today, check voter pool if not sure you're in)
This thread is for the voting of all awards for the '14-15 season.
Here is the link for the POY Discussion thread:
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Here is the link for the Other Awards Discussion thread:
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The voting is as follows:
Top 5 for POY
Top 3 for all other awards:
Offensive POY
Defensive POY
Rookie of the Year
Most Improved Player
6th Man of the Year
Coach of the Year
Executive of the Year
Only voters who I have added to the panel may vote.
Non-voters may post in this thread but DO NOT post a ballot here. If you want to put one in the Discussion thread that's fine, but it's a pain in the ass tallying up all these things in the Voting thread, don't make my life harder.
If you're unsure if you're on the voting list, check the first post of the POY Discussion thread. If you want to join, and you think I may let you, PM me.
Voters may abstain from any of the secondary award votes they want, but must vote complete ballots for any they do vote. I'll personally ask that folks give it a shot as much as well as they can. In particular, I really don't want to see POY ballots from people who don't do OPOY and DPOY ballots. If you've seriously thought about this, and you think you have a valid perspective for players overall, you should have thought about the offensive and defensive components in isolation as well.
Explanations of votes are encouraged, and responses to explanations are allowed HOWEVER: The Discussion threads are STILL the place where you should go if you want to discuss. This is not a thread for you to "feel out" your thinking. While I won't stop you from editing your post up until the deadline, if you're really not entirely sure how you want to vote, please don't post in this thread about your indecision.
Here is the link for the POY Discussion thread:
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1382115#start_here
Here is the link for the Other Awards Discussion thread:
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1382117#start_here
The voting is as follows:
Top 5 for POY
Top 3 for all other awards:
Offensive POY
Defensive POY
Rookie of the Year
Most Improved Player
6th Man of the Year
Coach of the Year
Executive of the Year
Only voters who I have added to the panel may vote.
Non-voters may post in this thread but DO NOT post a ballot here. If you want to put one in the Discussion thread that's fine, but it's a pain in the ass tallying up all these things in the Voting thread, don't make my life harder.
If you're unsure if you're on the voting list, check the first post of the POY Discussion thread. If you want to join, and you think I may let you, PM me.
Voters may abstain from any of the secondary award votes they want, but must vote complete ballots for any they do vote. I'll personally ask that folks give it a shot as much as well as they can. In particular, I really don't want to see POY ballots from people who don't do OPOY and DPOY ballots. If you've seriously thought about this, and you think you have a valid perspective for players overall, you should have thought about the offensive and defensive components in isolation as well.
Explanations of votes are encouraged, and responses to explanations are allowed HOWEVER: The Discussion threads are STILL the place where you should go if you want to discuss. This is not a thread for you to "feel out" your thinking. While I won't stop you from editing your post up until the deadline, if you're really not entirely sure how you want to vote, please don't post in this thread about your indecision.
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Well leggo....
POY: I've explained thoughts pretty fully in the discussion thread, so the final ballot had a minor tweak. I decided to stick w/ Harden at 2, even after Lebron's run only because Harden did it over a much larger sample size, so the final ballot:
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Lebron
4. Paul
5. Westbrook
OPOY:
1. Curry, in all honesty I don't know an explanation is needed.
2. Harden, he kept the Rockets offense afloat with really little else on the roster
3. Westbrook, same as Harden, but he missed some time so I have to dock a bit there
DPOY:
1. Kawhi, I think he had similar overall defensive impact and I know its odd, but I value elite perimeter D a ton as I think it is a much more rare commodity
2. Gobert, didn't see this coming at all, but the kid is a freak and could be taking this award for years to come. He changed the Jazz defense entirely.
3. Green, he's been talked up plenty as well, the Swiss army knife of the bunch
I'm gonna skip EOY as I don't have a vote past 1.
ROY:
1. Mirotic - faded a bit in the postseason but was a key part of the Bulls success, I think w/ Hoiberg he's gonna thrive and give them the stretch type big they could use.
2. Noel - Elite defensive impact at that age is something I covet and he's got a fantastic future.
3. Wiggins - the potential is there for him on both ends but it didn't entirely translate on either.
COY:
1. Kidd - I forgot him initially but HBK pegged him, and I think he's a really underrated coach who got more out of a young undermanned team than most could
2. Kerr - Similar to Kidd, but did more with more instead of more with less
3. Bud - Disappointing postseason, but had no real star and put a good RS together
6MOY:
1. Thompson - was between him and Iggy, and though the finals were amazing for Iggy, the entire season taken into account Thompson was better, filling in as backup for Love or minutes at C, filling the stat sheet and coming out better in RPM than Iggy as well
2. Iggy - not the usual 6th man in that he wasn't a scorer, but was just what GSW needed off the bench, great defender came up big in the finals
3. Gibson - another odd pick but I just think he was at least as good as IT and had more team success
MIP:
1. Gordan Hayward - some improvements in different metrics as he didn't get much mention...
RPM: 3.89 improvement
WS/48:
WS: .097
VORP: 5.1
TS: .057
Improved his shooting and playmaking on higher volume. Great jump.
2. Butler - went from defensive specialist to a top defender with a quickly expanding offensive game
3. Giannis - made his first mini jump and became an above average wing in the league, I won't vote higher yet but expect this could be his next year
Alright, there it is!
POY: I've explained thoughts pretty fully in the discussion thread, so the final ballot had a minor tweak. I decided to stick w/ Harden at 2, even after Lebron's run only because Harden did it over a much larger sample size, so the final ballot:
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Lebron
4. Paul
5. Westbrook
OPOY:
1. Curry, in all honesty I don't know an explanation is needed.
2. Harden, he kept the Rockets offense afloat with really little else on the roster
3. Westbrook, same as Harden, but he missed some time so I have to dock a bit there
DPOY:
1. Kawhi, I think he had similar overall defensive impact and I know its odd, but I value elite perimeter D a ton as I think it is a much more rare commodity
2. Gobert, didn't see this coming at all, but the kid is a freak and could be taking this award for years to come. He changed the Jazz defense entirely.
3. Green, he's been talked up plenty as well, the Swiss army knife of the bunch
I'm gonna skip EOY as I don't have a vote past 1.
ROY:
1. Mirotic - faded a bit in the postseason but was a key part of the Bulls success, I think w/ Hoiberg he's gonna thrive and give them the stretch type big they could use.
2. Noel - Elite defensive impact at that age is something I covet and he's got a fantastic future.
3. Wiggins - the potential is there for him on both ends but it didn't entirely translate on either.
COY:
1. Kidd - I forgot him initially but HBK pegged him, and I think he's a really underrated coach who got more out of a young undermanned team than most could
2. Kerr - Similar to Kidd, but did more with more instead of more with less
3. Bud - Disappointing postseason, but had no real star and put a good RS together
6MOY:
1. Thompson - was between him and Iggy, and though the finals were amazing for Iggy, the entire season taken into account Thompson was better, filling in as backup for Love or minutes at C, filling the stat sheet and coming out better in RPM than Iggy as well
2. Iggy - not the usual 6th man in that he wasn't a scorer, but was just what GSW needed off the bench, great defender came up big in the finals
3. Gibson - another odd pick but I just think he was at least as good as IT and had more team success
MIP:
1. Gordan Hayward - some improvements in different metrics as he didn't get much mention...
RPM: 3.89 improvement
WS/48:
WS: .097
VORP: 5.1
TS: .057
Improved his shooting and playmaking on higher volume. Great jump.
2. Butler - went from defensive specialist to a top defender with a quickly expanding offensive game
3. Giannis - made his first mini jump and became an above average wing in the league, I won't vote higher yet but expect this could be his next year
Alright, there it is!
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Offense:
1) Curry - Had the greatest gravity on an elite offense that continued doing damage during the playoffs. Defenses had to scramble to trap him to limit his play on that end.
2) Harden - Terrific scoring/passing combo. The degree of his lift isn't as impressive to me as with Cury, since he was taking a lesser roster (partially due to health, though lesser talent than GSW matters as well) to fringe contender status as opposed to Curry taking an elite supporting to what by point differential (and my eye test) looked like an ATG squad.
3) Paul - Anchored top offense in the league, strong level of play down the stretch this year. I guess I should drop him as I did in POY voting, since the two missed playoff games are a problem for me.
Defense:
1) Leonard - Made SA look like a strong contender after his return, played ridiculous defense, the likes of which we haven't seen from a wing in some time. Unfortunately, I didn't see enough of the same in his playoff series that I did down the stretch. Still not enough to knock him down for me, but brought him back to the pack.
2) Green - His ability to switch onto as many different matchup as he can made Golden State's ridiculous defense work. Really digging the "playmaking four" tag he's received.
3) Bogut - I'm absolutely elated that he was healthy more or less for the season and playoff run this year. He didn't get much playing time in the Finals, but that was largely due to match ups. With such a depleted Cleveland roster running everything through one guy, even with bigs who played a quality, physical game in the playoffs, GS had the luxury of playing super small ball with no recourse. Still, they don't dominate to the extent they did without Bogut, even if there wasn't a monumental challenge in the Finals.
POY:
1) Curry - Good deal of lift to what I think will be viewed as an ATG team, ridiculous matchup problem. Clear-cut #1 IMO.
2) LeBron - I think his defense was better most of the season than it was last year, and it was even better in the playoffs. Offense looked terrific after the trades/break. Jumper completely shot, and I might drop him below Harden.
3) Harden - Great season, mastered the corner 3 (as a shooter and playmaker), and great offensively overall (and improved on the other end). Second half of the year three teams really took off (CLE after trades, SAS with Leonard, GSW continuing to destroy the league as they had all season)...but even so, LeBron's lack of a jumper might be the difference here.
4) Paul - Terrific season, great first round, but missing two games in the Houston series (even if the team got a split without him) has to drop him to the bottom of the 2-4 tier.
5) Davis - I don't want to read too much into EvanZ's NPI numbers, but he's really climbing up there. Unless Kawhi looks ridiculous in J.E.'s multi-year set (he did say he'd update after the playoffs, but I'm not sure if he's going to do so prior to the voting period), I don't mind bumping him out of the top 5, because I do feel greater offensive primacy detracted from his defense.
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I'm not sure if I'm going to participate in any of the other ballots, though I'd like to challenge myself to come up with a top 3 MIP list (EDIT: Decided not to vote in the peripheral contests, but I think I would go Gobert-Davis for my top two slots...Iggy would be my 6MOY). The above should be final, unless J.E. releases his dataset, and Kawhi looks much better or much worse than I'm anticipating (though I don't think he has much room for movement EDIT: Kawhi looked pretty good in J.E.'s data. I considered him, but he's just missing out. He and Green are my two HMs).
1) Curry - Had the greatest gravity on an elite offense that continued doing damage during the playoffs. Defenses had to scramble to trap him to limit his play on that end.
2) Harden - Terrific scoring/passing combo. The degree of his lift isn't as impressive to me as with Cury, since he was taking a lesser roster (partially due to health, though lesser talent than GSW matters as well) to fringe contender status as opposed to Curry taking an elite supporting to what by point differential (and my eye test) looked like an ATG squad.
3) Paul - Anchored top offense in the league, strong level of play down the stretch this year. I guess I should drop him as I did in POY voting, since the two missed playoff games are a problem for me.
Defense:
1) Leonard - Made SA look like a strong contender after his return, played ridiculous defense, the likes of which we haven't seen from a wing in some time. Unfortunately, I didn't see enough of the same in his playoff series that I did down the stretch. Still not enough to knock him down for me, but brought him back to the pack.
2) Green - His ability to switch onto as many different matchup as he can made Golden State's ridiculous defense work. Really digging the "playmaking four" tag he's received.
3) Bogut - I'm absolutely elated that he was healthy more or less for the season and playoff run this year. He didn't get much playing time in the Finals, but that was largely due to match ups. With such a depleted Cleveland roster running everything through one guy, even with bigs who played a quality, physical game in the playoffs, GS had the luxury of playing super small ball with no recourse. Still, they don't dominate to the extent they did without Bogut, even if there wasn't a monumental challenge in the Finals.
POY:
1) Curry - Good deal of lift to what I think will be viewed as an ATG team, ridiculous matchup problem. Clear-cut #1 IMO.
2) LeBron - I think his defense was better most of the season than it was last year, and it was even better in the playoffs. Offense looked terrific after the trades/break. Jumper completely shot, and I might drop him below Harden.
3) Harden - Great season, mastered the corner 3 (as a shooter and playmaker), and great offensively overall (and improved on the other end). Second half of the year three teams really took off (CLE after trades, SAS with Leonard, GSW continuing to destroy the league as they had all season)...but even so, LeBron's lack of a jumper might be the difference here.
