DFerry needs to make a BOLD Move to improve our Talent

[ATLHawksfan21]

I dont think any rationale human being can say they wouldnt take Kyrie Irving over Teague. you gain 5 years of youth, and a better skillset to mold.

Im just saying Teague is making a case that a lot of us are taking notice.

Kyrie Irving would cost double the money, because he would be double the player. Hes that (potentially) good.

Teague will never be an All Star MVP

and he would play half the games that Teague would as well. Irving will never be an MVP either.

Teague will be an all-star next year if we stay healthy. Guarantee it

[ATLHawksfan21]

I feel like the Kyrie proposition is taking away from my larger point. The NBA has seen a stunning number of top players moved in the last 5+ years. And this franchise has stood pat, refusing to break up their core to gain a superstar.

The likelihood of us trading Josh at the trade deadline is as close to zero as you can get...There were a bunch of guys in the All-Star Game that I wouldn't trade for Josh, given what he brings not only to our team but to the community...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7683520/bruce-levenson-atlanta-hawks-co-owner-dispels-josh-smith-trade-rumors

We've seen Chris Paul traded, James Harden traded, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol (in his prime), Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen. We're talking All Stars, All-NBA, Hall of Fame caliber players traded...mostly for garbage. And how many of those trade talks were we mentioned as a part of?

There are rumblings that young superstars Rajon Rondo, Russ Westbrook or Kyrie Irving could be made available this summer. Yet the fan base seems resigned to not even consider moving for one of the top players in the league. It's mind-boggling that after all this time we're still unwilling to even consider shaking up our roster in a move to gain more talent.

It's not about KI. It's about us taking a calculated risk to get a top player and move to the next level. We really more committed to a 16 & 6 player than the prospect of becoming a truly elite team?

You are completely wrong here. I would love to have a superstar. I was campaigning for Howard and Paul more than anyone last year. I just happen to think that Kyrie Irving is overrated as hell. He is flashy so people assume he is good. I've seen Teague work his ass numerous times and ya'll consider him a below-average PG. He has missed a ton of games thus far in his college and pro career. He plays zero defense. He doesn't do a good job of getting his teammates involved.

I would love to have a superstar but I don't want to overpay for one and send our franchise back in to the ice age.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Well i dont think we should get a superstar to say we have a superstar. The last time we did that we wound up with Joe Johnson. Paid him a Kobe Contract.

I would NOT be interested in WB, I would be interested in KI because I believe Kyrie can be coached. He played for Coach K. K doesnt go after dumb IQ basketball players. I think KI is in a bad situation, and honestly he has handled it very well IMO ? right?

Westbrook, reason why im not interested, is we would have to give up Teague + MIllsap or Horford to get him IMO. Theres no way OKC doesnt ask for the moon for him. Hes got his deal, hes got his contract. 16 million a year. And , his knees bother me.

He played 11 games for Coach K. Lets not get carried away with that.

He's handled it well? You don't remember all of the rumors and reports coming out of the Cleveland locker room earlier this season?

[Jamaaliver]

I've seen Teague work his ass numerous times and ya'll consider him a below-average PG...

He has played well. But we've had ample time to see what he is...a solid, veteran PG. A borderline All-Star

JT0 has indeed been very impressive in the series...Great contract, vet PG, great playoff showing.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1318184

Jeff's a solid young PG who's been uneven. I'd imagine between 8-10 million per year. He's still green with room for improvement.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1230283

JT is, sadly, only a solid, average NBA Point Guard. He is athletic, a good defender with a passable jumper. But he'll never be a dominant PG. He'll continue to get better as he gets more experience, but I don't think we've seen enough consistently great play to expect him to just one day become a Rondo, CP3 or Parker. On his best day he is a 2nd tier PG in this league.

Teague is a good, solid player. I didn't mean to insult him. But there's a boatload of 2nd tier PGs with production similar to what he's putting up: Jameer, Ty Lawson, Kyle Lowry, Jeremy Lin, Goran Dragic, Mo Williams, Mike Conley, George Hill.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1221795&start=0

I've been pretty consistent on Teague over the years. These quotes go back years here in the archive. Did I refer to him as below average recently?

[PandaKidd]

I dont think any rationale human being can say they wouldnt take Kyrie Irving over Teague. you gain 5 years of youth, and a better skillset to mold.

Im just saying Teague is making a case that a lot of us are taking notice.

Kyrie Irving would cost double the money, because he would be double the player. Hes that (potentially) good.

Teague will never be an All Star MVP

and he would play half the games that Teague would as well. Irving will never be an MVP either.

