Nikola Jokic - 23-24 NBA Thread - 23 Finals NBA MVP

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #101 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:50 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Since I am banned from the general Boards . I just want to to correct the liar on that board who wrote that Embiid is the leader among active players in the career PER.

1 Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. Nikola Jokić 27.84
3. LeBron James 27.19
4. Anthony Davis 26.89
5. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.43
6. David Robinson* 26.18
7. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.16
8. Bob Pettit* 25.45
9. Kevin Durant 25.30
10. Giannis Antetokounmpo 24.99
11. Neil Johnston* 24.86
12. Charles Barkley* 24.63
13. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
14. James Harden 24.27
15. Karl-Anthony Towns 24.26
16. Chris Paul 24.24
17. Tim Duncan* 24.22
18. Magic Johnson* 24.11
19. Karl Malone* 23.90
20. Stephen Curry 23.84
21. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
22. Larry Bird* 23.50
23. Dwyane Wade* 23.48
24. Kawhi Leonard 23.30
25. Oscar Robertson* 23.19
26. Yao Ming* 23.02
27. Jerry West* 22.91
28. Kobe Bryant* 22.90
29. Elgin Baylor* 22.72
30. Kevin Garnett* 22.66
31. Damian Lillard 22.54
32. Dirk Nowitzki* 22.44
33. Kyrie Irving 22.39
34. Moses Malone* 22.31
35. Tracy McGrady*

This is the all time PER leaders, he's not even in the top 35 of all time, even KAT is ahead oh him . And he's behind Jokic for this current season too. I don't know from where that person was pulling up statistics. I don't want to even mention the play off's where he's abysmal all across the boards.

Embiid doesn't qualify as he needs 15k career rs minutes and he's a at 13k atm, but his current career avg is 28 and good for 1st.
He'll likely be there during this season.

ty 4191 · Post #102 » by **ty 4191** » Sat Dec 2, 2023 2:36 pm

Jokic is:

1st in total points scored this season.
1st in total rebounds this season.
2nd in total assists this season.

Simply staggering. He gets better basically every year, just when you think he cannot get any better.....

TroubleS0me · Post #103 » by **TroubleS0me** » Sat Dec 2, 2023 4:51 pm

ty 4191 wrote:Jokic is:

1st in total points scored this season.
1st in total rebounds this season.
2nd in total assists this season.

Simply staggering. He gets better basically every year, just when you think he cannot get any better.....

hmm but his shooting has gone down though
3PT %
FT%

ty 4191 · Post #104 » by **ty 4191** » Sat Dec 2, 2023 5:11 pm

TroubleS0me wrote:
ty 4191 wrote:Jokic is:

1st in total points scored this season.
1st in total rebounds this season.
2nd in total assists this season.

Simply staggering. He gets better basically every year, just when you think he cannot get any better.....

hmm but his shooting has gone down though
3PT %
FT%

True. Still, how many players have been top 5 in points, rebounds, and assists for 4 consecutive seasons?

Since the start of 2020-2021:

4th in points
2nd in rebounds
2nd in assists

Has anyone done that for 4 straight seasons? Doesn't appear so, besides Wilt in his prime.

Prime Oscar "only" managed 2nd in points, 1st in assists, but 12th in rebounds 1961-1962 through 1964-1965.

Westbrook 2015-2016 through 2018-2019: 2nd, 1st, 7th, respectively.

Wilt 1964-1965 through 1967-1968: 1st, 1st, 3rd, respectively.

TroubleS0me · Post #105 » by **TroubleS0me** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 3:47 am

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Woodsanity · Post #106 » by **Woodsanity** » Mon Dec 4, 2023 6:23 pm

TroubleS0me wrote:
ty 4191 wrote:Jokic is:

1st in total points scored this season.
1st in total rebounds this season.
2nd in total assists this season.

Simply staggering. He gets better basically every year, just when you think he cannot get any better.....

hmm but his shooting has gone down though
3PT %
FT%

Not too surprising. Efficiency will dip due to higher volume scoring + lets offensive help. Murray is constantly missing games this season which hurts.

Its surprising Jokic has 29 ppg while maintaining a near 10 assists which is the same as last season but last season Jokic didnt even average 25 ppg.

TroubleS0me · Post #107 » by **TroubleS0me** » Thu Dec 7, 2023 5:01 am

Embiid is coming..

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Special_Puppy · Post #108 » by **Special_Puppy** » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:08 pm

Woodsanity wrote:
TroubleS0me wrote:
ty 4191 wrote:Jokic is:

1st in total points scored this season.
1st in total rebounds this season.
2nd in total assists this season.

Simply staggering. He gets better basically every year, just when you think he cannot get any better.....

hmm but his shooting has gone down though
3PT %
FT%

Not too surprising. Efficiency will dip due to higher volume scoring + lets offensive help. Murray is constantly missing games this season which hurts.

Its surprising Jokic has 29 ppg while maintaining a near 10 assists which is the same as last season but last season Jokic didnt even average 25 ppg.

