Kamen vs. Bynum

xAIRNESSx · Post #1 » by **xAIRNESSx** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:04 am

Now, I know everyone wants to annoint Bynum as the next great center, but Kamen's been having a very nice season and is probably very underrated. So, pre-injury who would you rather have as your C?

RoyceDa59 · Post #2 » by **RoyceDa59** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:08 am

Right now, I think you have to go with Chris Kaman, he's having a monster season and his post moves in the paint have been relatively unstopable. He's also been an excellent rebounder. In the future it may very well be Bynum as he has more room for improvement but for right now, this season, I'd have to go with Chris Kaman.

TooNice00 · Post #3 » by **TooNice00** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:15 am

now this is a comparison bynum needs to be in and not vs people like howard and yao. kaman is better right now despite a lecture you will probably get on EFF and PER. but it is def bynum in the long run.

sp6r=underrated · Post #4 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:15 am

Bynum is currently a better player. Kaman is just getting his numbers on an awful team. Bynum before the injury was already showing he could be a major contributer to a 50+ win team.

celtsmon3y · Post #5 » by **celtsmon3y** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:24 am

only an insolent pig would dare compare Lord Bynum to a mere mortal!

TooNice00 · Post #6 » by **TooNice00** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:29 am

bynum=mvp

Patterns · Post #7 » by **Patterns** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:52 am

Bynum's PER: 22.84
Kaman's PER:18.50

j-ragg · Post #8 » by **j-ragg** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:06 am

Patterns wrote:Bynum's PER: 22.84
Kaman's PER:18.50

It's obviously Bynum. He does absolutely nothing wrong out on the basketball court.

Hence the reason why he's an all star this year and a likely lock for the HOF.

TooNice00 · Post #9 » by **TooNice00** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:07 am

lol when will lakers fans learn PER and EFF isn't everything. PER says calderon is better than parker, baron, tracy, redd, josh howard, brandon roy, kevin martin, carmelo, paul pierce and the list goes on. PER says bynum is the 15th best player in the nba and everyone knows that is a joke.

TooNice00 · Post #10 » by **TooNice00** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:08 am

the only thing that separates bynum from being the best player in the nba is minutes. we will all see why bynums impact is worthy of mvp when the lakers fall to being a lottery team without him. since the lakers success is all because of bynum.

skones · Post #11 » by **skones** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:09 am

Kaman.

jeremy1215 · Post #12 » by **jeremy1215** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:25 am

Kaman Easily

Big_Dub · Post #13 » by **Big_Dub** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:39 am

Kaman Pretty easily.. mans averaging 14 boards and 3 blocks... 1nd best center in the league right now...

Lakers05 · Post #14 » by **Lakers05** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:01 am

Bynum easily. You saw his impact the past few games. With Bynum, this team can blow out teams at will. Without him, they struggle to beat even the worst of teams. With Bynum, I say we'd win these next 4 games against top tier opponents easily. Without him, I don't think we're capable of winning any one of them. THAT's how much impact he makes.

Truth is, the way he's playing right now, he's already capable of putting up Kaman's numbers PLUS defense. And I'm actually shocked whenever he misses a shot.

Post #15 » by **pillwenney** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:11 am

In the future the choice is obviously Bynum, but right now I would take Kaman. He isn't just getting his numbers on a bad team, he has also become a fine player. And while he gets more touches than Bynum, he also is the focus on the opposing team's defense while Bynum clearly isn't.

superBlazerFan · Post #16 » by **superBlazerFan** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:11 am

kaman

tha_rock220 · Post #17 » by **tha_rock220** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:23 am

Patterns wrote:Bynum's PER: 22.84
Kaman's PER:18.50

When comparing Kobe and Jordan you'll always see Kobe fans saying PER doesn't tell you anything.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTT, if it agrees with them they'll quote it like it's scripture. :crazy:

Alex_De_Large · Post #18 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:47 am

kamen or kaman.

J~Rush · Post #19 » by **J~Rush** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:48 am

Phoenix Rockets wrote:kamen or kaman.

Ramen or Raman?

Lakers05 · Post #20 » by **Lakers05** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:00 am

You can always find exceptions for a category of statistics, but that doesn't mean that that statistic should be eliminated altogether. No, you seek to explain the flaws of that statistic. Heck, I can find examples of guys whose conventional stats don't really reflect their contributions. Antoine Walker, for example, the guy used to be a 20 and 10 guy, but we know his impact is a lot less than that. On the other hand, we know Bruce Bowen's impact is a lot more than his stats. Now are you going to disregard the conventional stats altogether? I don't think so.

82games.com actually gives you some explanation of what the conventional stats don't show, which is defense. In other words, how much you keep your opponent's statistics down is just as important as how much you put up. Kaman's PER differential is barely over 2, whereas Bynum's is over 10. A reasonable conclusion would then be that even if Bynum was to play 10 extra minutes, fatigue would not lower his differential to that level.

Heck, even as is, I'm not so sure if you can say Kaman is better than Bynum. Put it this way, if you give Bynum and Kaman the same backup, and assume that the backup has the same PER differential backing up either guy(which is a reasonable assumption since I really don't see how fatigue or foul trouble would matter in a difference of 10 vs 20 minutes a game), then if the backup has an even or even positive differential, then that means you're getting a lot more production with the Bynum/backup pair than the Kaman/backup pair.

Who's the better L.A. C?