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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2121 » by sp6r=underrated » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:43 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:There's enough data to see whether sports betting on your smartphone will lead to the end of western civilization.


Life is too short to waste on people who create strawmen. Ignore list you go.

You can disagree with the below but the argument I made is not the one HBK accused me of. His characterization isn't even close to a hyperbolic summary of my position.

Internet discussions are impossible with people who operate in bad faith.

2. I don't worry about 1 at all.

I legit think smartphone gambling is a highly dangerous product. It is a 24/7 casino hooked up to all your savings/credit. These bookmakers employ the finest marketers to encourage as many people as possible to sign up. They employ some of the finest technical developers and psychologists in the world to ensure the apps maximize the amount of money people bet. The business model is built around (i) creating addicts; (ii) bankrupting them.

I expect these apps will destroy lives via ruinious debts, divorce and suicide.
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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2122 » by PaulieWal » Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:46 am

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What's the utility on complaining about this every other day?


Can I complain if I don't want my nephew whom I am trying to get into the sport at 6 years old not be watching a gambling promo literally every few minutes as the announcers are also always repeating the lines, odds etc and they have colorful graphics on the screen to draw you in?

You have to admit it's way too much at this point and needs to be reined in.
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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2123 » by Colbinii » Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:23 pm

This Jontay Porter stuff is hilarious.

I did some digging, and I think I found another game where he bet. My theory is he bet on the 1-22-2024 game against Memphis and then got more people in on the 3-20-2024 game.

1-22-2024: Leading upto this game, Porter was averaging 18 MPG in the previous 9 games and 21 MPG in the previous 5 games. He plays just 5 minutes in the 1st half and doesn't play in the 2nd half.

3-20-2024: This is the game where there was too much money on his unders.
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Post#2124 » by PaulieWal » Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:45 pm

Colbinii wrote:This Jontay Porter stuff is hilarious.

I did some digging, and I think I found another game where he bet. My theory is he bet on the 1-22-2024 game against Memphis and then got more people in on the 3-20-2024 game.

1-22-2024: Leading upto this game, Porter was averaging 18 MPG in the previous 9 games and 21 MPG in the previous 5 games. He plays just 5 minutes in the 1st half and doesn't play in the 2nd half.

3-20-2024: This is the game where there was too much money on his unders.


Allegedly he was running a premium discord to give insider betting tips to the group and then betting on his own unders. If true, this is pretty damning. Needs to be life time banned.
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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2125 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:38 am

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Colbinii wrote:This Jontay Porter stuff is hilarious.

I did some digging, and I think I found another game where he bet. My theory is he bet on the 1-22-2024 game against Memphis and then got more people in on the 3-20-2024 game.

1-22-2024: Leading upto this game, Porter was averaging 18 MPG in the previous 9 games and 21 MPG in the previous 5 games. He plays just 5 minutes in the 1st half and doesn't play in the 2nd half.

3-20-2024: This is the game where there was too much money on his unders.


Allegedly he was running a premium discord to give insider betting tips to the group and then betting on his own unders. If true, this is pretty damning. Needs to be life time banned.


I know I'm the millionth person to say this but:

I'm really blown away that a player in a league that pays this well would think this a reward worth the risk. It's just so, so foolish, to the point that I don't think it makes for a good albatross to place around the NBA's neck.

(On that last note, I share other's disapproval with the NBA and sports world getting in bed with gambling. It's not that I think gambling should be illegal - it'll just drive the gambling underground - but that I think the NBA needs to nurture its fanbase so that it's able to afford to give more money to them in the future, rather than pushing them into a place where they won't be able to afford to spend in the future. That's just the future money part, but of course there are all sorts of other social factors at play.)
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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2126 » by Colbinii » Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:21 am

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PaulieWal wrote:
Colbinii wrote:This Jontay Porter stuff is hilarious.