4) Paul - Terrific season, great first round, but missing two games in the Houston series (even if the team got a split without him) has to drop him to the bottom of the 2-4 tier.
5) Davis - I don't want to read too much into EvanZ's NPI numbers, but he's really climbing up there. Unless Kawhi looks ridiculous in J.E.'s multi-year set (he did say he'd update after the playoffs, but I'm not sure if he's going to do so prior to the voting period), I don't mind bumping him out of the top 5, because I do feel greater offensive primacy detracted from his defense.
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I'm not sure if I'm going to participate in any of the other ballots, though I'd like to challenge myself to come up with a top 3 MIP list (EDIT: Decided not to vote in the peripheral contests, but I think I would go Gobert-Davis for my top two slots...Iggy would be my 6MOY). The above should be final, unless J.E. releases his dataset, and Kawhi looks much better or much worse than I'm anticipating (though I don't think he has much room for movement EDIT: Kawhi looked pretty good in J.E.'s data. I considered him, but he's just missing out. He and Green are my two HMs).
Now that's the difference between first and last place.
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POY:
1. Curry (league mvp, title, best numbers in the season)
2. Harden (great numbers in the league runner up to MVP, lost to league mvp and best team)
3. Lebron (outside of top 5 for the season for numbers, but raised up his numbers in the playoffs and carried his team.)
4. Paul (Great numbers all year, beat the defending champions, but was part of blowing a 3-1 series lead)
5. Davis (Awesome player with a bad team)
OPOY:
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Westbrook
DPOY:
1. Jimmy Butler (when he is on his game he locks down any star in today's league)
2. Kwahi (most consistent on this end but not the best)
3. Iggy (holds down wings very well)
ROY:
1. Andrew Wiggins (best numbers as a rookie and the potential star is there for him)
2. Nikola Mirotic
3. Nerlens Noel
MIP:
1. Jimmy Butler (hands down, went from role player to star.)
2. Rudy Gobert (the guy can play he advanced a lot from last year)
6th Man.
1. Iggy
2. Tristan Thompson
COY:
1. Kerr - Team went from losing in round 1 to a title the next year with pretty much the same roster.
2. Bud - Disappointing postseason, but the team was not that good in reality.
3. Jason Kidd (great job in Milwaukee)
1. Curry (league mvp, title, best numbers in the season)
2. Harden (great numbers in the league runner up to MVP, lost to league mvp and best team)
3. Lebron (outside of top 5 for the season for numbers, but raised up his numbers in the playoffs and carried his team.)
4. Paul (Great numbers all year, beat the defending champions, but was part of blowing a 3-1 series lead)
5. Davis (Awesome player with a bad team)
OPOY:
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Westbrook
DPOY:
1. Jimmy Butler (when he is on his game he locks down any star in today's league)
2. Kwahi (most consistent on this end but not the best)
3. Iggy (holds down wings very well)
ROY:
1. Andrew Wiggins (best numbers as a rookie and the potential star is there for him)
2. Nikola Mirotic
3. Nerlens Noel
MIP:
1. Jimmy Butler (hands down, went from role player to star.)
2. Rudy Gobert (the guy can play he advanced a lot from last year)
6th Man.
1. Iggy
2. Tristan Thompson
COY:
1. Kerr - Team went from losing in round 1 to a title the next year with pretty much the same roster.
2. Bud - Disappointing postseason, but the team was not that good in reality.
3. Jason Kidd (great job in Milwaukee)

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Player of the Year
1. Stephen Curry
2. James Harden
3. Chris Paul
4. LeBron James
5. Anthony Davis
Curry and Harden were deservedly #1 and 2 in MVP voting for the regular season. Curry was better in PER, TS%, WS/48, BPM, VORP and RPM, he had much higher on/off court net (+18.0 to +8.4), and basically equal on/off court ORtg differential, but the Warriors had better defense with Curry on the court than without him (opponents had 100.0 ORtg with Steph on the court, 103.5 without him, while Harden was a clear negative - 104.8 opponent ORtg with Harden on the court, 99.6 without him). Harden led the league in WAR, but Curry was second, so overall, Harden doesn't really have a case over Curry.
CP3 is right there with Harden in terms of boxscore production, taking his hamstring injury into account he was superb in the playoffs, but Harden is clearly ahead in RPM and WAR, that makes me give it to him.
LeBron was the best player in the postseason, in my opinion, but he's clearly below Curry, Harden and Paul as far as the regular season is concerned, and he also played just 69 games, compared to at least 80 for the other guys. His postseason was great, but considering that Curry/Harden/CP3 all shot above 60% TS, and LeBron shot below 50%, his playoff edge isn't big enough to vault him into to the top 3.
Davis over Westbrook for #5 was very close, too. Kinda surprising that two PER leaders are just #5 and 6 best players, but this year is really stacked at the top, reminds me a lot of 2003 and 2006. Davis was better in RPM and WAR, that's the deciding factor for me.
The fact that AD's team made the playoffs over Russell's team doesn't have anything to do with it, although Davis playing well in the first round reinforces his case a bit (even if I think that AD's boxscore numbers overstate his impact on winning, a bit).
Offensive Player of the Year
1. Stephen Curry
2. James Harden
3. Russell Westbrook
Defensive Player of the Year
1. Draymond Green
2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Tony Allen
Green over Leonard because of more games played. Decided to go with Green over Bogut (absolutely had to reward someone from Golden State and San Antonio) because he played a lot more minutes and games, with slightly lower, but still very high, impact. Leonard over Duncan because he was averaging more minutes (played less games, though) and his on/off court defensive numbers are much better than TD's (Duncan was playing just about 28-29 minutes per game, so the "off court" sample is pretty big, and he was just barely a positive defensive presence based on that).
Tony Allen had huge impact in terms of on/off court splits (his team was allowing 8.8 less points with him on the court, and with him playing just about 26 minutes per game, there's a substantial sample "off court", so it's pretty safe to assume that Allen's defensive impact was huge - the thing is, he didn't play enough games OR minutes to justify putting him over Green or Leonard, in my opinion).
Rookie of the Year
1. Nerlens Noel
2. Nikola Mirotic
3. Andrew Wiggins
Noel already looks like a legit defensive anchor - Sixers were REALLY bad overall, horrible offensively, but their defense was slightly above average (13th), seems like all of that is because of Noel. This kid has a scary defensive potential. Already 18th in the league in DRPM, and playing almost 31 mpg in 75 games is a very significant sample size.
Mirotic was already a high impact player, pretty mature for a rookie (but he was already 23/24 years old with a lot of experience in pro basketball in Europe. Playing just 20 minutes per game really hurts him compared to Noel, though. Plus, he was very poor in the playoffs.
Wiggins had the best raw numbers by a rookie, and he clearly shows flashes of All-Star (or even superstar) potential on offense, but his game is not really conductive to winning basketball yet.
Most Improved Player:
1. Rudy Gobert
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Gordon Hayward
Gobert is #1 to me, because he was pretty much a nobody in his rookie year, and now he's become one of the best defensive anchors in the league (and an excellent finisher on offense). Butler and Hayward were already solid players before 2014-15, they just became All-Star level this year, Gobert's improvement is definitely bigger, in my opinion.
Sixth Man of the Year
1. Tristan Thompson
2. Andre Iguodala
3. Lou Williams
Lou may've been the best sixth man in the regular season, but Thompson and Iguodala both had strong playoff runs, much better than Williams who struggled in the first round.
Coach of the Year
1. Steve Kerr
2. Mike Budenholzer
3. Jason Kidd
After the RS, I had Bud over Kerr, but the Hawks were very disappointing in the playoffs, while the Warriors did what they were supposed to do, and in a much tougher conference, at that.
Right now I'd say that Bud might be closer to Kidd than to Kerr, overall. It's funny how Kidd was considered an awful coach during his first season as a coach, with the Nets (particularly mid season, around January of 2014), but now he's considered one of the best. Bucks gave the Bulls more of a fight than I expected, and honestly, I didn't even expect Milwaukee to make the playoffs, so Kidd definitely did an excellent job.
Still, Budenholzer improved the Hawks so much (+22 wins, +5.63 SRS, conference finals appearance compared to first round exit the year before) that I think he deserves to be ranked #2.
Honorable mention Blatt.
Executive of the Year
1. David Griffin -Trading for Mozgov was a great move, and all things considered, so was trading for JR.
2. Bob Myers
3. Danny Ainge
1. Stephen Curry
2. James Harden
3. Chris Paul
4. LeBron James
5. Anthony Davis
Curry and Harden were deservedly #1 and 2 in MVP voting for the regular season. Curry was better in PER, TS%, WS/48, BPM, VORP and RPM, he had much higher on/off court net (+18.0 to +8.4), and basically equal on/off court ORtg differential, but the Warriors had better defense with Curry on the court than without him (opponents had 100.0 ORtg with Steph on the court, 103.5 without him, while Harden was a clear negative - 104.8 opponent ORtg with Harden on the court, 99.6 without him). Harden led the league in WAR, but Curry was second, so overall, Harden doesn't really have a case over Curry.
CP3 is right there with Harden in terms of boxscore production, taking his hamstring injury into account he was superb in the playoffs, but Harden is clearly ahead in RPM and WAR, that makes me give it to him.
LeBron was the best player in the postseason, in my opinion, but he's clearly below Curry, Harden and Paul as far as the regular season is concerned, and he also played just 69 games, compared to at least 80 for the other guys. His postseason was great, but considering that Curry/Harden/CP3 all shot above 60% TS, and LeBron shot below 50%, his playoff edge isn't big enough to vault him into to the top 3.
Davis over Westbrook for #5 was very close, too. Kinda surprising that two PER leaders are just #5 and 6 best players, but this year is really stacked at the top, reminds me a lot of 2003 and 2006. Davis was better in RPM and WAR, that's the deciding factor for me.
The fact that AD's team made the playoffs over Russell's team doesn't have anything to do with it, although Davis playing well in the first round reinforces his case a bit (even if I think that AD's boxscore numbers overstate his impact on winning, a bit).
Offensive Player of the Year
1. Stephen Curry
2. James Harden
3. Russell Westbrook
Defensive Player of the Year
1. Draymond Green
2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Tony Allen
Green over Leonard because of more games played. Decided to go with Green over Bogut (absolutely had to reward someone from Golden State and San Antonio) because he played a lot more minutes and games, with slightly lower, but still very high, impact. Leonard over Duncan because he was averaging more minutes (played less games, though) and his on/off court defensive numbers are much better than TD's (Duncan was playing just about 28-29 minutes per game, so the "off court" sample is pretty big, and he was just barely a positive defensive presence based on that).
Tony Allen had huge impact in terms of on/off court splits (his team was allowing 8.8 less points with him on the court, and with him playing just about 26 minutes per game, there's a substantial sample "off court", so it's pretty safe to assume that Allen's defensive impact was huge - the thing is, he didn't play enough games OR minutes to justify putting him over Green or Leonard, in my opinion).
Rookie of the Year
1. Nerlens Noel
2. Nikola Mirotic
3. Andrew Wiggins
Noel already looks like a legit defensive anchor - Sixers were REALLY bad overall, horrible offensively, but their defense was slightly above average (13th), seems like all of that is because of Noel. This kid has a scary defensive potential. Already 18th in the league in DRPM, and playing almost 31 mpg in 75 games is a very significant sample size.
Mirotic was already a high impact player, pretty mature for a rookie (but he was already 23/24 years old with a lot of experience in pro basketball in Europe. Playing just 20 minutes per game really hurts him compared to Noel, though. Plus, he was very poor in the playoffs.
Wiggins had the best raw numbers by a rookie, and he clearly shows flashes of All-Star (or even superstar) potential on offense, but his game is not really conductive to winning basketball yet.
Most Improved Player:
1. Rudy Gobert
2. Jimmy Butler
3. Gordon Hayward
Gobert is #1 to me, because he was pretty much a nobody in his rookie year, and now he's become one of the best defensive anchors in the league (and an excellent finisher on offense). Butler and Hayward were already solid players before 2014-15, they just became All-Star level this year, Gobert's improvement is definitely bigger, in my opinion.
Sixth Man of the Year
1. Tristan Thompson
2. Andre Iguodala
3. Lou Williams
Lou may've been the best sixth man in the regular season, but Thompson and Iguodala both had strong playoff runs, much better than Williams who struggled in the first round.
Coach of the Year
1. Steve Kerr
2. Mike Budenholzer
3. Jason Kidd
After the RS, I had Bud over Kerr, but the Hawks were very disappointing in the playoffs, while the Warriors did what they were supposed to do, and in a much tougher conference, at that.
