Stephen Curry(Clutch Player of the Year). Chris Paul, Dray, & Klay - 23-24 NBA Thread

SpreeS · Post #41 » by **SpreeS** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:16 am

Draymond Green with highest drtg on the team 118.1 and only with 3 positive games

1st missed ankle
2nd missed ankle
9th missed personal reasons
10th ejected
12th ejected
13th suspended
14th suspended
15th suspended
16th suspended
17th suspended

SpreeS · Post #42 » by **SpreeS** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:21 am

I cant even say who is the biggest problem on this team (Kerr, Paul, Wiggs, Klay, Green, Kuminga). A Coach would be w/o job in standart situation, but he is Kerr the smartest guy in the room...

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #43 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:01 pm

SpreeS wrote:I cant even say who is the biggest problem on this team (Kerr, Paul, Wiggs, Klay, Green, Kuminga). A Coach would be w/o job in standart situation, but he is Kerr the smartest guy in the room...

Klay is well past his prime and he was never a true 2nd option to begin with. A true 2nd option can take over a team temporarily. Klay was never that guy. Pippen could, Wade could, Irving could.... Klay isn't one of those guys.

Kuminga has always sucked. He's just not a baller.

Green has always been a jackass and this is his 7th year in decline (peaked in 2016).

The rest of the team is fine, but they need a real 2nd scoring option if they want to have a chance. Poole was that guy for a moment and they won a ring. They need a 2nd guy that can put the ball on the floor and score 20.

TroubleS0me · Post #44 » by **TroubleS0me** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 5:10 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
SpreeS wrote:I cant even say who is the biggest problem on this team (Kerr, Paul, Wiggs, Klay, Green, Kuminga). A Coach would be w/o job in standart situation, but he is Kerr the smartest guy in the room...

Klay is well past his prime and he was never a true 2nd option to begin with. A true 2nd option can take over a team temporarily. Klay was never that guy. Pippen could, Wade could, Irving could.... Klay isn't one of those guys.

Kuminga has always sucked. He's just not a baller.

Green has always been a jackass and this is his 7th year in decline (peaked in 2016).

The rest of the team is fine, but they need a real 2nd scoring option if they want to have a chance. Poole was that guy for a moment and they won a ring. They need a 2nd guy that can put the ball on the floor and score 20.

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Cavsfansince84 · Post #45 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:21 am

I still think they sort of get it together by the end of the year. I think they will be a semi dangerous team in the play in.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #46 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:26 am

Cavsfansince84 wrote:I still think they sort of get it together by the end of the year. I think they will be a semi dangerous team in the play in.

They might be able to win some payoff games if they make it. Not exactly what you want to hear when you have Stephen Curry averaging 29/5/5 on 48/43/93 shooting. This team is pretty trash. No big men and Klay Thompson is toast. Now Draymond threw us a curve ball because he's now declining quicker mentally than he's declining physically.

GSP · Post #47 » by **GSP** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:36 am

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
SpreeS wrote:I cant even say who is the biggest problem on this team (Kerr, Paul, Wiggs, Klay, Green, Kuminga). A Coach would be w/o job in standart situation, but he is Kerr the smartest guy in the room...

Klay is well past his prime and he was never a true 2nd option to begin with. A true 2nd option can take over a team temporarily. Klay was never that guy. Pippen could, Wade could, Irving could.... Klay isn't one of those guys.

Kuminga has always sucked. He's just not a baller.

Green has always been a jackass and this is his 7th year in decline (peaked in 2016).

The rest of the team is fine, but they need a real 2nd scoring option if they want to have a chance. Poole was that guy for a moment and they won a ring. They need a 2nd guy that can put the ball on the floor and score 20.

Klay averaged 26.4,3 on .615ts and a +122 w/o Steph in playoffs. 9-3 record too.

That looks like a great 2nd option to me. Warriors Aka Steph fanboys still doing what they can to discredit Klay when hes cooked and not player he was in his prime is NASTY work. Nasty......you should be ashamed and show more respect to the man who guarded all the top guards and tough assignments for your boy while he hid on defense :wavefinger:

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #48 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:30 pm

GSP wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
SpreeS wrote:I cant even say who is the biggest problem on this team (Kerr, Paul, Wiggs, Klay, Green, Kuminga). A Coach would be w/o job in standart situation, but he is Kerr the smartest guy in the room...

Klay is well past his prime and he was never a true 2nd option to begin with. A true 2nd option can take over a team temporarily. Klay was never that guy. Pippen could, Wade could, Irving could.... Klay isn't one of those guys.

Kuminga has always sucked. He's just not a baller.

Green has always been a jackass and this is his 7th year in decline (peaked in 2016).

The rest of the team is fine, but they need a real 2nd scoring option if they want to have a chance. Poole was that guy for a moment and they won a ring. They need a 2nd guy that can put the ball on the floor and score 20.

Klay averaged 26.4,3 on .615ts and a +122 w/o Steph in playoffs. 9-3 record too.