Teague will be an all-star next year if we stay healthy. Guarantee it

I truly hope so. Honestly.

Do you agree that Teague needs to develop a jumper? If he could add a pull up to his game, he would be virtually unguardable.

[PandaKidd]

Well i dont think we should get a superstar to say we have a superstar. The last time we did that we wound up with Joe Johnson. Paid him a Kobe Contract.

I would NOT be interested in WB, I would be interested in KI because I believe Kyrie can be coached. He played for Coach K. K doesnt go after dumb IQ basketball players. I think KI is in a bad situation, and honestly he has handled it very well IMO ? right?

Westbrook, reason why im not interested, is we would have to give up Teague + MIllsap or Horford to get him IMO. Theres no way OKC doesnt ask for the moon for him. Hes got his deal, hes got his contract. 16 million a year. And , his knees bother me.

He played 11 games for Coach K. Lets not get carried away with that.

He's handled it well? You don't remember all of the rumors and reports coming out of the Cleveland locker room earlier this season?

Hes handled his impending FA well IMO, hes not D12. hes not commented accept to say all the right things. Even with locker room issues with Waiters.

Coach K doesnt recruit guys who cant learn. Sorry.

[PandaKidd]

It takes superstars to attract superstars. Two years ago Dwight wanted nothing to do with HOU. Rockets acquire Harden in trade, makes the entire franchise more attractive. Rockets use one superstar (Harden) to attract another in free agency (Howard). Now Houston is mentioned as a potential destination for Melo.

We couldn't tank properly to get a lottery pick in a deep draft. We can't attract top free agents. Now we refuse to even consider trading modest players for superstars? This just sounds eerily similar to me...

I dont want any part of Harden, D12, or Melo

Gimme Parsons doe

Sorry, I dont think the Houston model wins a championship, EVER. Wont happen with those guys and that coach.

[Jamaaliver]

Irving will never be an MVP either.

Teague will be an all-star next year if we stay healthy. Guarantee it

Added to the predictions list. Expect this thread to be referred to often for the rest of your REALGM career. You've made some pretty bold predictions.

You'll either prove to be clairvoyant...or delusional. Either way, time will tell.
And Jamaaliver is ALWAYS lurking in the archives.

[ATLHawksfan21]

I dont think any rationale human being can say they wouldnt take Kyrie Irving over Teague. you gain 5 years of youth, and a better skillset to mold.

Im just saying Teague is making a case that a lot of us are taking notice.

Kyrie Irving would cost double the money, because he would be double the player. Hes that (potentially) good.

Teague will never be an All Star MVP

and he would play half the games that Teague would as well. Irving will never be an MVP either.

Teague will be an all-star next year if we stay healthy. Guarantee it

I truly hope so. Honestly.

Do you agree that Teague needs to develop a jumper? If he could add a pull up to his game, he would be virtually unguardable.

I would most certainly agree that Teague needs to work on his pull-up jumper. I don't see why you think it is impossible for him to do so though.

Teague's 3 pt shot improved greatly over the 2nd half of the season. He finished the last 3 months of the year with 3 pt %'s of 38.1%, 38.3% and 42.9%. That is a better 3 month span than any of the guys you listed earlier (Parker, Wall, Paul, Irving)

Teague also improved his FTA per game by 2 this season from last.

and this was with severe turnover throughout the roster and him being without his main pick and roll partner.

So why is it impossible for Teague to continue to improve again?

[PandaKidd]

Jeff Teague will NEVER be an all star. Add that too

The league has too many dominant PGs ahead of him:

John Wall
KI
Cp3
Curry
Parker
Rondo
Lillard
Dragic
Lowry
Walker
Westbrook
Rose
Conley
Deron Williams


Is teague going to go to the All Star game before ANY of those guys?

[ATLHawksfan21]

Irving will never be an MVP either.

Teague will be an all-star next year if we stay healthy. Guarantee it

Added to the predictions list. Expect this thread to be referred to often for the rest of your REALGM career. You've made some pretty bold predictions.

You'll either prove to be clairvoyant...or delusional. Either way, time will tell.
And Jamaaliver is ALWAYS lurking in the archives.

LOL. I'm glad someone has time to do all of this archiving because I sure don't. You just remember to pull it up when I'm right. I will be sure to bump that Beat the Heat thread when I get home from our game 6 victory tonight. You know, the one where you and Panda said we stood no chance against the Pacers and Teague would get eaten alive.

[PandaKidd]

and he would play half the games that Teague would as well. Irving will never be an MVP either.

Teague will be an all-star next year if we stay healthy. Guarantee it

I truly hope so. Honestly.