Right now I'd say that Bud might be closer to Kidd than to Kerr, overall. It's funny how Kidd was considered an awful coach during his first season as a coach, with the Nets (particularly mid season, around January of 2014), but now he's considered one of the best. Bucks gave the Bulls more of a fight than I expected, and honestly, I didn't even expect Milwaukee to make the playoffs, so Kidd definitely did an excellent job.
Still, Budenholzer improved the Hawks so much (+22 wins, +5.63 SRS, conference finals appearance compared to first round exit the year before) that I think he deserves to be ranked #2.
Honorable mention Blatt.
Executive of the Year
1. David Griffin -Trading for Mozgov was a great move, and all things considered, so was trading for JR.
2. Bob Myers
3. Danny Ainge
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Player of the Year:
1) Steph Curry - No explanation needed, MVP during the RS and arguably the best player through the WCF.
2) James Harden - Gets the nod here because of a great RS and then a good showing in the playoffs. I'd still like him to be more consistent defensively but his durability and offensive prowess cannot be ignored.
3) LeBron James - I have a feeling we are gonna see more of these seasons from LBJ where he has meh regular seasons and then good-great playoffs. At his point he has 4 MVPs and he has nothing to prove in the RS anymore.
4) CP - I wanted to put him 3rd but he was hurt in the playoffs and it's possible if he's healthy they win the series. LeBron got the nod over him for what he did in the playoffs without Love/Irving.
5) GOATbrook - I thought long and hard about it. AD had a good season and then good playoffs but I think GOAT over the season was amazing. He had a bad stretch of a month but other than that he completely dominated whenever he was playing. I know some are not a fan of how he plays or what he did on the court but in a way he was playing with the Cavs supporting cast. Can't hate on that.
OPOY:
1) Curry -Unprecedented gravity in the league. Might be the first player that needs to be doubled at the half court consistently.
2) Harden - His game is ugly to watch and I am no fan of it but you can't deny that it's effective. There were still questions about his game carrying over to the playoffs and I think those questions are silly now. What Houston needs is more consistency with their roster and for Howard to be healthy.
3) Paul - This was a great RS for him, completely owned his mid-range game and great shooting from 3. Played 82 games as well, pretty much the offensive engine of the Clippers.
DPOY:
1) Leonard - His defense against the Clippers wasn't as consistent IMO but he was a legit monster during the RS and I don't think I have ever seen a wing guy play that kind of defense (except Pippen).
2) Green - Another no explanation candidate. Allowed the Warriors to play their defense and play small ball with Green as their "5".
3) Bogut - He struggled in the Finals but again had a great RS and playoffs defensively.
COY:
1) Kerr: Did more with more and won the title in his first year. Can't ask for more, he's shown he can make adjustments on the fly and that's a big plus in my books.
2) Bud - Great coach in the RS, changed their offense in the RS but needs to get Horford and Teague more aggressive in the playoffs.
3) Doc - Yeah, I know he's an idiot as a GM but I honestly though his coaching wasn't bad throughout the year and even in the playoffs he was alright.
1) Steph Curry - No explanation needed, MVP during the RS and arguably the best player through the WCF.
2) James Harden - Gets the nod here because of a great RS and then a good showing in the playoffs. I'd still like him to be more consistent defensively but his durability and offensive prowess cannot be ignored.
3) LeBron James - I have a feeling we are gonna see more of these seasons from LBJ where he has meh regular seasons and then good-great playoffs. At his point he has 4 MVPs and he has nothing to prove in the RS anymore.
4) CP - I wanted to put him 3rd but he was hurt in the playoffs and it's possible if he's healthy they win the series. LeBron got the nod over him for what he did in the playoffs without Love/Irving.
5) GOATbrook - I thought long and hard about it. AD had a good season and then good playoffs but I think GOAT over the season was amazing. He had a bad stretch of a month but other than that he completely dominated whenever he was playing. I know some are not a fan of how he plays or what he did on the court but in a way he was playing with the Cavs supporting cast. Can't hate on that.
OPOY:
1) Curry -Unprecedented gravity in the league. Might be the first player that needs to be doubled at the half court consistently.
2) Harden - His game is ugly to watch and I am no fan of it but you can't deny that it's effective. There were still questions about his game carrying over to the playoffs and I think those questions are silly now. What Houston needs is more consistency with their roster and for Howard to be healthy.
3) Paul - This was a great RS for him, completely owned his mid-range game and great shooting from 3. Played 82 games as well, pretty much the offensive engine of the Clippers.
DPOY:
1) Leonard - His defense against the Clippers wasn't as consistent IMO but he was a legit monster during the RS and I don't think I have ever seen a wing guy play that kind of defense (except Pippen).
2) Green - Another no explanation candidate. Allowed the Warriors to play their defense and play small ball with Green as their "5".
3) Bogut - He struggled in the Finals but again had a great RS and playoffs defensively.
COY:
1) Kerr: Did more with more and won the title in his first year. Can't ask for more, he's shown he can make adjustments on the fly and that's a big plus in my books.
2) Bud - Great coach in the RS, changed their offense in the RS but needs to get Horford and Teague more aggressive in the playoffs.
3) Doc - Yeah, I know he's an idiot as a GM but I honestly though his coaching wasn't bad throughout the year and even in the playoffs he was alright.
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Player of the Year:
1. Stephen Curry - Best offensive player in the league, solid defense all year, means best player in the league. Defense was aided by elite defensive supporting cast, but his offensive lift helped a defensive focused unit also have a top offense.
2. James Harden - Defense improved from absolutely terrible to slightly below average, was an offensive force despite being the clear focal point of defenses. Translated well to the playoffs.
3. Chris Paul - First 82 game season, led the best offense in the league(GOAT levels with Griffin healthy). Beat the 2nd best team in the league in the playoffs with about 6.5 NBA players, that accomplishment offset by blowing a 3-1 lead a bit, but lots of evidence shows that teammates just missed open shots. Defense slipped off a little from last year but still very good.
4. Lebron James - Underwhelming start, missed a couple weeks then came back on a mission. Was a top 2-3 player the last third of the season and the playoffs. Cleveland had a GOAT level offense with all their pieces combined. That jumper was a problem all season though and I do believe it hurt the offense once love and kyrie went down. Defense was pretty good and great at times, never consistently great though. Playoffs were great, but can't shake the feeling that we're seeing a slight push for him based on past accomplishments.
5. Anthony Davis - Probably underrated by everyone, including me. Elite offensive big man already, offensive gravity from setting a pick has gone underrated. Defense isn't "there" yet, but that doesn't mean it's not effective. When you're long and active, you have defensive impact. VERY impressed by performance in first playoff series against best defense in the league.
Honorable Mention to Russell Westbrook and Kawhi Leonard.
Offensive POY:
1. Stephen Curry - Offensive cast was filled with good passers, a few good shooters, and great finishers, but none of them could create for themselves. The "Chef Curry" nickname is perfect because he truly stirs the drink, and the team went from terrible offensively without him, to a top 2 offense with him. Oh yeah, and the GOAT shooter.
2. James Harden - Probably the best scorer(or at least creator of his own offense) in the league, an elite passer and saw all the defensive attention but still was able to do his thing. Not much else to say there.
3. Chris Paul - GOAT level offense with Griffin out there, best scoring starting 5 in the league. Best mid-range shooter in the league and still the best playmaker in the league.
Honorable Mention to Lebron James and Russell Westbrook.
Defensive POY:
1. Draymond Green - Could guard just about everyone that he was switched out on, but not only that, he shut them down. Even when the Warriors went small, they still shut down the Cavs for the most part. Also played more games than Leonard so it's hard for me to give Leonard the edge when they're so close to begin with.
2. Kawhi Leonard - Spectacular defender, made ball handlers pass it off if they saw that he switched onto him. DO NOT crossover in front of him! Spurs had second best defense in the league. Has to take a deduction for the missed games.
3. Rudy Gobert - Rim protection is starting to be underrated. The most efficient shots in the game are the three pointer AND the layup. Pacers were a top defensive team for the last two years with the immobile Hibbert in the paint. Utah had a drtg of 99(!) after deciding to start Gobert.
Honorable Mention to Tim Duncan and Andrew Bogut.
1. Stephen Curry - Best offensive player in the league, solid defense all year, means best player in the league. Defense was aided by elite defensive supporting cast, but his offensive lift helped a defensive focused unit also have a top offense.
2. James Harden - Defense improved from absolutely terrible to slightly below average, was an offensive force despite being the clear focal point of defenses. Translated well to the playoffs.
3. Chris Paul - First 82 game season, led the best offense in the league(GOAT levels with Griffin healthy). Beat the 2nd best team in the league in the playoffs with about 6.5 NBA players, that accomplishment offset by blowing a 3-1 lead a bit, but lots of evidence shows that teammates just missed open shots. Defense slipped off a little from last year but still very good.
4. Lebron James - Underwhelming start, missed a couple weeks then came back on a mission. Was a top 2-3 player the last third of the season and the playoffs. Cleveland had a GOAT level offense with all their pieces combined. That jumper was a problem all season though and I do believe it hurt the offense once love and kyrie went down. Defense was pretty good and great at times, never consistently great though. Playoffs were great, but can't shake the feeling that we're seeing a slight push for him based on past accomplishments.
5. Anthony Davis - Probably underrated by everyone, including me. Elite offensive big man already, offensive gravity from setting a pick has gone underrated. Defense isn't "there" yet, but that doesn't mean it's not effective. When you're long and active, you have defensive impact. VERY impressed by performance in first playoff series against best defense in the league.
Honorable Mention to Russell Westbrook and Kawhi Leonard.
Offensive POY:
1. Stephen Curry - Offensive cast was filled with good passers, a few good shooters, and great finishers, but none of them could create for themselves. The "Chef Curry" nickname is perfect because he truly stirs the drink, and the team went from terrible offensively without him, to a top 2 offense with him. Oh yeah, and the GOAT shooter.
2. James Harden - Probably the best scorer(or at least creator of his own offense) in the league, an elite passer and saw all the defensive attention but still was able to do his thing. Not much else to say there.
3. Chris Paul - GOAT level offense with Griffin out there, best scoring starting 5 in the league. Best mid-range shooter in the league and still the best playmaker in the league.
Honorable Mention to Lebron James and Russell Westbrook.
Defensive POY:
1. Draymond Green - Could guard just about everyone that he was switched out on, but not only that, he shut them down. Even when the Warriors went small, they still shut down the Cavs for the most part. Also played more games than Leonard so it's hard for me to give Leonard the edge when they're so close to begin with.
2. Kawhi Leonard - Spectacular defender, made ball handlers pass it off if they saw that he switched onto him. DO NOT crossover in front of him! Spurs had second best defense in the league. Has to take a deduction for the missed games.
3. Rudy Gobert - Rim protection is starting to be underrated. The most efficient shots in the game are the three pointer AND the layup. Pacers were a top defensive team for the last two years with the immobile Hibbert in the paint. Utah had a drtg of 99(!) after deciding to start Gobert.
Honorable Mention to Tim Duncan and Andrew Bogut.
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DPOY
1. Kawhi Leonard
2. Draymond Green
These first two are pretty much a toss up, but I think Green benefits a bit more from having such a great cast of defenders around him. Bogut and Iggy do a ton of heavy lifting for the GS defense as well. Not saying Leonard doesn't also play in a friendly defensive environment himself, but it's just that I see him being a little more responsible for his team's defensive success than Green.
3. Rudy Gobert
I was going to go with Bogut, but the info I've read on Gobert changed my mind.
OPOY
1. Stephen Curry
I don't think too much explanation is needed. The guy is going to be my #1 overall for the year, and it's not on account of his defense. His stats can stand up to anyone's, but he's one of those guys whose box score numbers SEVERELY underrate his impact imo. The amount of defensive attention he receives is second to none. Nobody has ever warped a defense out to 35 feet the way Curry does. Combined with his excellent passing and vision (everyone saying he's just a shooter really overlook how good he is at this...he's not Steve Nash or Chris Paul good, but I also don't think he's THAT far off from them either), as well as his insane handle, and this guy approaches GOAT offensive impact territory imo. Even when he doesn't shoot well, you can't even say that he's not having a significant positive impact out there, because there's not a defense in the world that will stop conceding those 4 on 3 opportunities to him, even if he's in a shooting slump. And if they do, they usually pay the price.
