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Texas Chuck wrote:Nights like this make me wonder why some of you are so determined to hate a guy that is pure basketball joy.
Who cares if he's not LEbron freaking James. You know who else isn't? Literally every other person who ever walked the planet. What a silly standard.
iggymcfrack wrote: I have Bird #19 and Kobe #20 on my all-time list and both guys will probably get passed by Jokic by the end of this season.
Heej wrote:Rewatching the latest Mavs game. Hope to be more active in here as far as breaking down what I see from Xs and Os cuz Luka's my 2nd guy. But gotta say, wtf did not expect Dante Exum to still be hanging around. Was he with y'all last year?
Btw I wanted Lively to fall to the Lakers but knew he wouldn't. Y'all got a good one. That's your franchise center, imo barring injury he easily projects to being a closing caliber Finals level center when he reaches his prime; let alone being a legitimate game changer because I think he has a 50/50 shot at turning into a capable outside shooter at the center position.
Kid also has good deceleration and fluidity for his size. Hell, I'd venture to say it's actually great right now but the unicorn generation is coming so he may actually be the baseline of what the new modern center is supposed to be in terms of agility and nimbleness. Think he sticks tho, and he's very prototypical as far as what you want for the new age elite role player caliber center. However he needs to bulk up in these early years to not cap his ceiling.
iggymcfrack wrote: I have Bird #19 and Kobe #20 on my all-time list and both guys will probably get passed by Jokic by the end of this season.
Peregrine01 wrote:I really fail to see how Kyrie makes this team better compared to available alternatives.
McBubbles wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:I really fail to see how Kyrie makes this team better compared to available alternatives.
What are these alternatives?
tsherkin wrote:Locked due to absence of adult conversation.
penbeast0 wrote:Guys, if you don't have anything to say, don't post.
E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
McBubbles wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:I really fail to see how Kyrie makes this team better compared to available alternatives.
What are these alternatives?
Peregrine01 wrote:I really fail to see how Kyrie makes this team better compared to available alternatives.
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Peregrine01 wrote:McBubbles wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:I really fail to see how Kyrie makes this team better compared to available alternatives.
What are these alternatives?
Like the guys he got traded for. Mavs need 3 and D guys more than they need another ball-dominant iso-heavy guard.
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Colbinii wrote:McBubbles wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:I really fail to see how Kyrie makes this team better compared to available alternatives.
What are these alternatives?
Jokic, Giannis, Curry
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Texas Chuck wrote: --
Clyde Frazier wrote:Texas Chuck wrote: --
What do you think of lively so far? Was happy to see Tyson back with the mavs working with him.
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CobraCommander wrote:McBubbles wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Man YOUNG pre-Miami Lebron has much much worse teams than Luka - KP, Dinwiddie, Brunson, etc are all better than people young Lebron had- And LBJ went to finals
Luka is just not as good as young Lebron - period- it’s been 5 years and honestly people know this already and it’s not a slight on Luka - Lebron is the 1st or second best player ever.
Luka is great and let’s see what he can do this year. But he hasn’t been much of a leader for the first 5 years of his career. It’s more than playing basketball at the elite levels - it’s leadership and he isn’t the leader Lebron is either. Maybe this year he will lead on and off the court better and they get to the conf finals like I predict.
Again Luka one of the top 6 guys in league to me- he just has to do it on the court- and I’m not talking about getting stats - at this point the only thing that matters is winning for a guy of his caliber- Same with all the top guys- we don’t care if avg a triple double - Westbrook already did that - we don’t care if you lead the league in points - harden has done that - and we don’t care if you lead the league in assist- harden has done that too- Luka is good enough to be Jugded by his rings -
Stop bringing up Lebron what the ****? Lebron has nothing to do with this, jeez. You said his name 6 times, why'd you keep on bringing him up?
Superstars don't win championships without championship level supporting casts, and Luka currently doesn't have one. End of story. Consequently, I'm not going to be disappointed if the person I didn't expect to win a championship didn't win a championship.
lol. No one does - that’s true-
I still think Luka goes to conf finals this year and is still in the same grouping with everyone else after Giannis Embiid and Of course jokic-
The nba is stacked
BmanInBigD wrote:CobraCommander wrote:McBubbles wrote:
Stop bringing up Lebron what the ****
Superstars don't win championships without championship level supporting casts, and Luka currently doesn't have one. End of story. Consequently, I'm not going to be disappointed if the person I didn't expect to win a championship didn't win a championship.
lol. No one does - that’s true-
I still think Luka goes to conf finals this year and is still in the same grouping with everyone else after Giannis Embiid and Of course jokic-
The nba is stacked
So what has Embiid accomplished that Luka hasn't to be above him? Besides getting bounced every year in the first or second round after usually playing significantly worse in the PS...
CobraCommander wrote:BmanInBigD wrote:CobraCommander wrote:lol. No one does - that’s true-
I still think Luka goes to conf finals this year and is still in the same grouping with everyone else after Giannis Embiid and Of course jokic-
The nba is stacked
So what has Embiid accomplished that Luka hasn't to be above him? Besides getting bounced every year in the first or second round after usually playing significantly worse in the PS...
Embiid actually won the MVP, scoring title and made the playoffs last year. So Actually yes Embiid is above Luka everywhere on earth but on Reddit and REALGM. Luka just last year was behind SGA and didn’t get a single first second mvp vote and Embiid won the damn MVP.
In my opinion, I think Luka is at least as good or nearly as good as Embiid...and obviously Luka is more dominate in the playoffs..but Embiid has accomplished more because the MVP is a pretty big deal. Apart from being the best player on a championship team, the mvp is the biggest accomplishment in the NBA. The mvp is theoretically more important accomplishment than being the second or 3rd best player on a championship team. Example no one sees Murray, Holiday as being as accomplished as Embiid even though they have rings as the second best player on a championship team.
I think Luka CAN be better than Embiid but objectively he hasn’t done more in the league. Remember Luka got bounced in the first round a lot too
BmanInBigD wrote:CobraCommander wrote:BmanInBigD wrote:So what has Embiid accomplished that Luka hasn't to be above him? Besides getting bounced every year in the first or second round after usually playing significantly worse in the PS...
Embiid actually won the MVP, scoring title and made the playoffs last year. So Actually yes Embiid is above Luka everywhere on earth but on Reddit and REALGM. Luka just last year was behind SGA and didn’t get a single first second mvp vote and Embiid won the damn MVP.
In my opinion, I think Luka is at least as good or nearly as good as Embiid...and obviously Luka is more dominate in the playoffs..but Embiid has accomplished more because the MVP is a pretty big deal. Apart from being the best player on a championship team, the mvp is the biggest accomplishment in the NBA. The mvp is theoretically more important accomplishment than being the second or 3rd best player on a championship team. Example no one sees Murray, Holiday as being as accomplished as Embiid even though they have rings as the second best player on a championship team.
I think Luka CAN be better than Embiid but objectively he hasn’t done more in the league. Remember Luka got bounced in the first round a lot too
I guess I disagree because I look at something that is highly subjective like MVP as more of an award than an accomplishment. MVP's and hell, even Titles are situation-driven, so judging a player by these criteria only vs how they play and contribute to winning is a little simplistic to me. But that's the way it goes I guess. Some will rank players by how good they are and some will rank by "accomplishments". To each their own.
