Which player would you trade?

[SBM]

Signing Monroe would be good if we could get him for the same price as Sap. Other than that it might hurt more than help.

Teague/Dennis/ Mack at $1.5 per
Korver/Lou/Jenkins
Carroll/ Draft T.J. Warren,Glenn Robinson III, or McDermott $1.8
Sap/ Scott at $2 per/
Horford/Monroe $9.5 per/Antic

That is without even signing your 2nd rd pick or bring Bebe over. I don't see us signing the guy right out and I would not trade anything other than some combination of Lou, Jenkins, and Bebe for Monroe.

I would much rather have the following lineup

Teague/Dennis/Mack
Korver/Lou/Jodie Meeks
Carroll/P.J. Tucker/Draft
Sap/Scott/ Draft Mitch McGary
Horford/Bebe/Antic

You would still be about $3.5 to 4 million under the projected salary cap after making these moves. That is a really deep team.

[Rip2137]

Mack is going to make over 1.5.

Scott is going to make over 2. Both of those guys are good as gone.

[jagstang76]

I think going after Monroe is a mistake. The Hawks system relies on spreading the floor with shooters so that the PG can drive and dish. It also helps the pick-n-roll game. Monroe is a big who hasn't shown that he can shoot from outside. If he has a solid inside game, then it's a maybe for me, but honestly we need a big who at least has a mid-range game with some consistency for this to work. I think we're better off improving our depth even more and finding a FA who fits our system at the 2-3. Getting a solid wing who plays good defense and can keep the floor spread will go a long way to improving this team. Yes, I want a big that will take pressure off Al, but just getting any ole tall stiff isn't going to work.

[PandaKidd]

Mack is going to make over 1.5.

Scott is going to make over 2. Both of those guys are good as gone.

Not so sure about that. Mack wont get playing time anywhere else, Mike Scott prob wont either.

They may value short contract playing time over being a nobody.

Willie Green ? Goes to Clippers , neverp lays

[ATLHawksfan21]

Mack is going to make over 1.5.

Scott is going to make over 2. Both of those guys are good as gone.

Not so sure about that. Mack wont get playing time anywhere else, Mike Scott prob wont either.

They may value short contract playing time over being a nobody.

Willie Green ? Goes to Clippers , neverp lays

I would agree with this. I highly doubt that there will be teams begging to steal Mack or Scott from us. Scott had the 1 big game in the playoffs but he also had a few miserable shooting nights in that series as well.

[Jamaaliver]

Mack is going to make over 1.5.

Scott is going to make over 2. Both of those guys are good as gone.

Not so sure about that. Mack wont get playing time anywhere else, Mike Scott prob wont either.

They may value short contract playing time over being a nobody.

Willie Green ? Goes to Clippers , never plays

I would agree with this. I highly doubt that there will be teams begging to steal Mack or Scott from us. Scott had the 1 big game in the playoffs, but he also had a few miserable shooting nights in that series as well.

Agreed. Though one team that might be in pursuit of Mack--Boston Celtics.
His college coach is there now; they might pursue his college teammate Gordon Heyward.
Rondo and/or Avery Bradley could be out the door this summer.

And Mike Scott might not be in position to turn down long term financial security at his age. After taxes, lawyer/agent/manager fees I doubt he even banked $500,000 this season. If some team offers him $3 million to sit on the bench next season, I don't think he could reasonably turn it down.

Sidenote: How ironic would it be if Indy lured Scott away with a MLE offer?

[ATLHawksfan21]

Not so sure about that. Mack wont get playing time anywhere else, Mike Scott prob wont either.

They may value short contract playing time over being a nobody.

Willie Green ? Goes to Clippers , never plays

I would agree with this. I highly doubt that there will be teams begging to steal Mack or Scott from us. Scott had the 1 big game in the playoffs, but he also had a few miserable shooting nights in that series as well.