2. Chris Paul
Hugely underrated season from Paul. Arguably his best offensive season actually. There's really nothing you can even criticize about Paul's offensive game...to me, he's pretty much perfect. Maybe "too" under control (as in there might be more of a benefit to the high risk, high reward play style of a Steve Nash or a Stephen Curry), maybe "too" passive (there might be more of a benefit if CP3 looked for his shot more), but these are minor nitpicks at best.
3. James Harden
Tough choice between him and Paul. Went with Paul because it's hard to argue with what Paul accomplished this year offensively. Harden was an absolute monster without a doubt though, and the fact that he was able to lead Houston where he did despite Howard missing so much time is extremely impressive. Can't argue with the production either.
POY
1. Stephen Curry - already outlined in the OPOY discussion
2. LeBron James - the playoffs pushed him up for me. I might be heavily in the prisoner of the moment dilemma, but IDC. I think with a healthier supporting cast, the ugly inefficiency wouldn't have been nearly as ugly, and he did everything else as well as you could have possibly asked for. Herculean effort from LeBron. Needs to improve that jumper though. His offense was a step below the top 3 for OPOY as a result, but his defense puts him up here imo.
3. Chris Paul - already outlined in the OPOY discussion
4. James Harden - already outlined in the OPOY discussion
5. Anthony Davis - I can't argue with the numbers, the +/- says he's a beast, and he played great in his first playoffs. The only reason not to have him higher is due to simply having more faith in the guys ahead of him, as they simply have a longer track record, as well as questions about whether Davis's defense is good enough yet or not. Offensively, he's already there.
1. Kawhi Leonard
2. Draymond Green
These first two are pretty much a toss up, but I think Green benefits a bit more from having such a great cast of defenders around him. Bogut and Iggy do a ton of heavy lifting for the GS defense as well. Not saying Leonard doesn't also play in a friendly defensive environment himself, but it's just that I see him being a little more responsible for his team's defensive success than Green.
3. Rudy Gobert
I was going to go with Bogut, but the info I've read on Gobert changed my mind.
OPOY
1. Stephen Curry
I don't think too much explanation is needed. The guy is going to be my #1 overall for the year, and it's not on account of his defense. His stats can stand up to anyone's, but he's one of those guys whose box score numbers SEVERELY underrate his impact imo. The amount of defensive attention he receives is second to none. Nobody has ever warped a defense out to 35 feet the way Curry does. Combined with his excellent passing and vision (everyone saying he's just a shooter really overlook how good he is at this...he's not Steve Nash or Chris Paul good, but I also don't think he's THAT far off from them either), as well as his insane handle, and this guy approaches GOAT offensive impact territory imo. Even when he doesn't shoot well, you can't even say that he's not having a significant positive impact out there, because there's not a defense in the world that will stop conceding those 4 on 3 opportunities to him, even if he's in a shooting slump. And if they do, they usually pay the price.
2. Chris Paul
Hugely underrated season from Paul. Arguably his best offensive season actually. There's really nothing you can even criticize about Paul's offensive game...to me, he's pretty much perfect. Maybe "too" under control (as in there might be more of a benefit to the high risk, high reward play style of a Steve Nash or a Stephen Curry), maybe "too" passive (there might be more of a benefit if CP3 looked for his shot more), but these are minor nitpicks at best.
3. James Harden
Tough choice between him and Paul. Went with Paul because it's hard to argue with what Paul accomplished this year offensively. Harden was an absolute monster without a doubt though, and the fact that he was able to lead Houston where he did despite Howard missing so much time is extremely impressive. Can't argue with the production either.
POY
1. Stephen Curry - already outlined in the OPOY discussion
2. LeBron James - the playoffs pushed him up for me. I might be heavily in the prisoner of the moment dilemma, but IDC. I think with a healthier supporting cast, the ugly inefficiency wouldn't have been nearly as ugly, and he did everything else as well as you could have possibly asked for. Herculean effort from LeBron. Needs to improve that jumper though. His offense was a step below the top 3 for OPOY as a result, but his defense puts him up here imo.
3. Chris Paul - already outlined in the OPOY discussion
4. James Harden - already outlined in the OPOY discussion
5. Anthony Davis - I can't argue with the numbers, the +/- says he's a beast, and he played great in his first playoffs. The only reason not to have him higher is due to simply having more faith in the guys ahead of him, as they simply have a longer track record, as well as questions about whether Davis's defense is good enough yet or not. Offensively, he's already there.
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I typed out my thought process for most of them, it's top heavy in text when it comes to POY - but the latter awards aren't too much.
A readers digest version at the bottom for those who just want to see my votes/the poor soul who has to tally all these votes
Player of the Year
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Defensive Player of the Year
Rookie of the Year
Most Improved Player of the Year
Sixth man of the Year
Coach of the Year
Executive of the Year
Summary of my votes
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POY
1) Stephen Curry: I think the best offensive player in the league. Made a case for himself as the greatest shooter ever, imo. Only 58.4% of his treys were assisted; so basically 5 of every 12 attempts was off the dribble (often heavily-contested).....and he still hit 44.3% on them (66.4% eFG) :o . With his amazing handles and his ability to get people to bite on hesitation dribbles and similar, he's gets a limited number of super-high% shots at the rim (68.7% finishing from <3 feet). Excellent in the mid-range, too, considering those are almost entirely off the dribble. Scored some pretty significant volume at +10.4% rTS overall. Excellent play-maker, as well. Highest OBPM in league, for what that's worth.
To cap it off he's played decent defense, too. Not like he's Patrick Beverly, but he's fairly pesky out on top, with nice defensive on/off (especially in the post-season), and good rebounding numbers for a PG. Was 3rd in the league in RAPM in January (I've no reason to believe that's gotten any lower, though I've not yet seen full season RAPM), also highest VORP and highest WS/48 in the league this year; 3rd-highest PER (and he played 80 rs games, whereas both of the guys ahead of him in PER played <70 games).
Best player on best team narrative going for him, too.
2) Chris Paul: idk if this is sort of a dark-horse pick for number 2. It was a pretty tough/close call for me, but what an amazing year. 19.1 ppg and 10.2 apg @ +6.2% rTS and a "wtfareyoukiddingme" AST:TO ratio of 4.41. In the playoffs he was equally insane: 22.1 ppg and 8.8 apg @ even better shooting efficiency (62.7% in playoffs) with 4.04 AST:TO ratio. Very good perimeter defender (with quick hands), and good rebounder for a PG, too. Didn't miss a single rs game, though did miss 2 playoff games (one totally boss hero game playing injured, though).
Had the best on/off in the league; Clippers very nearly fell apart without him. Even with Griffin, they had an ORtg 19.9 worse when Paul was on the bench than when he played. GOAT-level offense whenever he was on the court.
3) James Harden: This is more of a tie for #2 (or 2b), but have to take a stance for purposes of the vote. Also a crazy offensive player: 27.4 ppg at +7.1% rTS, with very good playmaking for a SG, too. Very good rebounding SG, and wasn't playing terrible defense this year (though ultimately it was his defense which compelled me to put him slightly behind Paul, along with his playoff performance which---though very good---was beneath Paul's).
4) Lebron James: Seemed like he was coasting a bit in the rs; his box and advanced metrics quite a bit reduced from all years in recent memory, but he was still leading the league in RAPM back in January. Insane impact on that team's success: 50-19 (.725) when he played, 3-10 (.231) without him; on/off numbers fantastic, too. Was leading what would be in contention for GOAT offense during the final 43 games of the rs. And took a badly-depleted team to game 6 of the finals against the most dominant team of the 21st century.
Must sustain some criticism, though, for missing 13 rs games and for perhaps contributing to his own extreme primacy after both Love and Irving were out. Not that I think it would have necessarily changed the outcome, though.
5) Anthony Davis: While he's got one of the highest PER's ever recorded and the 2nd-highest WS/48 this season......his RAPM in January was tied for 30th (well behind ALL of the other major candidates), his on/off trails that of Curry, Paul, and Lebron; and the Pelicans were 39-29 (.574) with him, 6-8 (.429) without him (not as huge a drop as expected based on his numbers). Overall, his impact just seems to lag behind his box/advanced numbers a bit. So that creates a touch of skepticism for me, and then he missed 14 rs games, too.
Was fantastic in the playoffs, though.
OPOY
1) Stephen Curry: Largely outlined above. Recap: arguably GOAT shooter who was scoring biggish volume on insane efficiency, while also being the primary playmaker/facilitator on the team (2nd-rated offense in league). Had 2nd-highest ORAPM in January (behind only Lebron), and the 2nd-highest offensive on/off (behind only CP3).
2) Chris Paul: Again already outlined above. Little added info regarding his offensive impact: 4th-highest ORAPM in January (behind Lebron, Curry, and Harden), but THE highest offensive on/off in the league this year.
3) James Harden: Tough call, given Lebron's at times insane offensive impact indicators; Harden's impact data doesn't quite match his. Nonetheless, it's hard to deny the massive volume and efficiency; and he did have the 3rd-highest ORAPM back in January. And again, there's Lebron's 13 missed games.
DPOY
1) Draymond Green: Just like so much of what he brings on defense. The versatility if going to a small line-up or if caught on a switch: I've literally seen him guard every position this season (and he's not bad against any of them). Excellent pnr defender, he's stubborn as hell as far as contesting the low post-up, closes out on shooters really well, gets steals and blocks, gets defensive rebounds.....he does it all. He's sort of the "energy guy" out there, too. His DRAPM in January was was 4th-best in the league, behind Kawhi, Iggy (limited minutes, though), and Eric Bledsoe (? which strikes me as a somewhat "noisy" result; not that he isn't a good defender). His defensive on/off was the 2nd-best I've found (only Rudy Gobert's was better).
2) Kawhi Leonard: Tough perimeter defender who also has the size/strength (and skill) to defend guys like Lebron in the post. Gets steals at an utterly insane rate without (from the limited Spurs games I saw) gambling over-much. Had the highest DRAPM in January (somewhat limited minutes role, though), and had a nice defensive on/off, too (in the rs, at least.....defensive on/off was terrible in the playoffs, though obv this stat doesn't filter out line-up noise). His somewhat limited minutes and 18 missed rs games is what definitively puts him behind Green for me. It'd be super-close otherwise.
3) Rudy Gobert: Initially I really didn't know who to pick for #3. And this is somewhat an odd pick for me because I have to admit: I've seen almost none of Gobert's play this year (brief fragments of a couple games, nothing more). But he blocks shots at an excellent rate, has the best defensive on/off in the league (and had respectable DRAPM, too, which was before they began utilizing him to great effect). At the end of the season when they were largely starting Gobert and giving him sizable minutes, Utah's defense was unreal: DRtg of 98.9 (-6.7 to league avg) in the final 30 games.
And vs Bogut, I can't ignore that Bogut only played 23.8 mpg (vs. 26.3 for Gobert) and also missed 15 games (Gobert didn't miss any).
1) Stephen Curry: I think the best offensive player in the league. Made a case for himself as the greatest shooter ever, imo. Only 58.4% of his treys were assisted; so basically 5 of every 12 attempts was off the dribble (often heavily-contested).....and he still hit 44.3% on them (66.4% eFG) :o . With his amazing handles and his ability to get people to bite on hesitation dribbles and similar, he's gets a limited number of super-high% shots at the rim (68.7% finishing from <3 feet). Excellent in the mid-range, too, considering those are almost entirely off the dribble. Scored some pretty significant volume at +10.4% rTS overall. Excellent play-maker, as well. Highest OBPM in league, for what that's worth.
To cap it off he's played decent defense, too. Not like he's Patrick Beverly, but he's fairly pesky out on top, with nice defensive on/off (especially in the post-season), and good rebounding numbers for a PG. Was 3rd in the league in RAPM in January (I've no reason to believe that's gotten any lower, though I've not yet seen full season RAPM), also highest VORP and highest WS/48 in the league this year; 3rd-highest PER (and he played 80 rs games, whereas both of the guys ahead of him in PER played <70 games).
Best player on best team narrative going for him, too.
2) Chris Paul: idk if this is sort of a dark-horse pick for number 2. It was a pretty tough/close call for me, but what an amazing year. 19.1 ppg and 10.2 apg @ +6.2% rTS and a "wtfareyoukiddingme" AST:TO ratio of 4.41. In the playoffs he was equally insane: 22.1 ppg and 8.8 apg @ even better shooting efficiency (62.7% in playoffs) with 4.04 AST:TO ratio. Very good perimeter defender (with quick hands), and good rebounder for a PG, too. Didn't miss a single rs game, though did miss 2 playoff games (one totally boss hero game playing injured, though).
