Joe Johnson: Contract Has Been Signed

[The Legynd]

What would it take for Portland to acquire Johnson in a S&T?

Not on the table:
Roy
Aldridge
Oden
Batum

[raleigh]

What would it take for Portland to acquire Johnson in a S&T?

One of Roy, Aldridge, Oden, or Batum.

[Jamaaliver]

It takes something to get something Legynd. You can't expect to get a guy whos numbers are equal to Brandon Roy, who is essentially, the top player on a playoff caliber team, without giving up something to get him.

Plus, Joe would have to agree to go to Oregon and play second fiddle to a less accomplished player.

But for the sake of argument, Marcus camby, Martell Webster and a 1st rounder might get you Joe Johnson if you'll take Marvin Williams with him.

[gino_giode]

Is Joe going to get 20mil if the Hawks are swept by the Magic? Don't go all crazy but he has looked very unimpressive in games because he inevitably becomes a broken record and just murders whatever offensive flow the team had. I see him as a very good #2 scorer who works off another player, so I would probably give him +16 mil a year.

[evildallas]

It'd be hard to match up the salaries, but I'd willingly take Pryzbilla, Webster, Fernandez and Bayless to make salaries close enough for cap rules. I don't really want Webster, but Pryzbilla and Webster are necessary to get the salary close. If you balk at both Fernandez and Bayless we could accept salary filler (Pendergraph) and future picks instead of Bayless.

Fernandez is the must as he's still on his rookie deal and although he regressed this year I've not given up on him. Pryzbilla's 7.4M salary is expiring this year and he would add defensive length off the bench if healthy. Webster has 2 guaranteed seasons on his deal and can score some off the bench, but is in just as salary filler. I'd like to get Bayless, but if not I'd settle for a combination of picks (2011 2nd and 2012 1st). My thought being on the picks that 2012 should be a deeper draft and the extra pick should help us move up a little potentially for an impact player if possible.

[The Legynd]

I figured it would take one of them. lol. I just was hoping to see that Atlanta was ready for a change and willing to sell cheap.

Thanks for the input though, it gives me an idea what he is worth to Hawk's fans.

[Rapsobsessed7]

i was also wondering if the Raptors could get him assuming we can say to Bosh were going after Joe Johnson will you stay and he agrees.

Jack, Calderon, Derozan, Weems, Belinelli, Expirings (Evans + Banks), #13 in the draft

would all be available for johnson, anything enticing there?

[evildallas]

i was also wondering if the Raptors could get him assuming we can say to Bosh were going after Joe Johnson will you stay and he agrees.

Jack, Calderon, Derozan, Weems, Belinelli, Expirings (Evans + Banks), #13 in the draft

would all be available for johnson, anything enticing there?

The draft pick doesn't help because of timing (draft before free agency).

I don't know how Rick Sund feels about various players (like Calderon or Derozan) so my opinion doesn't hold much weight, but a combination of Jack, Derozan, Evans expiring contract and a future 1st would get it done for me. I like Calderon, but his contract is a little rich in my mind. Jack's deal is affordable. And Derozan has more time left on his rookie deal (why I chose him over Belinelli).

[SAUCERY_SWEET]

I would take Jack/Derozan, Amir Johnson and a future pick please if it had to come to that.

[ATL DirtyBird]

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks ... 22943.html

I dont even know how to respond to something like that.

[HoopsGuru25]

Atlanta is a horrible sports city but I wish Joe would just stfu sometimes. You can't wait until after the game to play the role of "outspoken team leader".

[ATL DirtyBird]

Atlanta is a horrible sports city but I wish Joe would just stfu sometimes. You can't wait until after the game to play the role of "outspoken team leader".

Is it just me or is this signifying the end of the JJ era in the A? He has done nothing to show he deserves the contract he desires, and has said nothing that makes me believe he wants to stay, or make me want him to stay.

[HoopsGuru25]

I don't think this signifies the end of any era. This isn't the 1st time Joe has said something about the fan support(or lack there of). He just likes speaking his mind to the media despite showing no leadership skills on the court.

[Jamaaliver]

I see this as a sign of frustration. He probably won't be back next season, but Joe has never been one to inflame or offend with his words.

Don't read too much into what is said directly following a 25 point blowout at home in the playoffs.

[HMFFL]

Joe goes on to say:

“It’s terrible to have a performance like that, especially individuals, [including] myself,” Johnson said. “These guys look to me for guidance, and when you are playing like that, it is almost impossible for us to win. I take a lot of heat for this, a lot of criticism.”

Not enough. If Joe signs with New York I doubt he can handle the pressure from the media. For the most part the AJC is soft and I'd like to see them be more critical of the home team.

[evildallas]

Let's not get off on the tangent of fan support or lack thereof. That isn't what this is about. It wasn't that the fans didn't show up. They booed. I didn't boo, but I certainly understand those who did. Bad games happen. Bad losses happen. Bad effort sucks. I think some people felt the effort was poor by the Hawks. Also I didn't notice it directly particularly at Joe as the booing was mainly at the end of quarters/game like they were unhappy with product they were seeing on the floor.

On the way out a lot of people were saying that Joe (and Woodson) needed to go. Why? People read the stories about what a player or coach thinks they deserve. They know that Joe turned down 60M over 4 years. They hear that he should be a max player. He's actually already is on a max contract. In the most important game of the season they watch Joe be tentative, pound the ball, and miss the shots. He doesn't come up big. He comes up very small. You tell people you want to be the man and you play like Joe has and you're likely to get booed.

Joe's quote is fine in mine opinion although fans don't like to hear they don't matter. The fans shouldn't have to bother him. He should be bothered enough by his performance. He gets around to admitting that later in the article. I would only counter to fan comment that if it is just about you guys in the locker room, do you guys think they you are giving it your best effort? If that's your best effort then it really doesn't matter if any fan shows up on Monday because you've already lost.

[evildallas]

P.S. The fact that he includes himself in the bad performances category might actually be a step in the right direction for Joe in media.

[Master8492]

Wow. JJ value seems to be out the door according to the proposal (by most Hawks fan).

[JoshB914]

That's Joe. He's said some controversial things before that kind of go under the radar nationally because the Atlanta media is so soft and the national media doesn't care about the Hawks for the most part. What he says into a mic doesn't really bother me, it's what he does on the court that continues to be the real cause for concern.

[Harry10]

To keep things organized with all the Joe Johnson talk that is and will continue to be discussed I have hijacked Harry's thread to sticky. Other topics about Joe will also be merged. If you feel you have a good topic about Joe Johnson or want to link the latest news you can create a new topic and it can be merged to this thread later on. HMFFL
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he is a good player, a really nice guy, it was a good run...... but honestly, is just way overpaid.

if Joe wasn't here and Jamal had to start, the Hawks would not get 50 wins, but they still would have gotten into the second round of the playoffs.

better to take the extra cap space and make some trades to get a top 5 guy or at worst case just sign two quality bench guys like Roger Mason, and Josh Howard.