Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread

[Jamaaliver]

I was a bit surprised about the notification that I was quoted because I couldn't remember posting here.

I think Millsap's cap hold was initially something around 12 M (estimation, can't look it up anymore). So if he had agreed to sign a new contract by using his Early Bird Rights (=16.625 M) later in free agency, I think you could have spent an additional 4.625 M(difference between salary and cap hold).

But keep in mind that free agency is crazy this year, so less than 5 M can't even get you a reliable 6th man. So I think the impact of Millsap's additional salary isn't that big, especially if you see it simply as costs of retaining him. He could have signed elsewhere.

Thanks.

Well it's the truth. You renounce his cap hold and you lose his early bird rights.

I stand corrected. My apologies.

Parker being on the team COMPLETELY slipped my mind. They have a BETTER line up now, but that means they will probably trot out MCW, Middleton, Parker, Giannis, Monroe and I am just not sure that works well. And they lose a step or 10 defensively putting Monroe out there...

I know they see Giannis as a SG mismatch in the future, but I'm thinking at some point one or more of those young swing men (MCW, Giannis, Jabari, Middleton) is getting traded for good value.

Khris, jabari and Giannis all basically play the same position. But that lineup of 6'8" wings at every position is Billy KNight's dream roster come to life. They're trying to recreate GSW's ability to switch on every screen. But they still lack the shooting of Klay or playmaking of Curry.

In the meanwhile, they have nice core. They will likely pass us in the next 3+ years in terms of talent.

[PandaKidd]

They pushed the Bulls in the round 1 series. I think if they take advantage of their Athleticism they could be an interesting team. I like what they are doing talent wise, Monroe is the X factor to me.

[Jamaaliver]

They are going to push Millsap/Baze to back up Thabo, you watch. This team is going to look totally different. I think bud is adapting to his personnel. The are going to run big lineups more

I'd love a big lineup.

But, man. I don't trust Bazemore. he plays super hard. But his IQ seems lacking. Running at the basket as hard as you can every time you touch the ball...not dependable offensive strategy above the HS level.

Bazemore deserves a little more faith IMO. We need to remember that he had surgery last year and wasn't able to start practicing until shortly before the season started. Baze is a very hard worker and a full offseason with Bud and the crew should do wonders for the kid.

We'll see. I saw him mostly in the playoffs. I loved the intensity, particularly on Defense.

But his offense was...a rollercoaster ride of emotion.

[tbhawksfan1]

Horf / Splitter / Edy
Sap / Moose / Scott
? / Thabo
Korver / THJ / Baze
JT / Schro Mack

A small Mack + or Scott + trade for a Teltovic or a decent rotation SF that has some 3D and we look very presentable.Baze is too small to do much at SF. Even if we only bring in a decent SF I'd rather be a bit weak at SF than C. Can't wait to see how Bud is going to make it work

[D21]

That's incorrect. Millsap's cap hold was still 12.5 million so his 18 million is really only a 5.5 mill difference towards our cap space.

I'm not sure Cap Hold and Early Bird Rights are DIRECTLY correlated. Using EB Rights we could actually exceed the salary cap to retain him up to $16.6 million. (Hence, signing him last wouldn't have effected our cap space at all as long as it was for $16.6 million or less.)

RIP, Mace, D21?

Any amount for Millsap over the $16.6 million EB offer screws our cap royally...correct?

As long as he's not signed, he counts for $12,350,000
If we are at 55M with his cap hold, and the cap is 67M, we have 12M of cap space. We can sign a player starting at 12M (or absorb Splitter and sign a player starting at 3.5M), be at the cap, then sign Millsap with early bird rights for up to 16.6M in year1 (and end at 4.25M over the cap since the 16.6 replace the 12.35).

Instead, we absorbed Splitter's contract, sign Millsap, then can use the Room Exception of 2.8M
Interesting point is that Millsap will cost a bit more than Arron Afflalo+Brandan Wright+Paul Pierce (8+6+3.5), but it would have been hard to sign the three guys, even two, than keeping one of your own F.A.

[Jamaaliver]

As long as he's not signed, he counts for $12,350,000If we are at 55M with his cap hold, and the cap is 67M, we have 12M of cap space. We can sign a player starting at 12M (or absorb Splitter and sign a player starting at 3.5M), be at the cap, then sign Millsap with early bird rights for up to 16.6M in year1 (and end at 4.25M over the cap since the 16.6 replace the 12.35).Instead, we absorbed Splitter's contract, sign Millsap, then can use the Room Exception of 2.8M

Thanks, D21.

Unrelated note...

I can't stop thinking about all the things we could have bought this offseason in lieu of Millsap at $20 million.

Jae Crowder, Arron Afflalo, David West seems like a better bargain this year.

Tiago
Horford
Afflalo
Korver
Teague

Muscala
David West
Jae Crowder
Thabo
Dennis

Tavares
Scott
Bazemore
Tim Hardaway
Shelvin

Starting lineup is slightly weaker offensively, but the bench is much stronger with West and Dennis providing scoring punch.
And we could legit go three deep at any position.

Bringing in Tiago and Tavares makes this offseason a success regardless. But that astounding salary number for Millsap is...just unconscionable. Horford is going for $20 million+ easy. And with that kind of money in mind. I'd be okay with moving him in trade for one of those remaining long-term contracts out there. Gortat, maybe...Pekovic...Rudy Gay...