The three point shooting will probably go back up to 36% just because of mean reversion. His rim FG % plummeting is concerning though. If he doesn’t get his true shooting % back up to 66% it would be pretty concerning IMO

GSP · Post #109 » by **GSP** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 4:53 am

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I thought this was just a 2 game stretch but his shooting efficiency is down for season all across board

.614ts
.578efg
.546 Fg
.300 3pt
.785 Ft

theyll all go down after this game too...........from 21-23 those 3 seasons.........he was far ahead on all these numbers each season...........its damn near 5% drop in each of those effiency percentages.......whats going on? Its been 22 games.......

MyUniBroDavis · Post #110 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:44 am

GSP wrote:

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I thought this was just a 2 game stretch but his shooting efficiency is down for season all across board

.614ts
.578efg
.546 Fg
.300 3pt
.785 Ft

theyll all go down after this game too...........from 21-23 those 3 seasons.........he was far ahead on all these numbers each season...........its damn near 5% drop in each of those effiency percentages.......whats going on? Its been 22 games.......

He might just be chillin for the RS since they won last year lol

TroubleS0me · Post #111 » by **TroubleS0me** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 5:04 pm

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Special_Puppy · Post #112 » by **Special_Puppy** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 5:55 pm

GSP wrote:

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I thought this was just a 2 game stretch but his shooting efficiency is down for season all across board

.614ts
.578efg
.546 Fg
.300 3pt
.785 Ft

theyll all go down after this game too...........from 21-23 those 3 seasons.........he was far ahead on all these numbers each season...........its damn near 5% drop in each of those effiency percentages.......whats going on? Its been 22 games.......

His 3 3-point shooting is not that concerning. I imagine it'll go back to like ~36% by the end of the year due to mean reversion. The drop in his rim FG% is pretty concerning though. A good goal for him is to get his TS% back up to 66% by the end of the season

Djoker · Post #113 » by **Djoker** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 7:18 pm

A couple of bad shooting games aren't a big deal. He's still a net positive on the court. The Nuggets bench sucks this year and many of us predicted that the team would struggle when Jokic sits.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #114 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 8:18 pm

Djoker wrote: He's still a net positive on the court.

Thanks for this, I wasn’t so sure but now I am

ty 4191 · Post #115 » by **ty 4191** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 10:13 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Djoker wrote: He's still a net positive on the court.

Thanks for this, I wasn’t so sure but now I am

Not sure if you're trolling/joking, MyUniBro....

On/Off per 100, All MVP Candidates, this season:

Jokic: +21.9
Embiid: +5.9
Doncic: +0.3
SGA: +13.7
Tatum: +5.3
Giannis: +2.5
Halburotn: +7.3
Durant: +10.2
Booker: +10.3
Curry: -6.9

Heej · Post #116 » by **Heej** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 10:52 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Djoker wrote: He's still a net positive on the court.

Thanks for this, I wasn’t so sure but now I am

Not sure if you're trolling/joking, MyUniBro....

On/Off per 100, All MVP Candidates, this season:

Jokic: +21.9
Embiid: +5.9
Doncic: +0.3
SGA: +13.7
Tatum: +5.3
Giannis: +2.5
Halburotn: +7.3
Durant: +10.2
Booker: +10.3
Curry: -6.9

He's definitely joking. Jokic is the apex player of this generation and been the best player in the league for what's going on 4 years straight.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #117 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 11:20 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Djoker wrote: He's still a net positive on the court.

Thanks for this, I wasn’t so sure but now I am

Not sure if you're trolling/joking, MyUniBro....

On/Off per 100, All MVP Candidates, this season:

Jokic: +21.9
Embiid: +5.9
Doncic: +0.3
SGA: +13.7
Tatum: +5.3
Giannis: +2.5
Halburotn: +7.3
Durant: +10.2
Booker: +10.3
Curry: -6.9

Yes I was trolling

AEnigma · Post #118 » by **AEnigma** » Sat Dec 9, 2023 11:30 pm

I would rather talk about how Steph has clearly become awful at basketball.

homecourtloss · Post #119 » by **homecourtloss** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:17 am

ty 4191 wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Djoker wrote: He's still a net positive on the court.

Thanks for this, I wasn’t so sure but now I am

Not sure if you're trolling/joking, MyUniBro....

On/Off per 100, All MVP Candidates, this season:

Jokic: +21.9
Embiid: +5.9
Doncic: +0.3
SGA: +13.7
Tatum: +5.3
Giannis: +2.5
Halburotn: +7.3
Durant: +10.2
Booker: +10.3
Curry: -6.9

With NBA.com’s exact On-Off numbers:

Jokic, +21.4
SGA, +14.1
Booker, +12.7
Durant, +10.0
Halliburton, +7.8
Embiid, +5.7
Tatum, +5.1
Giannis, +5.1
Doncic, +1.1
Curry, -5.9

BTW, LeBron at +20.3

Jokic has two human games in a row and it’s unfathomable for many. His floor for each game is just so high. There’s likely some 30 point triple-doubles on 70% TS upcoming.

homecourtloss · Post #120 » by **homecourtloss** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:21 am

AEnigma wrote:I would rather talk about how Steph has clearly become awful at basketball.

On-off of -5.9 for Curry is wild, absolutely wild given how efficient he’s been offensively. He’s been terrible defensively, though, which has been surprising since he’s improved and was a plus defender as recently as two seasons ago.

No way he winds up the season any lower than at least +5.0 On-off.