Had the best on/off in the league; Clippers very nearly fell apart without him. Even with Griffin, they had an ORtg 19.9 worse when Paul was on the bench than when he played. GOAT-level offense whenever he was on the court.
3) James Harden: This is more of a tie for #2 (or 2b), but have to take a stance for purposes of the vote. Also a crazy offensive player: 27.4 ppg at +7.1% rTS, with very good playmaking for a SG, too. Very good rebounding SG, and wasn't playing terrible defense this year (though ultimately it was his defense which compelled me to put him slightly behind Paul, along with his playoff performance which---though very good---was beneath Paul's).
4) Lebron James: Seemed like he was coasting a bit in the rs; his box and advanced metrics quite a bit reduced from all years in recent memory, but he was still leading the league in RAPM back in January. Insane impact on that team's success: 50-19 (.725) when he played, 3-10 (.231) without him; on/off numbers fantastic, too. Was leading what would be in contention for GOAT offense during the final 43 games of the rs. And took a badly-depleted team to game 6 of the finals against the most dominant team of the 21st century.
Must sustain some criticism, though, for missing 13 rs games and for perhaps contributing to his own extreme primacy after both Love and Irving were out. Not that I think it would have necessarily changed the outcome, though.
5) Anthony Davis: While he's got one of the highest PER's ever recorded and the 2nd-highest WS/48 this season......his RAPM in January was tied for 30th (well behind ALL of the other major candidates), his on/off trails that of Curry, Paul, and Lebron; and the Pelicans were 39-29 (.574) with him, 6-8 (.429) without him (not as huge a drop as expected based on his numbers). Overall, his impact just seems to lag behind his box/advanced numbers a bit. So that creates a touch of skepticism for me, and then he missed 14 rs games, too.
Was fantastic in the playoffs, though.
OPOY
1) Stephen Curry: Largely outlined above. Recap: arguably GOAT shooter who was scoring biggish volume on insane efficiency, while also being the primary playmaker/facilitator on the team (2nd-rated offense in league). Had 2nd-highest ORAPM in January (behind only Lebron), and the 2nd-highest offensive on/off (behind only CP3).
2) Chris Paul: Again already outlined above. Little added info regarding his offensive impact: 4th-highest ORAPM in January (behind Lebron, Curry, and Harden), but THE highest offensive on/off in the league this year.
3) James Harden: Tough call, given Lebron's at times insane offensive impact indicators; Harden's impact data doesn't quite match his. Nonetheless, it's hard to deny the massive volume and efficiency; and he did have the 3rd-highest ORAPM back in January. And again, there's Lebron's 13 missed games.
DPOY
1) Draymond Green: Just like so much of what he brings on defense. The versatility if going to a small line-up or if caught on a switch: I've literally seen him guard every position this season (and he's not bad against any of them). Excellent pnr defender, he's stubborn as hell as far as contesting the low post-up, closes out on shooters really well, gets steals and blocks, gets defensive rebounds.....he does it all. He's sort of the "energy guy" out there, too. His DRAPM in January was was 4th-best in the league, behind Kawhi, Iggy (limited minutes, though), and Eric Bledsoe (? which strikes me as a somewhat "noisy" result; not that he isn't a good defender). His defensive on/off was the 2nd-best I've found (only Rudy Gobert's was better).
2) Kawhi Leonard: Tough perimeter defender who also has the size/strength (and skill) to defend guys like Lebron in the post. Gets steals at an utterly insane rate without (from the limited Spurs games I saw) gambling over-much. Had the highest DRAPM in January (somewhat limited minutes role, though), and had a nice defensive on/off, too (in the rs, at least.....defensive on/off was terrible in the playoffs, though obv this stat doesn't filter out line-up noise). His somewhat limited minutes and 18 missed rs games is what definitively puts him behind Green for me. It'd be super-close otherwise.
3) Rudy Gobert: Initially I really didn't know who to pick for #3. And this is somewhat an odd pick for me because I have to admit: I've seen almost none of Gobert's play this year (brief fragments of a couple games, nothing more). But he blocks shots at an excellent rate, has the best defensive on/off in the league (and had respectable DRAPM, too, which was before they began utilizing him to great effect). At the end of the season when they were largely starting Gobert and giving him sizable minutes, Utah's defense was unreal: DRtg of 98.9 (-6.7 to league avg) in the final 30 games.
And vs Bogut, I can't ignore that Bogut only played 23.8 mpg (vs. 26.3 for Gobert) and also missed 15 games (Gobert didn't miss any).
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Top 5 for POY
1. Stephen Curry
2. LeBron James
3. Chris Paul
4. James Harden
5. Anthony Davis
HM (in order): Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Marc Gasol
Top 3 for all other awards:
Offensive POY
1. Stephen Curry
2. Chris Paul
3. James Harden
Defensive POY
1. Draymond Green
2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Rudy Gobert
Rookie of the Year
!. Nikola Mirotic
2. Andrew Wiggins
3. Nerlens Noel
Most Improved Player
1. Rudy Gobert
2. Anthony Davis
3. Khris Middleton
6th Man of the Year
1. Andre Iguodala
2. Tristan Thompson
3. Patty Mills
Coach of the Year
1. Steve Kerr
2. Mike Budenholzer
3. Jason Kidd
Executive of the Year
1. Daryl Morey
2. Bob Myers
3. David Griffin
1. Stephen Curry
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2. LeBron James
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3. Chris Paul
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4. James Harden
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5. Anthony Davis
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HM (in order): Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Marc Gasol
Top 3 for all other awards:
Offensive POY
1. Stephen Curry
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2. Chris Paul
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3. James Harden
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Defensive POY
1. Draymond Green
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2. Kawhi Leonard
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3. Rudy Gobert
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Rookie of the Year
!. Nikola Mirotic
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2. Andrew Wiggins
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3. Nerlens Noel
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Most Improved Player
1. Rudy Gobert
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2. Anthony Davis
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3. Khris Middleton
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6th Man of the Year
1. Andre Iguodala
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2. Tristan Thompson
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3. Patty Mills
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Coach of the Year
1. Steve Kerr
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2. Mike Budenholzer
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3. Jason Kidd
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Executive of the Year
1. Daryl Morey
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2. Bob Myers
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3. David Griffin
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Explanations are in the other thread.
Executive of the Year
1) David Griffin
2) Daryl Morey
3) John Hammond
Coach of the Year
1) Steve Kerr
2) Mike Budenholzer
3) Jason Kidd
Sixth Man of the Year
1) Andre Iguodala
2) Tristan Thompson
3) Lou Williams
Most Improved Player
1) Rudy Gobert
2) Jimmy Butler
3) Hassan Whiteside
Rookie of the Year
1) Nerlens Noel
2) Andrew Wiggins
3) Nikola Mirotic
Defensive Player of the Year
1) Draymond Green
2) Kawhi Leonard
3) Andrew Bogut
Offensive Player of the Year
1) James Harden
2) Stephen Curry
3) Chris Paul
Player of the Year
1) Stephen Curry
2) James Harden
3) Lebron James
4) Chris Paul
5) Anthony Davis
Executive of the Year
1) David Griffin
2) Daryl Morey
3) John Hammond
Coach of the Year
1) Steve Kerr
2) Mike Budenholzer
3) Jason Kidd
Sixth Man of the Year
1) Andre Iguodala
2) Tristan Thompson
3) Lou Williams
Most Improved Player
1) Rudy Gobert
2) Jimmy Butler
3) Hassan Whiteside
Rookie of the Year
1) Nerlens Noel
2) Andrew Wiggins
3) Nikola Mirotic
Defensive Player of the Year
1) Draymond Green
2) Kawhi Leonard
3) Andrew Bogut
Offensive Player of the Year
1) James Harden
2) Stephen Curry
3) Chris Paul
Player of the Year
1) Stephen Curry
2) James Harden
3) Lebron James
4) Chris Paul
5) Anthony Davis
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Gonna leave out executive of the year.
Added a honorable mention if it was really close and I wanted to give a shoutout.
Player of the Year
1) Stephen Curry
2) LeBron James
3) James Harden
4) Chris Paul
5) Anthony Davis
HM: Westbrook
Offensive Player of the Year
1) Stephen Curry
2) Chris Paul
3) James Harden
Defensive Player of the Year
1) Draymond Green
2) Kawhi Leonard
3) Andrew Bogut
HM: Rudy Gobert
Sixth Man of the Year
1) Andre Iguodala
2) Manu Ginobili
3) Lou Williams
Most Improved Player
1) Rudy Gobert
2) Jimmy Butler
3) Hassan Whiteside
Rookie of the Year
1) Nerlens Noel
2) Andrew Wiggins
3) Jordan Clarkson
Coach of the Year
1) Steve Kerr
2) Mike Budenholzer
3) Gregg Popovich
Added a honorable mention if it was really close and I wanted to give a shoutout.
Player of the Year
1) Stephen Curry
2) LeBron James
3) James Harden
4) Chris Paul
5) Anthony Davis
HM: Westbrook
Offensive Player of the Year
1) Stephen Curry
2) Chris Paul
3) James Harden
Defensive Player of the Year
1) Draymond Green
2) Kawhi Leonard
3) Andrew Bogut
HM: Rudy Gobert
Sixth Man of the Year
1) Andre Iguodala
2) Manu Ginobili
3) Lou Williams
Most Improved Player
1) Rudy Gobert
2) Jimmy Butler
3) Hassan Whiteside
Rookie of the Year
1) Nerlens Noel
2) Andrew Wiggins
3) Jordan Clarkson
Coach of the Year
1) Steve Kerr
2) Mike Budenholzer
3) Gregg Popovich
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Very busy at work over the last week. Will be on a train with wifi traveling tonight, though so i’ll get my votes in by the end of the night.
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Clyde Frazier wrote:Doctor MJ wrote:This thread is for the voting of all awards. It will close after next Friday night.
Very busy at work over the last week. Will be on a train with wifi traveling tonight, though so i’ll get my votes in by the end of the night.
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My official votes now, short of a late change of heart.
Player of the Year:
1. Steph Curry - this one's just plain easy. The team worked like a dream, and while it's a great ensemble, I don't know if I've ever seen a scorer freak out a defense more than that Curry did to his opponents.
2. LeBron James - I'm still really debating whether LeBron deserves to leap up from the 4th spot where I had him at the end of the regular season. I'm on record having major concerns about how he played. Fact is though that the Cavs can claim to be the best team for the second half of the year, and even with injuries fought the champs as well as anyone else in the playoffs. LeBron is the engine making that happen.
To be clear: I just copy and pasted this wording from my rough draft, but it's still really true. I'm still not really clear on where to put LeBron.
3. James Harden - the king of Lift this year. In the regular season, no one did more with less.
4. Chris Paul - I fully understand those who have Paul higher here. It's a weird situation. If the Clippers close out that Game 6 against Houston with ease, he definitely surpasses Harden on my list. Harden isn't the reason that didn't happen and so he doesn't deserve to be rewarded for it. Similarly Paul played well, he doesn't deserve to be punished. The fact remains though that all of our objective measures say that Harden had a bigger lift in the regular season, and then for all intents and purposes his team upset Paul's team in the playoffs having a better record with Paul on the floor than without him. It's not a reason to drop Paul, but searching for a reason to raise Paul, I just don't see it.
5. Anthony Davis - an absolute giant awakening. A case can be made he's already the best player in the world. But while it's clear at this point that he's having superstar impact, he's not proven in terms of leading truly epic teams. While I don't doubt Davis will get there, the fact is that right now he's doing his thing on a team that isn't going to scale the way it's currently playing.
Honorable Mention in alphabetical order:
Marc Gasol - got a little overhyped this year as a legit MVP threat, but he remains the foundation of a strong team on both sides of the ball
Draymond Green - no question in my mind at all he deserves to be here. Playoffs made it utterly laughable that Klay Thompson is considered by most the 2nd star of the Warriors.
kWh Leonard - there's now no doubt that Leonard is a superstar talent that the Spurs can continue to build around
John Wall - there are several guys around the same tier as Wall, but to me he has the season with the fewest blemishes of the bunch
Russell Westbrook - as I've indicated, I've got major issues with Westbrook's play this year, to the point where I question whether he deserves a spot here. Realistically though there wasn't really a doubt in my mind that with a healthy season he'd be a strong candidate for a Top 10 spot, and it's awfully hard to literally penalize Westbrook for what he does in a no win scenario so long as he's working his ass off. And that he surely was.
Offensive POY
1. Steph Curry - realistically the kitchen sink was thrown at the guy, and the scheme built around him still worked. He's done more this year to put his name next to the dictionary definition of "Offensive Anchor" than anyone else.