Do you agree that Teague needs to develop a jumper? If he could add a pull up to his game, he would be virtually unguardable.

I would most certainly agree that Teague needs to work on his pull-up jumper. I don't see why you think it is impossible for him to do so though.

Teague's 3 pt shot improved greatly over the 2nd half of the season. He finished the last 3 months of the year with 3 pt %'s of 38.1%, 38.3% and 42.9%. That is a better 3 month span than any of the guys you listed earlier (Parker, Wall, Paul, Irving)

Teague also improved his FTA per game by 2 this season from last.

and this was with severe turnover throughout the roster and him being without his main pick and roll partner.

So why is it impossible for Teague to continue to improve again?

Serious question, not being condescending.

Do you play basketball?

At 26 years old, its INCREDIBLY hard to teach a set shooter to shoot a JUMP shot. A shot where you elevate off the dribble. If you can shoot a JUMP SHOT, you are 70% ahead of most of the local Georgia high school kids I see play. most cant elevate off their feet. They shoot a half set/jump shot where if you have a hand up, they cant get the ball out of their hands.

Teague would have to dedicate 2000 shots a day over the summer and change his mechanics. Its INCREDIBLY hard and almost nobody does it. It takes too much work.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Jeff Teague will NEVER be an all star. Add that too

The league has too many dominant PGs ahead of him:

John Wall
KI
Cp3
Curry
Parker
Rondo
Lillard
Dragic
Lowry
Walker
Westbrook
Rose
Conley
Deron Williams


Is teague going to go to the All Star game before ANY of those guys?

LMAO I didn't know he competed with Western conference players for all-star nods.

Here's the East
Wall
KI
Rondo
Lowry
Walker
Rose
Williams

Williams is a straight bum now. Rose and Rondo are injured and I have no faith in Rose being his former self. Walker is not close to being better than Teague. Wall, Irving and Rondo are the toughest competition but Teague will get a ton of recognition if we beat the Pacers and then upset the Wizards or take them to 6 or 7. We will have a top 3 record in the East next year at the all-star break if we are healthy. Winning goes a long way when it comes to all-star selections.

I love how both of you go out of your way to discredit everything about this team. I can understand Jamaal, but you have season tickets so your posts are truly confusing.

Why on earth would you mention Western PG's in this post?

[PandaKidd]

Irving will never be an MVP either.

Teague will be an all-star next year if we stay healthy. Guarantee it

Added to the predictions list. Expect this thread to be referred to often for the rest of your REALGM career. You've made some pretty bold predictions.

You'll either prove to be clairvoyant...or delusional. Either way, time will tell.
And Jamaaliver is ALWAYS lurking in the archives.

LOL. I'm glad someone has time to do all of this archiving because I sure don't. You just remember to pull it up when I'm right. I will be sure to bump that Beat the Heat thread when I get home from our game 6 victory tonight. You know, the one where you and Panda said we stood no chance against the Pacers and Teague would get eaten alive.

bump it, I think I said something more along the lines of , i could see the Hawks winning, but the pacers were vastly superior talent wise, and tehy still are.

I still am not sold on Hawks winning this, they lose tonight, they are in BIG trouble IMO.

[PandaKidd]

Jeff Teague will NEVER be an all star. Add that too

The league has too many dominant PGs ahead of him:

John Wall
KI
Cp3
Curry
Parker
Rondo
Lillard
Dragic
Lowry
Walker
Westbrook
Rose
Conley
Deron Williams


Is teague going to go to the All Star game before ANY of those guys?

LMAO I didn't know he competed with Western conference players for all-star nods.

Here's the East
Wall
KI
Rondo
Lowry
Walker
Rose
Williams

Williams is a straight bum now. Rose and Rondo are injured and I have no faith in Rose being his former self. Walker is not close to being better than Teague. Wall, Irving and Rondo are the toughest competition but Teague will get a ton of recognition if we beat the Pacers and then upset the Wizards or take them to 6 or 7. We will have a top 3 record in the East next year at the all-star break if we are healthy. Winning goes a long way when it comes to all-star selections.

I love how both of you go out of your way to discredit everything about this team. I can understand Jamaal, but you have season tickets so your posts are truly confusing.

Why on earth would you mention Western PG's in this post?

because PGs dont always stay in the west broseph

Deron Williams moved, Rondo MAY move,etc. Those are the PGs in the league RIGHT NOW. In the EAst, I still think hes outside the top 5 if Rose is healthy

[ATLHawksfan21]

It takes superstars to attract superstars. Two years ago Dwight wanted nothing to do with HOU. Rockets acquire Harden in trade, makes the entire franchise more attractive. Rockets use one superstar (Harden) to attract another in free agency (Howard). Now Houston is mentioned as a potential destination for Melo.

