All-time top 25 as of 2025: Who's in, who's out?

Jim Naismith · Post #1 » by **Jim Naismith** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:47 am

Do you think these players be in the all-time top 25 as of the year 2025?

Current RealGM Top 25
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
11. Kevin Garnett
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kobe Bryant
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Karl Malone
18. David Robinson
19. Moses Malone
20. Charles Barkley
21. Bob Pettit
22. Patrick Ewing
23. Dwyane Wade
24. George Mikan
25. Steve Nash

mischievous · Post #2 » by **mischievous** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:52 am

I say Westbrook and Paul won't make it.

RCM88x · Post #3 » by **RCM88x** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:57 am

Wade probably slips out.

eminence · Post #4 » by **eminence** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:10 am

Davis/Kawhi/Giannis/other young stars should have enough seasons in the bag by that point to have a chance as well (given health and continued good play).

mtron929 · Post #5 » by **mtron929** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:13 am

It is interesting how much more difficult it is to crack top 20-25 as time passes by. In 50 years, guys like Shaq might be on the edge of the top 20 list and you would need to be better than Shaq to even crack the list.

Colbinii · Post #6 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:35 am

mischievous wrote:I say Westbrook and Paul won't make it.

I already have CP3 in the top 25, so I obviously disagree with that part. I don't see Westbrook, nor Harden, making the cut.

I see Petit, Mikan, Moses, and Nash slipping outside of the top 25 in many people's eyes. I would think that CP3, Durant, Harden and Curry would be the next 4 to get it if this is indeed the top 25 we are going by, and retired players can't move up. I don't have the same top 25, but these would be the 4 players that I think will be behind the 4 (CP3, Durant, Harden, Curry) players on my list.

mischievous · Post #7 » by **mischievous** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:42 am

Colbinii wrote:
mischievous wrote:I say Westbrook and Paul won't make it.

I already have CP3 in the top 25, so I obviously disagree with that part. I don't see Westbrook, nor Harden, making the cut.

I see Petit, Mikan, Moses, and Nash slipping outside of the top 25 in many people's eyes. I would think that CP3, Durant, Harden and Curry would be the next 4 to get it if this is indeed the top 25 we are going by, and retired players can't move up. I don't have the same top 25, but these would be the 4 players that I think will be behind the 4 (CP3, Durant, Harden, Curry) players on my list.

Well the top 25 list from the project isn't gospel. I wouldn't have Ewing, or Mikan in my top 25 and probably not Nash either. I think Mikan has no business being there at all.

Colbinii · Post #8 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:46 am

mischievous wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
mischievous wrote:I say Westbrook and Paul won't make it.

I already have CP3 in the top 25, so I obviously disagree with that part. I don't see Westbrook, nor Harden, making the cut.

I see Petit, Mikan, Moses, and Nash slipping outside of the top 25 in many people's eyes. I would think that CP3, Durant, Harden and Curry would be the next 4 to get it if this is indeed the top 25 we are going by, and retired players can't move up. I don't have the same top 25, but these would be the 4 players that I think will be behind the 4 (CP3, Durant, Harden, Curry) players on my list.

Well the top 25 list from the project isn't gospel. I wouldn't have Ewing, or Mikan in my top 25 and probably not Nash either. I think Mikan has no business being there at all.

Of course it isn't gospel. I am simply going by that list, subtracting my lowest 4 and adding 4 players who I believe will end up higher than those 4.

Jim Naismith · Post #9 » by **Jim Naismith** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:03 am

Colbinii wrote:I already have CP3 in the top 25, so I obviously disagree with that part.

CP3 could both be in your 2017 top 25 but also drop out of your 2025 top 25.

Winsome Gerbil · Post #10 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:26 am

Only 1 I can say for sure is in is Durant. Curry and Westbrook can both do it if they have another 5 years left in them. Then maybe a Davis or new guy (Embiid?). Wade, Ewing, Nash, Mikan (who can be placed anywhere), Petit (similar) are all vulnerable if that's your list.

AdagioPace · Post #11 » by **AdagioPace** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:45 am

Those in the top 10 will be fine for decades and enjoy their status. Cracking the top 10 requires a combination of mvps,peak,prime,longevity,two way playing,RANGZ as the main guy (many >2) and finals mvps. Not even Curry and Durant would have a chance unless they win 4 rings in the next 4 years but even in that case the argument in favour of those above would still be strong enough.

Top 25 is more exciting!
There will be plenty of debate every year especially regarding those indistinguishable perimeter players like westbrook,harden,tmac,kobe,wade,jerry west,curry,oscar,cp3,durant,giannis?,kawhi?
I believe, as the players in that range with those features keep racking up, we'll see people giving increasingly more importance to rings and success in general as tiebreakers

Embiid,AD,KAt, (maybe!!) have the potential to get to the border of the top 10 (KG-like resume).
But how many of them will win,if any at all? how much? How many of them wil be able to be clutch and perform at the same level regardless of the style and SRS of the opponent and degree of pressure in the playoffs?

But the most important consideration of all: we're in the era of "superteams" and fans,analysts,commentators will have to face the challenge of evaluating a player's legacy that's been influenced by playing with another mvp caliber player. A tougher challenge than simply Kobe-Shaq (who indipendently proved themselves too) or KG-Pierce-Allen (KG clearly the most impactful player of the 3).
This is something new.

Amares · Post #12 » by **Amares** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:35 pm

This realgm top 25 is not so current, because was created 3 years ago. Some of the players like Wade, Paul, Durant are top 25 now. Curry is close too, in 2025 they might be the same or higher, maybe except Wade, but still I don't see him out of top 25 in next 8 years. Big cases for Harden and RW too, so very likely all of these players you listed will be top 25

JordansBulls · Post #13 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:32 pm

Amares wrote:This realgm top 25 is not so current, because was created 3 years ago. Some of the players like Wade, Paul, Durant are top 25 now. Curry is close too, in 2025 they might be the same or higher, maybe except Wade, but still I don't see him out of top 25 in next 8 years. Big cases for Harden and RW too, so very likely all of these players you listed will be top 25

All depends on how many more years they have in them as top players.

UDRIH14 · Post #14 » by **UDRIH14** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:47 pm

how is kd going to crack top10 when his a role player on the gsw?

Colbinii · Post #15 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:05 pm

UDRIH14 wrote:how is kd going to crack top10 when his a role player on the gsw?

He is a role player? The argument could be made that he has been the teams best player on both sides of the ball.

Amares · Post #16 » by **Amares** » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:37 pm

UDRIH14 wrote:how is kd going to crack top10 when his a role player on the gsw?

Player with all-time great season is a role player :crazy:

Nice trolling

Drylick · Post #17 » by **Drylick** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:39 am

UDRIH14 wrote:how is kd going to crack top10 when his a role player on the gsw?

Durant won't ever crack the Top 10 in many people's and analyst's eyes. His pure basketball skills aint enough to push him up in the Top 10, even at his peak. Combine that with his pussy move to GSW and he just said goodbye to his Top 10 ever legacy.

Top 10 is almost untouchable, but really not immortal I could say. It would be hard to crack it. For 11-25, I would say Steph is there, leaving out Nash.

Hey, DWade is already at 23rd, why put him on the choices?

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #18 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:57 pm

eminence wrote:Davis/Kawhi/Giannis/other young stars should have enough seasons in the bag by that point to have a chance as well (given health and continued good play).

Good point. If any players already in the league are destined to ascend those heights, they'll have either done so or at least will be knocking on the door by 2025. So, rather than guessing conservatively in this thread, people should be taking the opportunity to call their shot if they see all-timer potential in anybody being overlooked.