Agreed. Though one team that might be in pursuit of Mack--Boston Celtics.
His college coach is there now; they might pursue his college teammate Gordon Heyward.
Rondo and/or Avery Bradley could be out the door this summer.

And Mike Scott might not be in position to turn down long term financial security at his age. After taxes, lawyer/agent/manager fees I doubt he even banked $500,000 this season. If some team offers him $3 million to sit on the bench next season, I don't think he could reasonably turn it down.

Sidenote: How ironic would it be if Indy lured Scott away with a MLE offer?

I love Scott but he is worth nowhere close to the MLE. I would laugh at Indy if they gave him that much. I would think that both of these players recognize how much our coaching staff helped them develop in the past year and would want to keep developing. If I am Scott and Mack, I would rather sacrifice a few dollars and stay with the hawks for a year or two and let our staff squeeze every possible ounce of potential out of them and then try to go for a bigger contract.


Boston could be a suitor for Mack with the coaching connection but they already have Bradley and Rondo.

[theatlfan]

No idea how this thread became a discussion on Mack and Scott...

Still, I doubt either will be elsewhere next season unless we let them walk. For their part, both Mack and Scott have already said it'd be nice to come back. For our part, we have the option to offer a QO in the $1.1M range (and cap hold) which would only make them both RFAs. I just can't see an opposing GM being that interested in negotiating a contract for someone who'd be viewed as deep depth only to have it matched. Hence, for another team to step up with an offer to either, then they'd have to put a large overpay on the table - both so that the player would sign with them and that we wouldn't match. I guess the scenario is possible, just not very plausible.

[Jamaaliver]

Jamaal, what do you see in KCP that I don't? I think he is a solid defender but besides that I don't know if he will be able to contribute consistently on the offensive end unless he dramatically improves his jumpshot.

I just don't see that much of an upside in the kid.

By all accounts, KCP has been much improved of late. A friend of mine works for the Pistons and mentioned KCP and Drummond have been putting in a ton of work this summer and are favorites of SVG.

Also:

Pistons SG Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

The No. 8 pick in the 2013 draft was a pleasant surprise at the Orlando summer league. Averaging 24.0 points and 7.4 rebounds a game, Caldwell-Pope showed the Pistons that he can be a viable offensive option in the long run despite a rocky rookie year. In Orlando, KCP not only showed the ability to score on all three levels, but also showed improvements on defense and the boards.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/07/18/summer-league-standouts-anthony-bennett-kentavious-caldwell-pope/12848691/

I know it's just Summer League. But the fact that he's being featured prominently and shooting more confidently as a result, it's very encouraging. And his defense appears to be even more aggressive.

I wish Ferry had made an aggressive bid for the kid at the trade deadline when DET was desperate and KCP's stock was low. Kentavious is one of the few young SGs who could compliment both Teague or Schroeder going forward.

[kbrow20]

Would you consider one of these moves

James + Mekel for Jenkins
James + Mekel for Muscala
James + Mekel for S&T Mack
We need a center or a starting guard

We could thrown in a pick.

[theatlfan]

Would you consider one of these moves

James + Mekel for Jenkins
James + Mekel for Muscala
James + Mekel for S&T Mack
We need a center or a starting guard

We could thrown in a pick.

1st, I'm guessing the James + Mekel combo would be about as well accepted here as it is in DAL apparently - we're not really interested. With 14 roster spots accounted for right now, I'd guess that we'd prefer nothing to either of those 2.

2nd, the names on your list from us:
Jenkins: he's still making his way back from injury, but you get the feeling that we're not interested in waiting around to see if he ever makes it all the way back. I don't think we'd cut him, but I also don't think it'd take much to pull him - maybe a couple of 2nds... maybe less.
Muscala: "He's more valuable to us then he is to you." Just came off an impressive Summer League and looks like he could compete for our 4th big. Ideal fit into our system as a backup C.
Mack: We like him, but he could be had also. A 2nd wouldn't do it, but I think we'd drive him to the airport for a protected 1st.

