What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder?

Post #41 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:50 pm

This is the type of off-ball movement we need to see from our SF moving forward. He can be a limited player as long as he's constantly moving on offense and can hit open, corner threes.

D Hunter should be watching and taking notes...

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Post #42 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:14 pm

Improvement already:

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jayu70 · Post #43 » by **jayu70** » Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:31 pm

Pre and Post Allstar 3 point shooting. (Before and After Quin)

1. Trae - 112/346 = 32.4%, 42/114 = 36.8%
2. DJ - 110/303 = 36.3%, 23/84 = 27.4%
3. Dre - 78/217 = 35.9%,  22/69 = 31.9%
4. JC - 40/161= 24.8%,  30/79 = 38.0%
5. CC - N/A
6. Bogi - 93/243= 38.3%,  53/117 = 45.3%
7. OO - 1/5= 20.0%,  3/8 = 37.5%
8. JJ - 23/81= 28.4.8%,  7/23 = 30.4%
9. Bey - 39.5% as a Hawk
10. AJ - 82/202 = 39.4%,  19/51 = 37.3%

Post #44 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat May 6, 2023 1:39 am

On the defensive side of the ball, we actually saw Hawks experiment with this a bit during the Celtics series. They weren't very effective at it, though.

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Geaux_Hawks · Post #45 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat May 6, 2023 2:06 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:On the defensive side of the ball, we actually saw Hawks experiment with this a bit during the Celtics series. They weren't very effective at it, though.

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Probably due to a lot of different reasons. One of those being Nate wasn't intuitive enough to even consider it, and so Snyder all of a sudden throwing it into the mix was something new the team needs to learn how to do effectively. Another being that we have more than just 1 weak link in the fence. Which spreads into many different directions as to further expound upon from here. Guys don't communicate well; They don't have the awareness of what's going on; lacking versatile defenders; We don't see a 100% effort being given;or lastly, the physical tools just aren't there.

Quite frankly, we have a bad mix of defenders right now, and could really use upgrades both in the starting lineup and off the bench when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. Pre switching would certainly help mask some of Trae's bad defense, but it's going to only work if we have the pieces needed to make it happen.

Post #46 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu May 11, 2023 2:32 pm

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tbhawksfan1 · Post #47 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Fri May 12, 2023 9:59 am

A lot of this comparing Hawks under NMc and QS is why I'd be very weary to sell low on our guys. Especially if trading with a team like TOR which was very well coached under Nurse

Good coaching usually increases player's percieved value a lot

Post #48 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri May 12, 2023 12:43 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:A lot of this comparing Hawks under NMc and QS is why I'd be very weary to sell low on our guys. Especially if trading with a team like TOR which was very well coached under Nurse

Good coaching usually increases player's percieved value a lot

Does this apply to John Collins and his $25+ million salary as well? :winkgrin:

Geaux_Hawks · Post #49 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Fri May 12, 2023 9:55 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:This is the type of off-ball movement we need to see from our SF moving forward. He can be a limited player as long as he's constantly moving on offense and can hit open, corner threes.

D Hunter should be watching and taking notes...

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The thing about Wiggins is that he's a much better ball handler and finisher than Dre. It's more than just the movement that GS operates with. Wiggins actually finishes in traffic and isn't robotic with the ball in his hands. Wiggins had a massive improvement shooting, and that's what really helped him elevate as a player. Teams have to give him some respect as a shooter, which allows him to take advantage of his physical gifts on offense.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #50 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sat May 13, 2023 7:56 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:A lot of this comparing Hawks under NMc and QS is why I'd be very weary to sell low on our guys. Especially if trading with a team like TOR which was very well coached under Nurse

Good coaching usually increases player's percieved value a lot

Does this apply to John Collins and his $25+ million salary as well?

Well yeah, it goes for everyone. Thing that worries me with JC is the rebounds though. You don't need to be set up to grab boards

TOR and MIA are two teams that always play above their talent. Hawks have been playing way below their talent for two seasons. Here's hoping that Quin can make our team a top coached team. There's a lot of talent to develop

As far as personnel I don't like CC, JC front-court and TY, DM back-court. I think that DM has more value to a team that will play him at PG

Post #51 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun May 14, 2023 11:14 pm

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Post #54 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Jul 2, 2023 4:26 am

Nice to see AJ on this list at such a young age. hopefully Trae returns to the top of this list cause his floater is one of the most important parts of his offensive arsenal.

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Post #55 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jul 3, 2023 1:54 pm

I think this means that Trae over-dribbles...a lot.

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D21 · Post #56 » by **D21** » Tue Jul 4, 2023 12:19 am

Jamaaliver wrote:I think this means that Trae over-dribbles...a lot.

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Sure, but at the same, there are only PGs in the bottom of the list, and none in the top.
Would need to know if some PGs are really much higher or if they are just above Trae

jayu70 · Post #57 » by **jayu70** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 12:09 am

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Post #58 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:22 pm

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