2. James Harden - no one lifted his team's offense more. He loses out because I simply have more confidence in building around Curry's offense than Harden's the way Houston is currently using him.
3. Chris Paul - 3rd on the list but still has an excellent case for winning the thing. The Clipper offense worked so well I feel like a bad person saying it, but I feel like he and Griffin still aren't fully realizing their potential together.
Defensive POY
1. Draymond Green - an easy choice for me after the playoffs are over. I questioned how he'd fit in against serious opposing threats of size. Turns out he that no matter the Warriors adapt, Green remains incredibly useful and that their big (Bogut) is the guy who fits in less well.
2. Khris Middleton - the "quiet Draymond" this year. Very much of the same breed of players who we didn't used to think of in this light. Middleton has yet to really prove it in the playoffs, but at this point I see no reason to leave him off this list considering what he did all year.
3. Rudy Gobert - The Jazz were 27th in defense for the first half of the year, and 2nd for the second half. Hard to imagine not giving him the mythical DPO-Half-Y, but how to factor in the first half? Well the reality is Gobert was helping the defense all year, and played more minutes than Kawhi. So tough as it is, he squeaks in the 3rd spot here.
ROY
1. Nerlens Noel - It was between he and Wiggins for me. Mirotic had a hell of a month or so, but for the most part he just had a much smaller role than these other guys did, and he's a lot older, which if I'm honest does matter to me here. Between the two putative budding superstars, who both showed improvement over the course of the year, the thing is that Noel can point to actual team effect more than Wiggins. In the second half of the year Noel's team did considerably better than Wiggins' did when they were each on the floor, and specifically it was happening because of defense...which is Noel's forte. Simply put, Noel seems more established as a defensive anchor than Wiggins does as an offensive one.
2. Andrew Wiggins - for reasons stated. Certainly the future looks bright for him.
3. Elfrid Payton - Probably seems like a real slap in the fact to Mirotic, but Payton had a lot asked of him all year and he did solid under that pressure.
MIP
1. Rudy Gobert - by a country mile. Going from a guy many (including me) couldn't pick out of a pile of other big man stiffs, to being the single scariest defender in the game, it's just huge. Incidentally, sometimes 2nd year players get DQed because they are seen as simply doing what everyone expected them to do. Gobert was not expected, and so I could use that as his loophole, but really he serves better as an example for why no one should get DQed. Had things bounced differently before the draft, he almost certainly goes much higher. That shouldn't have any effect on how we see it when a guy makes the leap.
2. Jimmy Butler - yeah, as has been pointed out by many, he's a worthy candidate here.
3. Hassan Whiteside - I penalize him in this category because he only played half the year, but still, extraordinary jump.
6MOY
1. Andre Iguodala
2. Tristan Thompson
3. Boris Diaw
I'll just address all 3 at once: To me it makes no sense to consider a 6th Man from a bad team here without addressing the necessary huge WTF involved. That being: The top 6th Men on great teams are fulfilling a role that the vast majority of semi-stars on crappy teams couldn't do, and should be seen as a higher echelon than those guys as a result. I think Iguodala was a clear cut case of this from the beginning of the year, and Thompson is now: These guys are a hell of a lot more noteworthy that ANY STARTER on the Celtics...so how exactly can the guy who can't start on the Celtics get the nod over them?
There is room to say "Well actually, he should be starting?", but short of that, I think people need to remember how unimportant it is to be "the first guy off the bench" on a team that isn't even worth turning the TV on for.
COY
1. Steve Kerr - okay, so I officially have a crush on Kerr. What a legendary entrance into the coaching ranks. You could write a book on how he evaluates his players, how he asks him to do things, how he assembles his coaching brain trust, and how he keeps an environment of effective brainstorming. Surely there was luck too, but there's just no reason to think that Kerr couldn't run really any kind of organization the way he's done things here.
2. Mike Budenholzer - Stock has fallen some as the Hawks came down to earth, but we still saw major improvements from this team on many fronts in making a very solid team out of no talents that are really that exciting.
3. Jason Kidd - A very impressive first year in Milwaukee. He definitely pushed the right buttons. I'm not really a "do more with less" holy grail-er though. I've seen plenty of times in the past where someone does something very impressive all things considered, but never actually takes that last step toward greatness. If and when Kidd does it, then he'll leapfrog others in these awards.
EOY
1. Bob Myers - Here's where I have to emphasize again: The EOY is a weird award for many reasons, but one is that one guy is the figure head for an Executive Team that can include the actual Owner. It's one thing to praise a guy like Kerr for choosing to add Gentry to his staff, but Myers is arguably only the 4th most powerful person in the room for the big Warrior decisions (owner, son, Jerry West), why should he get the award? There's just no other way to give awards for executives other than to treat each candidate's name like they are doing the same thing. And I personally don't really mind just saying, "The Warriors did the smartest stuff this year".
On that note, there's just no way around it: The Warriors could have kept Coach Jackson and traded for Love. Both moves would have made sense. They did neither, and both ended up being about as HUGE as huge can get. Sure there's some luck involved, but their reasoning made sense even though it cut against the grain, and to me that's the most impressive thing you can do as an executive team.
2. David Griffin - I've been railing against Griffin all year, but he still gets my #2 spot frankly because it was a really weak year for candidates. Griffin gets absolutely NO credit for LeBron, and very little for Love. But the Mozgov acquisition was absolutely crucial. One can - and I do - knock the move to a degree based on the fact that we all knew the Cavs needed a legit big, but that only puts Griffin behind an exec team like the Warriors. Fact is, Griffin did what needed to be done, and because of that the Cavs could well have won a title this year. That ain't nothing.
3. Danny Ainge - You can actually make a real case Ainge deserves this award. Dude just keeps making small deals that amount to stealing the jewels one sliver at a time. But to me those little things are on their own are not enough to put a guy above others who actually made BIG moves in a given year.
Player of the Year:
1. Steph Curry - this one's just plain easy. The team worked like a dream, and while it's a great ensemble, I don't know if I've ever seen a scorer freak out a defense more than that Curry did to his opponents.
2. LeBron James - I'm still really debating whether LeBron deserves to leap up from the 4th spot where I had him at the end of the regular season. I'm on record having major concerns about how he played. Fact is though that the Cavs can claim to be the best team for the second half of the year, and even with injuries fought the champs as well as anyone else in the playoffs. LeBron is the engine making that happen.
To be clear: I just copy and pasted this wording from my rough draft, but it's still really true. I'm still not really clear on where to put LeBron.
3. James Harden - the king of Lift this year. In the regular season, no one did more with less.
4. Chris Paul - I fully understand those who have Paul higher here. It's a weird situation. If the Clippers close out that Game 6 against Houston with ease, he definitely surpasses Harden on my list. Harden isn't the reason that didn't happen and so he doesn't deserve to be rewarded for it. Similarly Paul played well, he doesn't deserve to be punished. The fact remains though that all of our objective measures say that Harden had a bigger lift in the regular season, and then for all intents and purposes his team upset Paul's team in the playoffs having a better record with Paul on the floor than without him. It's not a reason to drop Paul, but searching for a reason to raise Paul, I just don't see it.
5. Anthony Davis - an absolute giant awakening. A case can be made he's already the best player in the world. But while it's clear at this point that he's having superstar impact, he's not proven in terms of leading truly epic teams. While I don't doubt Davis will get there, the fact is that right now he's doing his thing on a team that isn't going to scale the way it's currently playing.
Honorable Mention in alphabetical order:
Marc Gasol - got a little overhyped this year as a legit MVP threat, but he remains the foundation of a strong team on both sides of the ball
Draymond Green - no question in my mind at all he deserves to be here. Playoffs made it utterly laughable that Klay Thompson is considered by most the 2nd star of the Warriors.
kWh Leonard - there's now no doubt that Leonard is a superstar talent that the Spurs can continue to build around
John Wall - there are several guys around the same tier as Wall, but to me he has the season with the fewest blemishes of the bunch
Russell Westbrook - as I've indicated, I've got major issues with Westbrook's play this year, to the point where I question whether he deserves a spot here. Realistically though there wasn't really a doubt in my mind that with a healthy season he'd be a strong candidate for a Top 10 spot, and it's awfully hard to literally penalize Westbrook for what he does in a no win scenario so long as he's working his ass off. And that he surely was.
Offensive POY
1. Steph Curry - realistically the kitchen sink was thrown at the guy, and the scheme built around him still worked. He's done more this year to put his name next to the dictionary definition of "Offensive Anchor" than anyone else.
2. James Harden - no one lifted his team's offense more. He loses out because I simply have more confidence in building around Curry's offense than Harden's the way Houston is currently using him.
3. Chris Paul - 3rd on the list but still has an excellent case for winning the thing. The Clipper offense worked so well I feel like a bad person saying it, but I feel like he and Griffin still aren't fully realizing their potential together.
Defensive POY
1. Draymond Green - an easy choice for me after the playoffs are over. I questioned how he'd fit in against serious opposing threats of size. Turns out he that no matter the Warriors adapt, Green remains incredibly useful and that their big (Bogut) is the guy who fits in less well.
2. Khris Middleton - the "quiet Draymond" this year. Very much of the same breed of players who we didn't used to think of in this light. Middleton has yet to really prove it in the playoffs, but at this point I see no reason to leave him off this list considering what he did all year.
3. Rudy Gobert - The Jazz were 27th in defense for the first half of the year, and 2nd for the second half. Hard to imagine not giving him the mythical DPO-Half-Y, but how to factor in the first half? Well the reality is Gobert was helping the defense all year, and played more minutes than Kawhi. So tough as it is, he squeaks in the 3rd spot here.
ROY
1. Nerlens Noel - It was between he and Wiggins for me. Mirotic had a hell of a month or so, but for the most part he just had a much smaller role than these other guys did, and he's a lot older, which if I'm honest does matter to me here. Between the two putative budding superstars, who both showed improvement over the course of the year, the thing is that Noel can point to actual team effect more than Wiggins. In the second half of the year Noel's team did considerably better than Wiggins' did when they were each on the floor, and specifically it was happening because of defense...which is Noel's forte. Simply put, Noel seems more established as a defensive anchor than Wiggins does as an offensive one.
2. Andrew Wiggins - for reasons stated. Certainly the future looks bright for him.
3. Elfrid Payton - Probably seems like a real slap in the fact to Mirotic, but Payton had a lot asked of him all year and he did solid under that pressure.
MIP
1. Rudy Gobert - by a country mile. Going from a guy many (including me) couldn't pick out of a pile of other big man stiffs, to being the single scariest defender in the game, it's just huge. Incidentally, sometimes 2nd year players get DQed because they are seen as simply doing what everyone expected them to do. Gobert was not expected, and so I could use that as his loophole, but really he serves better as an example for why no one should get DQed. Had things bounced differently before the draft, he almost certainly goes much higher. That shouldn't have any effect on how we see it when a guy makes the leap.
2. Jimmy Butler - yeah, as has been pointed out by many, he's a worthy candidate here.
3. Hassan Whiteside - I penalize him in this category because he only played half the year, but still, extraordinary jump.
6MOY
1. Andre Iguodala
2. Tristan Thompson
3. Boris Diaw
I'll just address all 3 at once: To me it makes no sense to consider a 6th Man from a bad team here without addressing the necessary huge WTF involved. That being: The top 6th Men on great teams are fulfilling a role that the vast majority of semi-stars on crappy teams couldn't do, and should be seen as a higher echelon than those guys as a result. I think Iguodala was a clear cut case of this from the beginning of the year, and Thompson is now: These guys are a hell of a lot more noteworthy that ANY STARTER on the Celtics...so how exactly can the guy who can't start on the Celtics get the nod over them?
There is room to say "Well actually, he should be starting?", but short of that, I think people need to remember how unimportant it is to be "the first guy off the bench" on a team that isn't even worth turning the TV on for.
COY
1. Steve Kerr - okay, so I officially have a crush on Kerr. What a legendary entrance into the coaching ranks. You could write a book on how he evaluates his players, how he asks him to do things, how he assembles his coaching brain trust, and how he keeps an environment of effective brainstorming. Surely there was luck too, but there's just no reason to think that Kerr couldn't run really any kind of organization the way he's done things here.
2. Mike Budenholzer - Stock has fallen some as the Hawks came down to earth, but we still saw major improvements from this team on many fronts in making a very solid team out of no talents that are really that exciting.
3. Jason Kidd - A very impressive first year in Milwaukee. He definitely pushed the right buttons. I'm not really a "do more with less" holy grail-er though. I've seen plenty of times in the past where someone does something very impressive all things considered, but never actually takes that last step toward greatness. If and when Kidd does it, then he'll leapfrog others in these awards.
