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Moose wrote:I'm a little biased, but out of all the realistic trades I hear about for Murray, the Knicks sending Grimes, Fournier, and picks seems to make the most sense.
Grimes could fit nicely with Trae and the Knicks have some decent picks they can trade.
winforlose wrote:What about KAT, Jaden McDaniels and Wendell Moore Jr, for Trae Young and Jalen Johnson.
P.S, To those who say KAT is not worth Trae, Jaden is enough of an upgrade over Jalen Johnson to bridge the difference.
Jamaaliver wrote:winforlose wrote:What about KAT, Jaden McDaniels and Wendell Moore Jr, for Trae Young and Jalen Johnson.
P.S, To those who say KAT is not worth Trae, Jaden is enough of an upgrade over Jalen Johnson to bridge the difference.
I'm reluctant to add KAT to play next to Trae. I have 0 interest in making Karl-Anthony our new franchise player.
I'd rather just bottom out & rebuild around Jalen Johnson and rookie SG Kobe Bufkin than put the fate of my favorite sports franchise in that dude's hands.
winforlose wrote:What about KAT, Jaden McDaniels and Wendell Moore Jr, for Trae Young and Jalen Johnson.
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jayu70 wrote:winforlose wrote:What about KAT, Jaden McDaniels and Wendell Moore Jr, for Trae Young and Jalen Johnson.
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KAT has not shown the ability to be the lead guy.
winforlose wrote:jayu70 wrote:winforlose wrote:What about KAT, Jaden McDaniels and Wendell Moore Jr, for Trae Young and Jalen Johnson.
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KAT has not shown the ability to be the lead guy.
Why does he need to be? Why cannot Murray run the offense and distribute to capable shooters who are high efficiency and used to playing both with and without pace (21 and 23 wolves respectively?) Having a large defensively capable lineup full of floor spacers is the path forward for the Hawks.
jayu70 wrote:winforlose wrote:jayu70 wrote:
KAT has not shown the ability to be the lead guy.
Why does he need to be? Why cannot Murray run the offense and distribute to capable shooters who are high efficiency and used to playing both with and without pace (21 and 23 wolves respectively?) Having a large defensively capable lineup full of floor spacers is the path forward for the Hawks.
I don't see Towns as the face of a franchise going forward. Trae has provided more winning in his 5+ years than Towns has done in Minny. If the Hawks are trading Trae, they are going full scorched earth rebuild.
Hawks are exceedingly high on Jalen Johnson and doubt they would move him. He offers being a cornerstone piece more than McDaniels. His offensive versatility offers so much more as well as his rebounding. His defense is also nothing to sneeze about - still needs work but coming along nicely.
winforlose wrote:jayu70 wrote:winforlose wrote:
Why does he need to be? Why cannot Murray run the offense and distribute to capable shooters who are high efficiency and used to playing both with and without pace (21 and 23 wolves respectively?) Having a large defensively capable lineup full of floor spacers is the path forward for the Hawks.
I don't see Towns as the face of a franchise going forward. Trae has provided more winning in his 5+ years than Towns has done in Minny. If the Hawks are trading Trae, they are going full scorched earth rebuild.
Hawks are exceedingly high on Jalen Johnson and doubt they would move him. He offers being a cornerstone piece more than McDaniels. His offensive versatility offers so much more as well as his rebounding. His defense is also nothing to sneeze about - still needs work but coming along nicely.
If you think Jalen has a higher ceiling than Jaden, that makes sense. That said, Jaden is taller, longer, and already a top defender. Jalen is younger and a better rebounder. Both are phenomenal players and both will have bright futures. Regarding Trae, I just don’t think he is a cornerstone piece anywhere. The Wolves were poorly managed and in the West so of course they lost. Andrew Wiggins was our second best player and outside of the Butler year the wasn’t much in the way of a third best. Trae had more advantages and just doesn’t seem to be getting where you are trying to go. Moreover, without your picks in 25 and 27 and owing a swap in 26, a rebuild doesn’t seem imminent. My trade makes you guys very tough right now. That said, if you don’t see a future in Kobe and Okongwu then I could see you being hesitant to put faith in the current setup.
jayu70 wrote:winforlose wrote:jayu70 wrote:I don't see Towns as the face of a franchise going forward. Trae has provided more winning in his 5+ years than Towns has done in Minny. If the Hawks are trading Trae, they are going full scorched earth rebuild.