We couldn't tank properly to get a lottery pick in a deep draft. We can't attract top free agents. Now we refuse to even consider trading modest players for superstars? This just sounds eerily similar to me...

I dont want any part of Harden, D12, or Melo

Gimme Parsons doe

Sorry, I dont think the Houston model wins a championship, EVER. Wont happen with those guys and that coach.

What? Melo and Howard are twice the player that Irving is. That statement alone is very telling.

[PandaKidd]

It takes superstars to attract superstars. Two years ago Dwight wanted nothing to do with HOU. Rockets acquire Harden in trade, makes the entire franchise more attractive. Rockets use one superstar (Harden) to attract another in free agency (Howard). Now Houston is mentioned as a potential destination for Melo.

We couldn't tank properly to get a lottery pick in a deep draft. We can't attract top free agents. Now we refuse to even consider trading modest players for superstars? This just sounds eerily similar to me...

I dont want any part of Harden, D12, or Melo

Gimme Parsons doe

Sorry, I dont think the Houston model wins a championship, EVER. Wont happen with those guys and that coach.

What? Melo and Howard are twice the player that Irving is. That statement alone is very telling.

Melo is 30, max contract to Melo or a 21 year old?

Not even a question in my mind.

I HATE Dwight Howard

[ATLHawksfan21]

I truly hope so. Honestly.

Do you agree that Teague needs to develop a jumper? If he could add a pull up to his game, he would be virtually unguardable.

I would most certainly agree that Teague needs to work on his pull-up jumper. I don't see why you think it is impossible for him to do so though.

Teague's 3 pt shot improved greatly over the 2nd half of the season. He finished the last 3 months of the year with 3 pt %'s of 38.1%, 38.3% and 42.9%. That is a better 3 month span than any of the guys you listed earlier (Parker, Wall, Paul, Irving)

Teague also improved his FTA per game by 2 this season from last.

and this was with severe turnover throughout the roster and him being without his main pick and roll partner.

So why is it impossible for Teague to continue to improve again?

Serious question, not being condescending.

Do you play basketball?

At 26 years old, its INCREDIBLY hard to teach a set shooter to shoot a JUMP shot. A shot where you elevate off the dribble. If you can shoot a JUMP SHOT, you are 70% ahead of most of the local Georgia high school kids I see play. most cant elevate off their feet. They shoot a half set/jump shot where if you have a hand up, they cant get the ball out of their hands.

Teague would have to dedicate 2000 shots a day over the summer and change his mechanics. Its INCREDIBLY hard and almost nobody does it. It takes too much work.

I've played organized basketball since I was 5 years old. I just recently played in a church league with a few former D-1 players and Marquis Daniels this past winter. I'm 30 now and out of shape so my better days are behind me.

[PandaKidd]

Also regarding the jump shot thing, its VERY rare to have guys like Harden and Curry who have a lightning quick release and dont really jump.

Teague would have to alter his entire mechanics, something thats probably the most difficult thing to do

[PandaKidd]

I would most certainly agree that Teague needs to work on his pull-up jumper. I don't see why you think it is impossible for him to do so though.

Teague's 3 pt shot improved greatly over the 2nd half of the season. He finished the last 3 months of the year with 3 pt %'s of 38.1%, 38.3% and 42.9%. That is a better 3 month span than any of the guys you listed earlier (Parker, Wall, Paul, Irving)

Teague also improved his FTA per game by 2 this season from last.

and this was with severe turnover throughout the roster and him being without his main pick and roll partner.

So why is it impossible for Teague to continue to improve again?

Serious question, not being condescending.

Do you play basketball?

At 26 years old, its INCREDIBLY hard to teach a set shooter to shoot a JUMP shot. A shot where you elevate off the dribble. If you can shoot a JUMP SHOT, you are 70% ahead of most of the local Georgia high school kids I see play. most cant elevate off their feet. They shoot a half set/jump shot where if you have a hand up, they cant get the ball out of their hands.

Teague would have to dedicate 2000 shots a day over the summer and change his mechanics. Its INCREDIBLY hard and almost nobody does it. It takes too much work.

I've played organized basketball since I was 5 years old. I just recently played in a church league with a few former D-1 players and Marquis Daniels this past winter.

Then you have to agree that it would be basically like teaching a left to shoot right. Its incredibly hard. Hes not likely to do it, hes made no attempts yet and most people think that is the problem with his offensive game. He relies on the floater and athleticism too much. Floaters are increibly difficult to shoot.