EOY
1. Bob Myers - Here's where I have to emphasize again: The EOY is a weird award for many reasons, but one is that one guy is the figure head for an Executive Team that can include the actual Owner. It's one thing to praise a guy like Kerr for choosing to add Gentry to his staff, but Myers is arguably only the 4th most powerful person in the room for the big Warrior decisions (owner, son, Jerry West), why should he get the award? There's just no other way to give awards for executives other than to treat each candidate's name like they are doing the same thing. And I personally don't really mind just saying, "The Warriors did the smartest stuff this year".
On that note, there's just no way around it: The Warriors could have kept Coach Jackson and traded for Love. Both moves would have made sense. They did neither, and both ended up being about as HUGE as huge can get. Sure there's some luck involved, but their reasoning made sense even though it cut against the grain, and to me that's the most impressive thing you can do as an executive team.
2. David Griffin - I've been railing against Griffin all year, but he still gets my #2 spot frankly because it was a really weak year for candidates. Griffin gets absolutely NO credit for LeBron, and very little for Love. But the Mozgov acquisition was absolutely crucial. One can - and I do - knock the move to a degree based on the fact that we all knew the Cavs needed a legit big, but that only puts Griffin behind an exec team like the Warriors. Fact is, Griffin did what needed to be done, and because of that the Cavs could well have won a title this year. That ain't nothing.
3. Danny Ainge - You can actually make a real case Ainge deserves this award. Dude just keeps making small deals that amount to stealing the jewels one sliver at a time. But to me those little things are on their own are not enough to put a guy above others who actually made BIG moves in a given year.
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Only voting for RPOY now, might edit in the ohters if I have time
1. Curry
Clearly best RS, Outstanding offensive impact and neutral to very slightly positive impact. He had a Great PS and a very good finals.
He has possibly GOAT level Anti-Gravity ( if we assume gravity how close the defenders position themselves to the rim ) and that has allowed him to anchor Starting lineup without an actual post player or another wing. Iggy/Bogut/Green are all plus passers for their position but without curry there's not any really consistent shot creators (beside Livingston and his specialty is the midrange ) which would lead to a lot of sets going nowhere.
2. James, had possibly the 4th best RS and is where he is on my list due to playoff play. He stepped it up in a huge way once love went down and than once again for kyrie. He turned into a super russell westbrook rebounding like a C, running a racket on the AST%/TOV% numbers and played very well defensively for most of the playoffs until around game 5 or 6. Sweeping the Hawks and winning twice against the Warriors was not what was supposed to happen with this level of suport. I'vwe never seen a team depend on one player more. However the RS gap is too much for lebron to make up.
3. Harden, Improved on both ends and showed up in the playoffs for the first time since San Antonio 2012. He had the second best Regular season and was almost as good as curry offensively. Despite being still a negative on defense, he wasnt giving back a huge amount like he was last year, he was simply kind of bad instead of worthy of laughter from the entirety of the NBA. He was providing the most lift that anyone could in the nba to Houston and while he was more ball dominant than steph he frequently made good decisions with the ball that justified it. The lack of a parsons also made him shoulder more offensive responsibility not to mention the hospital loving cast he walked to the postseason with. He played Great in the playoffs and gave the warriors almost as much of a punch as lebron. He is 3 but this is a very close vote with him versus lebron, he went out with a horrific game 5 but he still put up 115 ORTG with 28/8/6 on only 63.2% TS through.
4. Chris Paul, If you've got a background in Advanced Stats and a soul, you cant help feel sorry for this guy, he's consistently put up in the good fight in years past as his team faces better teams and he gets the lion share of the blame despite not having the support. However as much as I like the guy and he was at harden's level for much of the Rs, I have to say I still have concerns about how valuable he can really be in his current role.
While I believe that Paul absolutely could have been a #1 Alpha in 08 or 09 his current state of athleticism coupled with the relative predictability of his game introduces some doubt about how much Chaos he can cause to opposing defenses. I believe that for offensive stars unpredictability is an important part of the game, because it makes defenses second guess themselves, foul because their afraid of being out of position and under/over rotation. Point is it can soften a defense and indirectly make it easier for others to attack. This is why I think his offense wasnt as impactful vs the Rockets wasnt as dominant as the stats say it was. It was still very good but I cant put him above these three guys.
Anyways diatribe aside I think Paul still had a wonderfully effective year, passing and scoring especially in the playoffs. This was a close call as well, but his missing of two games and the clippers collapse prevents me from taking Paul over Harden. He Still had a Great Playoffs and this year was his best since 2008 and 2009.
5. Davis, Had a Great year, 30 PER hahaha. Seriously Davis has a multifaceted game and if he can turn all those facets on, absolute greatness will flow out of him. He isnt quite as his peak yet but there are just so few things you could even call weaknesses of his, yet so many strengths.
On offense you have
- A guy with a very good jump shot for a 4 from midrange
- A great faceup game
- A huge lob threat
- a decent post game, and he can punish smaller guys
- a great knowledge of cutting
- putback monster
- great handles for a big
- Good passing instincts for a big
149-26 bad pass ratio = 5.73 assists - bad pass a great ratio ( Garnett, Griffin and Webber were routinely around 5-7 )
Defensively
- fast hands
- great lateral mobility
- quick leaping and 2nd jump ability
- rebounding
- decent rotations
- great at forcing PG/SG into tough jumpers
- doesnt even struggle with almost any post player anymore
Great 4 game playoff run, the warriors said we'll let him get his and Davis Gladly accepted the task
Putting up 32/11/2 on 61 TS% with 116 ORTG against the #1 defense
This guy is gold.
Offensive Player of the Year
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Paul
Defensive player of the year
1. Kawhi
2. Green
3. Gobert
ROY
1. Noel
2. Wiggins
3. Mirotic
MIP
1. Gordon Hayward
2. Draymond Green
3. Jimmy Butler
1. Curry
Clearly best RS, Outstanding offensive impact and neutral to very slightly positive impact. He had a Great PS and a very good finals.
He has possibly GOAT level Anti-Gravity ( if we assume gravity how close the defenders position themselves to the rim ) and that has allowed him to anchor Starting lineup without an actual post player or another wing. Iggy/Bogut/Green are all plus passers for their position but without curry there's not any really consistent shot creators (beside Livingston and his specialty is the midrange ) which would lead to a lot of sets going nowhere.
2. James, had possibly the 4th best RS and is where he is on my list due to playoff play. He stepped it up in a huge way once love went down and than once again for kyrie. He turned into a super russell westbrook rebounding like a C, running a racket on the AST%/TOV% numbers and played very well defensively for most of the playoffs until around game 5 or 6. Sweeping the Hawks and winning twice against the Warriors was not what was supposed to happen with this level of suport. I'vwe never seen a team depend on one player more. However the RS gap is too much for lebron to make up.
3. Harden, Improved on both ends and showed up in the playoffs for the first time since San Antonio 2012. He had the second best Regular season and was almost as good as curry offensively. Despite being still a negative on defense, he wasnt giving back a huge amount like he was last year, he was simply kind of bad instead of worthy of laughter from the entirety of the NBA. He was providing the most lift that anyone could in the nba to Houston and while he was more ball dominant than steph he frequently made good decisions with the ball that justified it. The lack of a parsons also made him shoulder more offensive responsibility not to mention the hospital loving cast he walked to the postseason with. He played Great in the playoffs and gave the warriors almost as much of a punch as lebron. He is 3 but this is a very close vote with him versus lebron, he went out with a horrific game 5 but he still put up 115 ORTG with 28/8/6 on only 63.2% TS through.
4. Chris Paul, If you've got a background in Advanced Stats and a soul, you cant help feel sorry for this guy, he's consistently put up in the good fight in years past as his team faces better teams and he gets the lion share of the blame despite not having the support. However as much as I like the guy and he was at harden's level for much of the Rs, I have to say I still have concerns about how valuable he can really be in his current role.
While I believe that Paul absolutely could have been a #1 Alpha in 08 or 09 his current state of athleticism coupled with the relative predictability of his game introduces some doubt about how much Chaos he can cause to opposing defenses. I believe that for offensive stars unpredictability is an important part of the game, because it makes defenses second guess themselves, foul because their afraid of being out of position and under/over rotation. Point is it can soften a defense and indirectly make it easier for others to attack. This is why I think his offense wasnt as impactful vs the Rockets wasnt as dominant as the stats say it was. It was still very good but I cant put him above these three guys.
Anyways diatribe aside I think Paul still had a wonderfully effective year, passing and scoring especially in the playoffs. This was a close call as well, but his missing of two games and the clippers collapse prevents me from taking Paul over Harden. He Still had a Great Playoffs and this year was his best since 2008 and 2009.
5. Davis, Had a Great year, 30 PER hahaha. Seriously Davis has a multifaceted game and if he can turn all those facets on, absolute greatness will flow out of him. He isnt quite as his peak yet but there are just so few things you could even call weaknesses of his, yet so many strengths.
On offense you have
- A guy with a very good jump shot for a 4 from midrange
- A great faceup game
- A huge lob threat
- a decent post game, and he can punish smaller guys
- a great knowledge of cutting
- putback monster
- great handles for a big
- Good passing instincts for a big
149-26 bad pass ratio = 5.73 assists - bad pass a great ratio ( Garnett, Griffin and Webber were routinely around 5-7 )
Defensively
- fast hands
- great lateral mobility
- quick leaping and 2nd jump ability
- rebounding
- decent rotations
- great at forcing PG/SG into tough jumpers
- doesnt even struggle with almost any post player anymore
Great 4 game playoff run, the warriors said we'll let him get his and Davis Gladly accepted the task
Putting up 32/11/2 on 61 TS% with 116 ORTG against the #1 defense
This guy is gold.
Offensive Player of the Year
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. Paul
Defensive player of the year
1. Kawhi
2. Green
3. Gobert
ROY
1. Noel
2. Wiggins
3. Mirotic
MIP
1. Gordon Hayward
2. Draymond Green
3. Jimmy Butler
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POY:
1. Stephen Curry: don't think I need to explain this one, this dude probably gonna be unanimous.
2. LeBron James: While I think he is the best player in the league, he wasn't so pre-injury. Playoffs were awesome, he did literally every single thing well except score efficiently. Ran the offense really well, and was his team's best defensive player as well. He was the offensive and defensive anchor of a Finals team
3. Chris Paul: I think if his team didn't collapse with a 3-1 lead he would've locked up #2 on my list. Harden went further than him, but I think CP is just a better player, both offensively and defensively.
4. Harden: great regular season, great post season for his standards. I think his first two games in the WCF might've been the top 2 games of the playoffs, so that was cool to see.
5. Davis: special player with a special series against the best team in the league.
HM: Westbrook, Leonard, Blake, Gasol, Wall.
OPOY:
1. Curry: again, very easy. Dude gave a great Cleveland defense fits in the finals by being 24 feet from the hoop. And that was no anomaly.
2. Paul: I think he's more a 1b than a 2 here. Complete control of the game on offense and very efficient.
3. LeBron: SSB provided some great numbers through out the season and in the POY thread as well. Cleveland was running a 9+ offense with him post injury. Very impressive, and the PS were as well, despite the atrocious offensive efficiency in the finals which I'm gonna chalk up to injuries, fatigue, and the game plan.
DPOY:
1. Draymond: just as important to GS's defense as Curry was to their offense. Maybe more.
2. Kawhi Leonard: a continuation of last year, and an embodiment of the new perimeter defensive anchors.
3. Rudy Gobert: despite the rise in importance of the perimeter anchor, a paint anchor is still just as crucial as ever.
MIP:
1. Hassan Whiteside: despite the limited sample size, still a great leap. Dude was at the YMCA in October and is getting max contract talk now.
2. Jimmy Butler: defensive drop off, but the offensive improvement makes up for it.
3. Rudy Gobert: the defense is special and he's a true game changer on that end. I had no idea who he was last year.
6 MOY:
1. Andre Iguodala: the Finals MVP was the cherry on top of an exceptional season despite the low raw numbers. He's a jack of all, fitting into whatever the team needs. True team player and true MVP.
2. Tristan Thompson: great replacement after Love went down. Big factor in their great playoff defense.
3. Lou Will: thought he played outside the offense a bunch of times, but he was a real spark and won the Raptors a few games with his shot making. Traditional 6th man pick.
COY:
1. Mike Bud: his team fell apart in the CF, but that was partly due to injuries and partly due to just facing LeBron James. No one expected them to win 60 games and get the #1 seed. No one.