That looks like a great 2nd option to me. Warriors Aka Steph fanboys still doing what they can to discredit Klay when hes cooked and not player he was in his prime is NASTY work. Nasty......you should be ashamed and show more respect to the man who guarded all the top guards and tough assignments for your boy while he hid on defense

He's 52-69 without Curry (29-52 without KD & Curry) and he averages 20/3/2 on 44% shooting with a -69 +/-. Those playoff games were also early rounds and he played the majority with KD.

Yeah, he's had some big games. He's also completely disappeared when teams lock in on him. 2nd options can put the ball on the floor. I've always said he's an elite and GOAT level 3rd option. Just not a 2nd option. That's why he's not top 75.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #49 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:32 pm

GSP wrote:
Klay averaged 26.4,3 on .615ts and a +122 w/o Steph in playoffs. 9-3 record too.

That looks like a great 2nd option to me. Warriors Aka Steph fanboys still doing what they can to discredit Klay when hes cooked and not player he was in his prime is NASTY work. Nasty......you should be ashamed and show more respect to the man who guarded all the top guards and tough assignments for your boy while he hid on defense

How much of that came with KD though when he was still a second option?

SpreeS · Post #50 » by **SpreeS** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:52 am

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
GSP wrote:
Klay averaged 26.4,3 on .615ts and a +122 w/o Steph in playoffs. 9-3 record too.

That looks like a great 2nd option to me. Warriors Aka Steph fanboys still doing what they can to discredit Klay when hes cooked and not player he was in his prime is NASTY work. Nasty......you should be ashamed and show more respect to the man who guarded all the top guards and tough assignments for your boy while he hid on defense

How much of that came with KD though when he was still a second option?

He had nice stats in 2016 PO when Curry was injured in 8 games period (27pts on .610Ts), but he wasnt the 1st option

Green .450/.425/.650 10.5r 7.4a 1.3s 1.9b 2.3t 17.9pts +137

2016 PO

Klay w/o Green/Curry -11.85nrtg 102.83ortg
Green w/o Klay/Curry +35.83nrtg 123.71ortg

empty numbers for Klay

TroubleS0me · Post #51 » by **TroubleS0me** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:35 am

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Colbinii · Post #52 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:40 am

Can't wait to see Kerr defend this one

Colbinii · Post #53 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:52 am

They should trade him to Detroit.

TroubleS0me · Post #54 » by **TroubleS0me** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:20 am

Anger issues as a grown man its sad
can't control his emotions

Warriors Analyst · Post #55 » by **Warriors Analyst** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:53 pm

It's easier to have a meaningful conversation here than it is on the GB about the actual basketball being played. So... Draymond. Indefensible cheap shot on Nurk. If he gets only a 5-game suspension, I'll be surprised. I could see 10-15.

I'm especially frustrated by the cheap shot because Draymond has been playing quite well. The Warriors' roster is deeply flawed. A lot of those flaws are downstream effects of Klay and Wiggins shooting like prime Keith Bogans and being unable to convert 2P FG%. Kerr's recent trend towards more minutes for Podziemski and Moody at the expense of Klay and Wiggins is a good thing until one of Klay/Wiggs can re-asser themselves and provide positive value. That makes Draymond's looming suspension all the more frustrating.

Draymond being on the court ties together the Warriors' defense so well when we have smart and attentive defensive players on the court. Right now neither Klay or Wiggins are attentive or alert on defense because they are so deep in their slumps that it's clearly affecting everything they do on the court. Draymond is getting suspended at a key moment in the season where it seems like Kerr has finally decided he just needs to play whoever is playing well, politics be damned. On top of that, Draymond has been in the midst of his best offensive season since 15-16. He's been an aggressive shot-maker and is shooting well-above league-average from three. And all for naught now that he decided to hit Nurk for no reason. Awful.

Colbinii · Post #56 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:36 am

Hahahahahaha

From the highs of 2015 and the Kyrie/Love injuries, to the Kevin Durant signing all the way down to this. Could be the end of the road for the Curry era as we know it.

TroubleS0me · Post #57 » by **TroubleS0me** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:17 am

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TroubleS0me · Post #58 » by **TroubleS0me** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:16 am

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jalengreen · Post #59 » by **jalengreen** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:45 am

CP3 came up so big at the end with two middys amidst a Warriors choke

Time for Change · Post #60 » by **Time for Change** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:56 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:He's 52-69 without Curry (29-52 without KD & Curry) and he averages 20/3/2 on 44% shooting with a -69 +/-. Those playoff games were also early rounds and he played the majority with KD.

Yeah, he's had some big games. He's also completely disappeared when teams lock in on him. 2nd options can put the ball on the floor. I've always said he's an elite and GOAT level 3rd option. Just not a 2nd option. That's why he's not top 75.

For his career Klay is sub-40% from 3 and below league average TS% when Curry isn’t playing. He owes Curry big time for his rep as the 2nd greatest shooter of all time.