RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - General Thread

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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - General Thread 

Post#501 » by AEnigma » Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:14 pm

trex_8063 wrote:Ironically, players who are [in a vacuum] "more" talented (particularly offensively) will sometimes be misused or used in less than optimal ways. Because their skillset is more broad and varied/versatile, there is more room to interpret what you have [as a player] incorrectly, or for other reasons try to fit that square peg into a round hole (in ways that simply DO NOT HAPPEN with your relatively well-defined role players).

Sometimes it happens because organizations are feeling a young player out, trying to see if this guy or that one can truly be a "franchise player". Other times they're miscast in that "star" role out of obstinancy [by the organization] or simple lack of BETTER options (e.g. Patrick Ewing perhaps?? or perhaps even David Robinson, which makes it somewhat remarkable that his pre-Duncan AuPM was still so frickin' awesome [in the rs, at least], since it probably wasn't his ideal offensive utilization).

Bringing this here because my response has little to do with the #82 thread.

I would agree with most of these observations, but the David Robinson suggestion misses the mark. Being a heavy volume first option is not Robinson’s ideal role, correct. This is on some level true for many star scorers. Pre-Miami Lebron was an incredible scorer… but it was not his ideal role to be such a team outlier the way he was before that initial departure.

The mistake is that being overextended is distinct from having your APM values suppressed. David Robinson was at his most “valuable” in 1994. That year, he was not only by far his team’s top scorer, but also arguably its lead playmaker, which is an even worse role for him. However, needing to fulfill those roles for the team made the team depend on him more and thus made him more valuable. It is a point toward inflation, not deflation — and you see that when they reestablish some coherent playmaking and his raw impact goes down, even though reducing that load is more suitable for his role.

There might be an interesting exploration of whether that type of reliance can backfire in the postseason, under the theory that strategies which work in the regular season can suddenly become anchors in the postseason. That is a separate question though than this one about maximising regular season impact.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - General Thread 

Post#502 » by Fundamentals21 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:15 am

Rudy Gobert
Paul George
Jimmy Butler
Draymond Green
Kyle Lowry

Really have trouble separating the lower greats of the modern era. These 5 make for an interesting discussion.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - General Thread 

Post#503 » by AEnigma » Fri Apr 5, 2024 3:28 am

The Marion link redirects to this thread rather than to his thread.
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - General Thread 

Post#504 » by penbeast0 » Fri Apr 5, 2024 11:47 am

AEnigma wrote:The Marion link redirects to this thread rather than to his thread.


Fixed, thanks.
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Post#505 » by AEnigma » Sun Apr 7, 2024 5:55 pm

Thought I had to consolidate support at the very end of the project: would it be worth ending the nomination process at #98 (as in, #97 will be the last thread with a nomination)? Forces something of a tiebreak process at the end, although not to the same literal degree (4 options at #99, 3 options at #100).
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Re: RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - General Thread 

Post#506 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Apr 7, 2024 6:07 pm

AEnigma wrote:Thought I had to consolidate support at the very end of the project: would it be worth ending the nomination process at #98 (as in, #97 will be the last thread with a nomination)? Forces something of a tiebreak process at the end, although not to the same literal degree (4 options at #99, 3 options at #100).


I'm willing to entertain this, or perhaps a more mild version where we don't go beyond 5 options when there are 5 or less sports left.
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Post#507 » by tsherkin » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:09 pm

Have to say, as with the previous iterations, much respect to everyone who started and is finishing all the way through. This is a lengthy project, and this version has been going on for 10 months or so. Well done, folks.
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Post#508 » by IlikeSHAIguys » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:34 pm

tsherkin wrote:Have to say, as with the previous iterations, much respect to everyone who started and is finishing all the way through. This is a lengthy project, and this version has been going on for 10 months or so. Well done, folks.

how does activity this year compare to all the other ones?

Not trying to make this a competition or anything but i guess I'm curious.
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Post#509 » by penbeast0 » Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:53 pm

Similar; a lot of people at first slimming down to a core of regulars with some irregular posters. The previous threads are all posted at the beginning of this one but it would be a challenge to go back and actually get the numbers.
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Post#510 » by AEnigma » Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:24 pm

Whether or not it speaks to overall engagement, the threads are the longest they have been since 2014. I think we have only had two single-page threads so far.
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Post#511 » by OhayoKD » Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:16 pm

Am guessing vote totals also strongly favor this iteration past the early rounds.

#75 got 14 votes here while thread #50 in 2020 got 9 and thread #50 in 2014 got 16(#75 got only 9)
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