I did some digging, and I think I found another game where he bet. My theory is he bet on the 1-22-2024 game against Memphis and then got more people in on the 3-20-2024 game.

1-22-2024: Leading upto this game, Porter was averaging 18 MPG in the previous 9 games and 21 MPG in the previous 5 games. He plays just 5 minutes in the 1st half and doesn't play in the 2nd half.

3-20-2024: This is the game where there was too much money on his unders.


Allegedly he was running a premium discord to give insider betting tips to the group and then betting on his own unders. If true, this is pretty damning. Needs to be life time banned.


I know I'm the millionth person to say this but:

I'm really blown away that a player in a league that pays this well would think this a reward worth the risk. It's just so, so foolish, to the point that I don't think it makes for a good albatross to place around the NBA's neck.

(On that last note, I share other's disapproval with the NBA and sports world getting in bed with gambling. It's not that I think gambling should be illegal - it'll just drive the gambling underground - but that I think the NBA needs to nurture its fanbase so that it's able to afford to give more money to them in the future, rather than pushing them into a place where they won't be able to afford to spend in the future. That's just the future money part, but of course there are all sorts of other social factors at play.)


This is definitely a monetary vs social issue and none of the main stream media's will address it because all of the media is supported through gambling.

It's really interesting stepping back and looking at what is happening. There is a massive surge of money entering the major sports (Let's focus on NBA though) and that money is allowing anyone involved with the NBA [Owners, Coaches, Players and Media from ESPN to Podcasts] to make more money than they ever have. But what happens when the toxicity of gambling plagues the sports to a degree where the fans don't like it? Who is going to address it? Who is willing to be a whistleblower?
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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2127 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:27 am

Colbinii wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
Allegedly he was running a premium discord to give insider betting tips to the group and then betting on his own unders. If true, this is pretty damning. Needs to be life time banned.


I know I'm the millionth person to say this but:

I'm really blown away that a player in a league that pays this well would think this a reward worth the risk. It's just so, so foolish, to the point that I don't think it makes for a good albatross to place around the NBA's neck.

(On that last note, I share other's disapproval with the NBA and sports world getting in bed with gambling. It's not that I think gambling should be illegal - it'll just drive the gambling underground - but that I think the NBA needs to nurture its fanbase so that it's able to afford to give more money to them in the future, rather than pushing them into a place where they won't be able to afford to spend in the future. That's just the future money part, but of course there are all sorts of other social factors at play.)


This is definitely a monetary vs social issue and none of the main stream media's will address it because all of the media is supported through gambling.

It's really interesting stepping back and looking at what is happening. There is a massive surge of money entering the major sports (Let's focus on NBA though) and that money is allowing anyone involved with the NBA [Owners, Coaches, Players and Media from ESPN to Podcasts] to make more money than they ever have. But what happens when the toxicity of gambling plagues the sports to a degree where the fans don't like it? Who is going to address it? Who is willing to be a whistleblower?


Of course the thing is: The NBA was making thousands before it made millions, and millions before it made billions, and billions before gambling got embraced, so what does it mean to say "supported through gambling"? As I see it, there are two possible answers here:

1. These sports enterprises don't have a way to scale down gracefully when revenue takes a hit, so they got hooked on gambling as a way to sustain themselves in the short term. In which case what we're talking about might simply a later stage in the natural lifecycle of this sort of thing.

2. Corporations have become so concerned with stock price that nothing matters to CEOs other than something that can show profit progress from quarter to quarter.

My guess is it's a bit of both.
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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2128 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:47 pm

Kind of annoyed as a Raptors fan cause Jontay actually could've made it as a player.
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Re: PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics] 

Post#2129 » by Slava » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:39 am

The proposal to place prop bets from the league pass app, essentially turning what used to be a fan experience into a slot machine has to be the dumbest and greediest one the league has ever made.
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Post#2130 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:47 am

At least there is one sport with strong international competition where an American guy is the clear #1 (golf)

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