Just so much value to be had on the deals that currently exist at a much lower scale.

[D21]

It was also possible to sign Wright at 6M like said, or Ajinça at 5M (maybe a bit more to get him from his current team).
But it's simple to sign one guy than several.
And maybe Bud think that his team is not better with the guys we are talking about because they don't fit the system (IMO, Ajinça can fit because he's a good passer for a big man)

[Jamaaliver]

It was also possible to sign Wright at 6M like said, or Ajinça at 5M (maybe a bit more to get him from his current team).
But it's simple to sign one guy than several.
And maybe Bud think that his team is not better with the guys we are talking about because they don't fit the system (IMO, Ajinça can fit because he's a good passer for a big man)

I hear you.

And I'm certain Bud does think we're better with just Millsap here. Even at that exorbitant amount.

I hope he's right.

I'm just glad we got a Center.

[PandaKidd]

ESPN sources say Pistons have struck verbal agreement w/Aron Baynes to sign C away from Spurs on three-year deal (player option after YR 2)

[PandaKidd]

Im almost willing to bet everything that we are going to trade someone very soon.

[Rip2137]

Although we still have to acknowledge that we got killed on the boards from the 3 position more than any other position in the playoffs. that was more of a Demarre not boxing out/Lack of Thabo issue. I hope this stops people from clamoring for a big. The reason I wanted a upgraded big rotation was due to injuries that hampered us in the playoff this year, not because I think it cost us the series against the Cavs.

[td00]

We need Baze, especially on defense late in games. He might become that specialist.

I would like to hear about our SL roster also, not that there's anyone that can break into the rotation.
Ive heard Moose will be there, so I would expect him to play well.

Glad we didn't end up with Ellis on our roster; he goes to Indy for 4 years.

[Jamaaliver]

Glad we didn't end up with Ellis on our roster; he goes to Indy for 4 years.

They just paid $11 million for an 18 ppg scorer.

That's rather brilliant...

That deal will be easily movable in the coming years should he not fit well on that team. (But after Lance for so many years...Monta will be a breath of fresh air.)

[my2bits]

Greg Monroe signs with the Bucks on a MAX DEAL.

The Bucks look VERY talented right now............

I can't help but disagree. They look like one of the worse put together teams I have seen in a while. They have one guy that can consistently hit a jumpshot from anywhere on the floor in their starting lineup. That "Lets play josh Smith at the 3" Detroit pistons again. I mean, maybe another year under their belt will get them better, but I would be more worried if they still had Brandon Knight vs a line up of MCW, Middleton, Giannis, Monroe,Zaza? Or maybe they are moving Dudley or Williams in the starting lineup? Either way, they aren't looking that talented as a unit to me.

You seem to be forgetting that the Bucks also have Jabari Parker. He will be starting at one of the forward positions along side Giannis and Monroe up front. Hinson and Zaza will provide defensive size. In back you have a very good rotation of Middleton (he can shoot), MCW, Mayo (he can shoot),Vasqez (he can shoot), Bayless, Dudley (he can shoot)and their 1st rd pick Vaughn (he can shoot). Consider that they gained some playoff experience last year and they should not regress. If the greek freak comes back with a jumper all bets are off.

[PandaKidd]

Glad we didn't end up with Ellis on our roster; he goes to Indy for 4 years.

They just paid $11 million for an 18 ppg scorer.

That's rather brilliant...

That deal will be easily movable in the coming years should he not fit well on that team. (But after Lance for so many years...Monta will be a breath of fresh air.)

Ellis is a volume chucker doe.

So its a very different 18ppg than Millsaps

[Jamaaliver]

Glad we didn't end up with Ellis on our roster; he goes to Indy for 4 years.

They just paid $11 million for an 18 ppg scorer.

That's rather brilliant...

That deal will be easily movable in the coming years should he not fit well on that team. (But after Lance for so many years...Monta will be a breath of fresh air.)

Ellis is a volume chucker doe.

So its a very different 18ppg than Millsaps

Indy, with that dreadful offense of theirs, needs a certified chucker or two.

They would have benefitted so much more by throwing in the towel last year, trading D West and just being bad for a season.

That team with Willie Cauley-Stein and some shooters could be hell.

But hey, maybe Myles Turner turns into something down the road.

Time will tell.

[PandaKidd]

Yeah I think their window slammed shut. Hibbert will be traded or wont play. You have PG entering his prime, Ellis will work well with that roster, but your going to lose 2 really talented guy in Stephenson and West.

[Jamaaliver]

Yeah I think their window slammed shut. Hibbert will be traded or wont play. You have PG entering his prime, Ellis will work well with that roster, but your going to lose 2 really talented guy in Stephenson and West.

Portland, DET and Indy each lost their starting PFs this summer. And have a hard time acquiring top players in Free Agency. In a small (limited?) market like those, I'd NEVER let top players reach the end of their contract or opt out years for nothing.

POR has at least managed to move Batum and kick off a quick rebuild. But Indy and DET will struggle to score again. No way DET should have refused to move Monroe for something.

Indy and D West situation...just stubbornness on the part of L Bird to think long-term over short-term.

[PandaKidd]

Just thinking out loud here, Danny Granger...........

He just got traded to DET , makes 2 million, not sure DET needs him? Cheap backup at SF?

[ATL Boy]

I'd be on board with Granger, he also provides some veteran leadership and would be a steadying locker room presence like Elton Brant was.