Hawks are exceedingly high on Jalen Johnson and doubt they would move him. He offers being a cornerstone piece more than McDaniels. His offensive versatility offers so much more as well as his rebounding. His defense is also nothing to sneeze about - still needs work but coming along nicely.
If you think Jalen has a higher ceiling than Jaden, that makes sense. That said, Jaden is taller, longer, and already a top defender. Jalen is younger and a better rebounder. Both are phenomenal players and both will have bright futures. Regarding Trae, I just don’t think he is a cornerstone piece anywhere. The Wolves were poorly managed and in the West so of course they lost. Andrew Wiggins was our second best player and outside of the Butler year the wasn’t much in the way of a third best. Trae had more advantages and just doesn’t seem to be getting where you are trying to go. Moreover, without your picks in 25 and 27 and owing a swap in 26, a rebuild doesn’t seem imminent. My trade makes you guys very tough right now. That said, if you don’t see a future in Kobe and Okongwu then I could see you being hesitant to put faith in the current setup.
Jaden has a body of work in his first 3 years than Jalen does since Nate refused to play him last year. However, since being a starter this year, he has shown more promise as a piece you can build your team around because of his offensive versatility and his improving defense. I don't think you can say the same about Jaden, more complimentary. Just comparing their stats this year:
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2024&year_max=2024&player_id1=johnsja05&player_id2=mcdanja02
Who is the best player that Trae has played with before Murray? and where would you rank them? top 30?40?50?
I look at those 2025/2027 picks as a sunk cost. Move past it. If we are trading Trae - do it for as many picks/young players with potential as you can and rebuild.
winforlose wrote:jayu70 wrote:winforlose wrote:
If you think Jalen has a higher ceiling than Jaden, that makes sense. That said, Jaden is taller, longer, and already a top defender. Jalen is younger and a better rebounder. Both are phenomenal players and both will have bright futures. Regarding Trae, I just don’t think he is a cornerstone piece anywhere. The Wolves were poorly managed and in the West so of course they lost. Andrew Wiggins was our second best player and outside of the Butler year the wasn’t much in the way of a third best. Trae had more advantages and just doesn’t seem to be getting where you are trying to go. Moreover, without your picks in 25 and 27 and owing a swap in 26, a rebuild doesn’t seem imminent. My trade makes you guys very tough right now. That said, if you don’t see a future in Kobe and Okongwu then I could see you being hesitant to put faith in the current setup.
Jaden has a body of work in his first 3 years than Jalen does since Nate refused to play him last year. However, since being a starter this year, he has shown more promise as a piece you can build your team around because of his offensive versatility and his improving defense. I don't think you can say the same about Jaden, more complimentary. Just comparing their stats this year:
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2024&year_max=2024&player_id1=johnsja05&player_id2=mcdanja02
Who is the best player that Trae has played with before Murray? and where would you rank them? top 30?40?50?
I look at those 2025/2027 picks as a sunk cost. Move past it. If we are trading Trae - do it for as many picks/young players with potential as you can and rebuild.
I hear you. I just wonder if you trade Trae for picks then how valuable are those picks? You only get them by trading him to a good team. Meanwhile you are tanking and rebuilding and your great picks go elsewhere. Maybe if you can move Trae for your picks back that makes sense. Otherwise, you are better off trying to get better and move forward.
PhillyFan11 wrote:Covington, Springer, Korkmaz, House, ‘26 OKC 1st, and 3 2nd’s
For Bogdanovic and Bey
Sixers fan wondering if that would be sufficient value? Future 1st, Springer, ‘24, ‘28 & ‘29 2nd + $21M in expirings get it done?
saloonyk8 wrote:Would anyone trade Hunter for Wiggins?
saloonyk8 wrote:Is there any deal framework with Murray for Jaden McDaniels?
Wolves aren't trading KAT right now and Hawks aren't trading Trae.