[hawkschop1]

Haha I like that last line. Well written. Nice post.


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[kbrow20]

Would you consider one of these moves

James + Mekel for Jenkins
James + Mekel for Muscala
James + Mekel for S&T Mack
We need a center or a starting guard

We could thrown in a pick.

1st, I'm guessing the James + Mekel combo would be about as well accepted here as it is in DAL apparently - we're not really interested. With 14 roster spots accounted for right now, I'd guess that we'd prefer nothing to either of those 2.

2nd, the names on your list from us:
Jenkins: he's still making his way back from injury, but you get the feeling that we're not interested in waiting around to see if he ever makes it all the way back. I don't think we'd cut him, but I also don't think it'd take much to pull him - maybe a couple of 2nds... maybe less.
Muscala: "He's more valuable to us then he is to you." Just came off an impressive Summer League and looks like he could compete for our 4th big. Ideal fit into our system as a backup C.
Mack: We like him, but he could be had also. A 2nd wouldn't do it, but I think we'd drive him to the airport for a protected 1st.

Would it better if we do Felton + 1st for Mack?
Can Jenkins play PG?
Currently we have Harris and Felton with Mekel
Then for C we have Chandler with James. We need to upgrade our bench for both C and PG.
We are stacked at PF tho, Griffin, Dirk, Wright, Smith, and Lewis. Those big players are not a C type player.
Is Mack a solid Shooter and Passer? Is he solid on defense?

[theatlfan]

Would it better if we do Felton + 1st for Mack?
Can Jenkins play PG?
Currently we have Harris and Felton with Mekel
Then for C we have Chandler with James. We need to upgrade our bench for both C and PG.
We are stacked at PF tho, Griffin, Dirk, Wright, Smith, and Lewis. Those big players are not a C type player.
Is Mack a solid Shooter and Passer? Is he solid on defense?

At the deadline last season, rumor was that we had some talks with NYK over Jeff Teague. Rumor also was that we cut off negotiations as soon as NYK demanded that we take back Felton. Now, we're not in the same position we were then and DAL has more that could turn our head than NYK but yeah, I don't see us swallowing that contract without more incentive.
Jenkins is/was a heady player and before the injury there was some hope that he could be a Stephen Curry type PG albeit a shooting specialist was the most likely outcome. We don't have enough data post-injury to know though - just depends on how much athleticism he lost (and he couldn't lose much).
Mack is solid across the board - a "Jack of all trades, master of none" type. The type of guy you always want to replace but never can. Yes, he's solid at whatever you need really - unless it's as a guy who can put the exclamation point on a run, he tends to flub that somehow. I've comped him to Will Bynum as someone who could stick around for a decade as a 2nd to 3rd PG on a $2-3M contract, a good living to be sure.

We're pretty much in the same boat in the front court - bunch of 4s who are slightly miscast as 5s. Don't think we could help there.

[Jamaaliver]

Jamaal, what do you see in KCP that I don't? I think he is a solid defender but besides that I don't know if he will be able to contribute consistantly on the offensive end unless he dramtically improves his jumpshot.

I think what we saw from KCP this year is a really good signal towards what we can expect. At age 22, in his first playoff series, he played dynamite defense. He shot the ball incredibly well from three. he finished in transition.

My scouting projections are usually based on what to expect of a player in his prime, from 25-30.

KCP is already a promising SG in his formative years. Three years from now, under a good coach in a steady, principled system...I think you're looking at a Jimmy Butler caliber of player. Do it all, no major holes caliber of young man.

I'd give up anything on our roster to acquire him for the future.

[HMFFL]

OP,
I felt like this topic would come up months ago so I created this thread to gauge what other Hawk fans thought. I used Horford as the one to compare his value to and Atlanta fans didn't care for it. The outcome is just about what I expected but Monroe has been perceived to have a great deal of value by others (not on this board).

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