The Miami Problem: Division Domination

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:51 pm

Congrats to the Heat for a really special run through the playoffs. They struggled the regular season, but really turned it on in the postseason and had some memorable moments unlike anything we've seen in recent years.

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Miami has basically run the division for the entirety of its existence. In 19 years since the division was created, Miami has won 12 division titles. Almost twice as many as the other 4 teams combined. That's over multiple eras, multiple coaches, multiple top players.

My questions to the board:

How do the Heatles manage this sustained success?
Are we finally ready to snatch the crown?
Can we become the dominant power for the next few years?
Is there another SE Division Team better equipped to take the reins long term?

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:52 pm

How do they do this?
Why have we never come close to matching this level of consistency or success?

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jayu70 · Post #3 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:56 pm

They have owner, front office (particularly Pat Riley) and coaching consistency. We don't.
We've been thru Ferry, Bud, Schlenk, Fields since Ressler bought the team. On the coaching side: Bud, LP, Nate and now Quin. That's too much turnover in just 8 years.

Post #4 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:34 pm

jayu70 wrote:They have owner, front office (particularly Pat Riley) and coaching consistency. We don't.
We've been thru Ferry, Bud, Schlenk, Fields since Ressler bought the team. On the coaching side: Bud, LP, Nate and now Quin. That's too much turnover in just 8 years.

And Jayu nails it on the first try.

Leadership & consistency.

jayu70 · Post #5 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:21 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:They have owner, front office (particularly Pat Riley) and coaching consistency. We don't.
We've been thru Ferry, Bud, Schlenk, Fields since Ressler bought the team. On the coaching side: Bud, LP, Nate and now Quin. That's too much turnover in just 8 years.

And Jayu nails it on the first try.

Leadership & consistency.

Do we think we'll attain these under Ressler?
Is there another team in the division that you can see able to dominate in the same manner?
Will the Heat remain relevant after Riley's inevitable departure?

Do we think we'll attain these under Ressler? Ressler is too impatient and I think meddlesome and cheap (until he proves otherwise)
Is there another team in the division that you can see able to dominate in the same manner? Hawks have a guy they can build around, but lacks a consistency strategy. Wiz nor Horcats - No
Will the Heat remain relevant after Riley's inevitable departure?That's the elephant in the room

The new Champs Denver Nuggets top 7 guys in this run to the championship:

Drafted Joker in 2014 (1st NBA season in 2015), Murray in 2016, MPJr in 2019, Braun in 2022 [two missed lottery picks along the way: Emmanuel Mudiay #7 and Trey Lyles #12 ]

Traded for Gordon in 2021 (Harris, Hampton, 1st)
Traded for KCP in 2022 (out Barton and Morris)
Bruce Brown in 2022 FAcy

Think about this; guys like Gallo, Milsap, Jerami Grant, Will Barton, Kenneth Faried, Jusuf Nurkic, Javale McGee, Gary Harris, Malik Beasley, Jarred Vanderbuilt were once teammates with Joker/Murray. So the team that won last night has had their share of player turnover on the roster around Joker and Murray since they were both drafted.

The main stay from Joker's rookie season has been Coach Mike Malone (and Tim Conelly as GM until this year when Calvin Booth got the job) over the last 8 years:
33-49, 40-42, 46-36, 54-28, 46-27, 47-25, 48-34, 53-29.

Hawks are now on their 3rd head coach since the rebuild started in 2018 with front office upheaval this past year. Record over that span:

29-53, 20-47 (two deliberatetanking years), 41-31, 43-39, 41-41

I'm hoping we can have some stability in coaching and front office for at least the next 5 years.

Since 2015 when Ressler bought the team:
4 GMs: Ferry, Bud, Schlenk and Fields
4 Coaches: Bud, LP, Nate and Quin

That's too much turnover in 8 years.

Post #6 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:52 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:And Jayu nails it on the first try.

Leadership & consistency.

Do we think we'll attain these under Ressler?
Is there another team in the division that you can see able to dominate in the same manner?
Will the Heat remain relevant after Riley's inevitable departure?

Do we think we'll attain these under Ressler? Ressler is too impatient and I think meddlesome and cheap (until he proves otherwise)
Is there another team in the division that you can see able to dominate in the same manner? Hawks have a guy they can build around, but lacks a consistency strategy. Wiz nor Horcats - No
Will the Heat remain relevant after Riley's inevitable departure? That's the elephant in the room

Hawks are now on their 3rd head coach since the rebuild started in 2018 with front office upheaval this past year. Record over that span:

29-53, 20-47 (two deliberate tanking years), 41-31, 43-39, 41-41

I'm hoping we can have some stability in coaching and front office for at least the next 5 years.

Since 2015 when Ressler bought the team:
4 GMs: Ferry, Bud, Schlenk and Fields
4 Coaches: Bud, LP, Nate and Quin

That's too much turnover in 8 years.