2. Steve Kerr: he was dealt a great hand, but still deserves credit for making it work. We saw its possible to screw that situation up last year (Mark Jackson).
3. David Blatt: So many expectations, so much pressure. Thought he did a great job coaching in the playoffs. Out coached every coach in his way other than Kerr, which he did for the first 3 games. But then again there weren't that many adjustments he could've responded with in the finals, his options were severely limited.
1. Stephen Curry: don't think I need to explain this one, this dude probably gonna be unanimous.
2. LeBron James: While I think he is the best player in the league, he wasn't so pre-injury. Playoffs were awesome, he did literally every single thing well except score efficiently. Ran the offense really well, and was his team's best defensive player as well. He was the offensive and defensive anchor of a Finals team
3. Chris Paul: I think if his team didn't collapse with a 3-1 lead he would've locked up #2 on my list. Harden went further than him, but I think CP is just a better player, both offensively and defensively.
4. Harden: great regular season, great post season for his standards. I think his first two games in the WCF might've been the top 2 games of the playoffs, so that was cool to see.
5. Davis: special player with a special series against the best team in the league.
HM: Westbrook, Leonard, Blake, Gasol, Wall.
OPOY:
1. Curry: again, very easy. Dude gave a great Cleveland defense fits in the finals by being 24 feet from the hoop. And that was no anomaly.
2. Paul: I think he's more a 1b than a 2 here. Complete control of the game on offense and very efficient.
3. LeBron: SSB provided some great numbers through out the season and in the POY thread as well. Cleveland was running a 9+ offense with him post injury. Very impressive, and the PS were as well, despite the atrocious offensive efficiency in the finals which I'm gonna chalk up to injuries, fatigue, and the game plan.
DPOY:
1. Draymond: just as important to GS's defense as Curry was to their offense. Maybe more.
2. Kawhi Leonard: a continuation of last year, and an embodiment of the new perimeter defensive anchors.
3. Rudy Gobert: despite the rise in importance of the perimeter anchor, a paint anchor is still just as crucial as ever.
MIP:
1. Hassan Whiteside: despite the limited sample size, still a great leap. Dude was at the YMCA in October and is getting max contract talk now.
2. Jimmy Butler: defensive drop off, but the offensive improvement makes up for it.
3. Rudy Gobert: the defense is special and he's a true game changer on that end. I had no idea who he was last year.
6 MOY:
1. Andre Iguodala: the Finals MVP was the cherry on top of an exceptional season despite the low raw numbers. He's a jack of all, fitting into whatever the team needs. True team player and true MVP.
2. Tristan Thompson: great replacement after Love went down. Big factor in their great playoff defense.
3. Lou Will: thought he played outside the offense a bunch of times, but he was a real spark and won the Raptors a few games with his shot making. Traditional 6th man pick.
COY:
1. Mike Bud: his team fell apart in the CF, but that was partly due to injuries and partly due to just facing LeBron James. No one expected them to win 60 games and get the #1 seed. No one.
2. Steve Kerr: he was dealt a great hand, but still deserves credit for making it work. We saw its possible to screw that situation up last year (Mark Jackson).
3. David Blatt: So many expectations, so much pressure. Thought he did a great job coaching in the playoffs. Out coached every coach in his way other than Kerr, which he did for the first 3 games. But then again there weren't that many adjustments he could've responded with in the finals, his options were severely limited.
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POY
1. Cp3
2. Steph
3. Lebron
4. Davis
5. Westbrook
HM: Harden, Kawhi, Cousins, Blake, Wall
Offensive POY
1. Steph
2. Cp3
3. Harden
I think Steph and Cp3 is a tossup, but ill go with Steph for superior portability and offball game. Even tho i think Cp3 is much better onball, best midrange shooter this season, pickandroll and generally is more reliable in the halfcourt. Steph knows when to pick his shots and increase his volume when his team needs it. Thats been a knock on Cp3 pretty much his whole career and i dont think he will ever get it. Honorable mentions to Westbrook and Lebron who i think are arguably better than Harden on offense, but he has a larger body of work, he just proved me wrong in the playoffs, had some alltime bad stinkers, but some alltime great performances too. That near 50pt first quarter he led against golden state was INSANE
Defensive POY
1. Draymond
2. Tony
3. Kawhi
I think Tonys the best defender in the league but i had to dock him for the minutes/missed time. Draymond isnt far behind plus his minutes/role he took this season was massive. Biggest reason they can go small and still keep alot of their defensive principle. Tony is the defensive anchor of the Grizz, Marc is very important for that he does for their defense but his impact (and weaknesses and protecting paint) isnt on Tonys level. I think its clear now. The way he pretty much singlehandedly destroyed the Warriors perimeter offense in games 2 and 3 were insane and he was hurt all series too. Its a shame but i wouldve loved to a see a healthy Tony and Conley in that series. Its very tough to leave Gobert out, hes my early favorite for DPOY next season. Honorable mention to Bogut as well
ROY
1. Noel
2. Niko
3. Wiggins
MIP
1. Gobert-very impressive year i think after his showing against Spain he was on alot of ppls radars but he legit looks like an alltime great defensive anchor in the making. Who saw THAT coming even with his already earthshattering physical gifts?
2. Jimmy
3. Whiteside
6MOY
1. Iggy- honestly this is one of the best 6th man seasons of alltime. I dont think its being given enough credit even after the finals MVP. He is still very much in the discussion with the best perimeter defenders in basketball, his ballhandling, passing and transition game were HUGE. Especially when Warriors were struggling against teams to pick up their tempo/pace he was almost always the sparkplug. I wouldnt put it on the level of 05 Manu, 86 Walton, best 6M Mchale seasons but i think he might be better than anyone else (prolly a couple others i cant think off ATM)
2. Tristan
3. Lou
COY
1. Brad Stevens-This might look like a bit of a homer pick but hes the best coach in the league. For this criteria i guess team success has to count a bit against him but his ingame adjustments are 2nd to none. Just look at the team we have i have no clue how we had the 18th ranked offense. Look at that roster and IT only played 20 games. We execute extremely well our offense isnt talent at all. I mean Kerr and Bud have numerous offensive players better than our best discounting IT who played 20 games (Steph, Klay, Lee, Iggy, Teague, Korver, Millsap, Horford), and numerous defensive players too (Draymond, Bogut, Iggy, Millsap, Carroll, Thabo). Im more confident giving the large bulk of the credit of the teams success to Stevens too, on both ends of the court. We cant ignore Ron Adams is one of the best defensive minds of this era, and Gentry tho to a lesser extent on offense. Its also VERY telling that we played Cleveland (a healthy one at that) MUCH closer than Atlanta did. Yeah Atlanta missed Korver late in the series but they were already getting abused and that was with Love out and Kyrie missing games. Both got swept but we put up a better fight and against a healthy Cleveland which might well be the best team in basketball
2. Steve Kerr-he is legit but i dont know how legit yet. No Gentry next year so will see. What i like about Kerr he has no problems giving credit to his defensive coaches for adjustments like Ron Adams or that assistant coach that told them to go small in the finals. He is great at judgment calls, he helped built a great culture and offense. I want to see more of him next season
3. Bud-very disappointing postseason but he is great at building a culture/system, just couldnt adjust at all in the playoffs, Brooklyn who should never be in the playoffs gave them alot of problems. When Korver was defended as tight as he was in the playoffs they looked lost on offense. Now he deserves credit for using Korver the way he did all season but in the 2nd half and the playoffs Korvers impact considerably fell so it could just be him regressing/teams gameplanning better.
I want to give Blatt an honorable mention. He stepped it up in the playoffs while he was underwhelming early on. He may very well be the 2nd best defensive coach behind Thibs. I think Brad outcoached him, but he got the better of Thibs and Bud and went toe to toe with Kerr in the finals. As for Jason Kidd i dont know yet. I think hes a top 10 coach for sure, their offense is still bad and im inclined to believe the defensive coordinator the Bucks have deserves more credit than him for their D.
EOY
1. Myers
2. Ainge
3. Morey
1. Cp3
2. Steph
3. Lebron
4. Davis
5. Westbrook
HM: Harden, Kawhi, Cousins, Blake, Wall
Offensive POY
1. Steph
2. Cp3
3. Harden
I think Steph and Cp3 is a tossup, but ill go with Steph for superior portability and offball game. Even tho i think Cp3 is much better onball, best midrange shooter this season, pickandroll and generally is more reliable in the halfcourt. Steph knows when to pick his shots and increase his volume when his team needs it. Thats been a knock on Cp3 pretty much his whole career and i dont think he will ever get it. Honorable mentions to Westbrook and Lebron who i think are arguably better than Harden on offense, but he has a larger body of work, he just proved me wrong in the playoffs, had some alltime bad stinkers, but some alltime great performances too. That near 50pt first quarter he led against golden state was INSANE
Defensive POY
1. Draymond
2. Tony
3. Kawhi
I think Tonys the best defender in the league but i had to dock him for the minutes/missed time. Draymond isnt far behind plus his minutes/role he took this season was massive. Biggest reason they can go small and still keep alot of their defensive principle. Tony is the defensive anchor of the Grizz, Marc is very important for that he does for their defense but his impact (and weaknesses and protecting paint) isnt on Tonys level. I think its clear now. The way he pretty much singlehandedly destroyed the Warriors perimeter offense in games 2 and 3 were insane and he was hurt all series too. Its a shame but i wouldve loved to a see a healthy Tony and Conley in that series. Its very tough to leave Gobert out, hes my early favorite for DPOY next season. Honorable mention to Bogut as well
ROY
1. Noel
2. Niko
3. Wiggins
MIP
1. Gobert-very impressive year i think after his showing against Spain he was on alot of ppls radars but he legit looks like an alltime great defensive anchor in the making. Who saw THAT coming even with his already earthshattering physical gifts?
2. Jimmy
3. Whiteside
6MOY
1. Iggy- honestly this is one of the best 6th man seasons of alltime. I dont think its being given enough credit even after the finals MVP. He is still very much in the discussion with the best perimeter defenders in basketball, his ballhandling, passing and transition game were HUGE. Especially when Warriors were struggling against teams to pick up their tempo/pace he was almost always the sparkplug. I wouldnt put it on the level of 05 Manu, 86 Walton, best 6M Mchale seasons but i think he might be better than anyone else (prolly a couple others i cant think off ATM)
2. Tristan
3. Lou
COY
1. Brad Stevens-This might look like a bit of a homer pick but hes the best coach in the league. For this criteria i guess team success has to count a bit against him but his ingame adjustments are 2nd to none. Just look at the team we have i have no clue how we had the 18th ranked offense. Look at that roster and IT only played 20 games. We execute extremely well our offense isnt talent at all. I mean Kerr and Bud have numerous offensive players better than our best discounting IT who played 20 games (Steph, Klay, Lee, Iggy, Teague, Korver, Millsap, Horford), and numerous defensive players too (Draymond, Bogut, Iggy, Millsap, Carroll, Thabo). Im more confident giving the large bulk of the credit of the teams success to Stevens too, on both ends of the court. We cant ignore Ron Adams is one of the best defensive minds of this era, and Gentry tho to a lesser extent on offense. Its also VERY telling that we played Cleveland (a healthy one at that) MUCH closer than Atlanta did. Yeah Atlanta missed Korver late in the series but they were already getting abused and that was with Love out and Kyrie missing games. Both got swept but we put up a better fight and against a healthy Cleveland which might well be the best team in basketball
2. Steve Kerr-he is legit but i dont know how legit yet. No Gentry next year so will see. What i like about Kerr he has no problems giving credit to his defensive coaches for adjustments like Ron Adams or that assistant coach that told them to go small in the finals. He is great at judgment calls, he helped built a great culture and offense. I want to see more of him next season
3. Bud-very disappointing postseason but he is great at building a culture/system, just couldnt adjust at all in the playoffs, Brooklyn who should never be in the playoffs gave them alot of problems. When Korver was defended as tight as he was in the playoffs they looked lost on offense. Now he deserves credit for using Korver the way he did all season but in the 2nd half and the playoffs Korvers impact considerably fell so it could just be him regressing/teams gameplanning better.
I want to give Blatt an honorable mention. He stepped it up in the playoffs while he was underwhelming early on. He may very well be the 2nd best defensive coach behind Thibs. I think Brad outcoached him, but he got the better of Thibs and Bud and went toe to toe with Kerr in the finals. As for Jason Kidd i dont know yet. I think hes a top 10 coach for sure, their offense is still bad and im inclined to believe the defensive coordinator the Bucks have deserves more credit than him for their D.
EOY
1. Myers
2. Ainge
3. Morey