I think Orlando now has the edge in young talent in the division.
I think Hawks and Heat have the two best coaches in the Eastern Conference.
I believe the new front office in Washington may be in line to take the lead for best run organization.

Poor Charlotte fans basically have no hope. :brokenheart:

Ressler (both of them) are the biggest hurdles for our franchise, long term.

jayu70 · Post #7 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:44 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:And Jayu nails it on the first try.

Leadership & consistency.

Do we think we'll attain these under Ressler?
Is there another team in the division that you can see able to dominate in the same manner?
Will the Heat remain relevant after Riley's inevitable departure?

Do we think we'll attain these under Ressler? Ressler is too impatient and I think meddlesome and cheap (until he proves otherwise)
Is there another team in the division that you can see able to dominate in the same manner? Hawks have a guy they can build around, but lacks a consistency strategy. Wiz nor Horcats - No
Will the Heat remain relevant after Riley's inevitable departure? That's the elephant in the room

Hawks are now on their 3rd head coach since the rebuild started in 2018 with front office upheaval this past year. Record over that span:

29-53, 20-47 (two deliberate tanking years), 41-31, 43-39, 41-41

I'm hoping we can have some stability in coaching and front office for at least the next 5 years.

Since 2015 when Ressler bought the team:
4 GMs: Ferry, Bud, Schlenk and Fields
4 Coaches: Bud, LP, Nate and Quin

That's too much turnover in 8 years.

I think Orlando now has the edge in young talent in the division.
I think Hawks and Heat have the two best coaches in the Eastern Conference.
I believe the new front office in Washington may be in line to take the lead for best run organization.

Poor Charlotte fans basically have no hope.

Ressler (both of them) are the biggest hurdles for our franchise, long term.

I think Orlando now has the edge in young talent in the division. Maybe, they have bigs but they lack the PG play to assist in the development of their bigs
I think Hawks and Heat have the two best coaches in the Eastern Conference. Agreed
I believe the new front office in Washington may be in line to take the lead for best run organization. They have a big decision to make on Bradley Beal: stay the course or rebuild?

Poor Charlotte fans basically have no hope. :brokenheart:

They have no direction

Ressler (both of them) are the biggest hurdles for our franchise, long term. Agreed. They need to get out of their own way

Post #8 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:25 pm

They're going to continue to be a problem in the short term...

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Post #9 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:45 pm

jayu70 wrote:The new Champs Denver Nuggets top 7 guys in this run to the championship:

NOTE: They also traded away Donovan Mitchell.

In your opinion, is the Nuggets model a valid example for us to follow?

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jayu70 · Post #10 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:39 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:The new Champs Denver Nuggets top 7 guys in this run to the championship:

NOTE: They also traded away Donovan Mitchell.

In your opinion, is the Nuggets model a valid example for us to follow?

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The Hawks have to find their OWN way. The Detroit model, the Spurs way with Bud. GSW model with Schlenk. Hopefully not the Jazz way with Quin.

jayu70 · Post #11 » by **jayu70** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:07 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Do we think we'll attain these under Ressler? Ressler is too impatient and I think meddlesome and cheap (until he proves otherwise)
Is there another team in the division that you can see able to dominate in the same manner? Hawks have a guy they can build around, but lacks a consistency strategy. Wiz nor Horcats - No
Will the Heat remain relevant after Riley's inevitable departure? That's the elephant in the room

Hawks are now on their 3rd head coach since the rebuild started in 2018 with front office upheaval this past year. Record over that span:

29-53, 20-47 (two deliberate tanking years), 41-31, 43-39, 41-41

I'm hoping we can have some stability in coaching and front office for at least the next 5 years.

Since 2015 when Ressler bought the team:
4 GMs: Ferry, Bud, Schlenk and Fields
4 Coaches: Bud, LP, Nate and Quin

That's too much turnover in 8 years.

I think Orlando now has the edge in young talent in the division.
I think Hawks and Heat have the two best coaches in the Eastern Conference.
I believe the new front office in Washington may be in line to take the lead for best run organization.

Poor Charlotte fans basically have no hope.

Ressler (both of them) are the biggest hurdles for our franchise, long term.

I think Orlando now has the edge in young talent in the division. Maybe, they have bigs but they lack the PG play to assist in the development of their bigs
I think Hawks and Heat have the two best coaches in the Eastern Conference. Agreed
I believe the new front office in Washington may be in line to take the lead for best run organization. They have a big decision to make on Bradley Beal: stay the course or rebuild?

Poor Charlotte fans basically have no hope. They have no direction

Ressler (both of them) are the biggest hurdles for our franchise, long term. Agreed. They need to get out of their own way

The Wiz got only salary relief for Beal, not even a protected 1st.
The next big decisions are what to do with Porzingas and Kuzma.

Post #12 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:09 am

I have no reason to believe Washington will be a threat to us. Miami and if Charlotte drafts Brandon Miller I expect them to be successful. We need a productive off-season so we can stay competitive.

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