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Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer?

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Which Lead Guard would you like to see the Hawks keep this summer?

Poll runs till Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:57 pm

DeJounte
8
35%
Trae
7
30%
Both
2
9%
Neither
6
26%
 
Total votes: 23

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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#21 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:09 pm

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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#22 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:18 pm

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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#23 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:04 pm

...right now?

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Post#24 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:10 pm

This ain't encouraging ladies and gents.

"It's this type of league where things change and things happen, but obviously my mindset is staying in Atlanta right now, I don't get caught up in the rumors and all that stuff, my contract is locked in for a couple of years and I don't have very much to say about it right now," Young said.

"The best players in the game have been traded. I mean some of the few lucky ones have been blessed to be drafted in situations where they win championships and it all be perfect for them, they can stay in that one situation forever and that is what I wanted to do with Atlanta, but who knows?"
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Post#25 » by raleigh » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:42 pm

I'm surprised by the poll results, mostly because I agree that both should be gone (assuming you can get the picks back from SAS).
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Post#26 » by Geaux_Hawks » Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:36 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:This ain't encouraging ladies and gents.

"It's this type of league where things change and things happen, but obviously my mindset is staying in Atlanta right now, I don't get caught up in the rumors and all that stuff, my contract is locked in for a couple of years and I don't have very much to say about it right now," Young said.

The best players in the game have been traded. I mean some of the few lucky ones have been blessed to be drafted in situations where they win championships and it all be perfect for them, they can stay in that one situation forever and that is what I wanted to do with Atlanta, but who knows?"
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Seems like he's just keeping it real. He doesn't know, and can only go by what's currently in front of him. The only thing negative I would assume he's referencing, is that it's up to management, and well.... maybe that isn't a good sign considering I doubt anyone trust them to make the right decisions at the moment. If for instance, Quin was to get ousted because Landry and Co think there's a need for someone else coaching, I could see Trae wanting out since he has recently praised Quin and has been bought in since day 1.
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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#27 » by azuresou1 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:50 am

I think it's in our best interest to move on from both Trae and DJM and basically everyone other than JJ and Bufkin/AJ Griffin (for lack of value reasons).

Trae for all our picks/swaps back + 2 FRP + Keldon Johnson (to be moved to a third team for assets)

DJM for best price

Capela and Hunter for best price

Okongwu probably won't fetch much but if we get a good price we move him too
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Post#28 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:07 pm

azuresou1 wrote:I think it's in our best interest to move on from both Trae and DJM and basically everyone other than JJ and Bufkin/AJ Griffin (for lack of value reasons).


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That is some serious house cleaning.

Interesting that you'd still keep JJ when he is our second best trade asset...
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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#29 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:30 pm

1 Burning question the Atlanta Hawks must answer during the final stretch run

Dejounte Murray or Trae Young?

Leading up to the NBA Trade Deadline, all the noise surrounding the Atlanta Hawks revolved around the possibility of trading Dejounte Murray. However, since the trade deadline came and passed, Trae Young has seemingly found himself at the center of trade whispers once again. A lot can change between now and the offseason and I can't help but wonder if, over the next couple of months, the Hawks will be debating whether to trade Murray or Young, or perhaps even both.

The Hawks are at a point where they clearly need to shake up their roster. At this point, a complete rebuild can't be off the table for the team either. The Hawks only have a couple of months before they must answer some big questions about their future.
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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#30 » by jayu70 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:31 pm

azuresou1 wrote:I think it's in our best interest to move on from both Trae and DJM and basically everyone other than JJ and Bufkin/AJ Griffin (for lack of value reasons).

Trae for all our picks/swaps back + 2 FRP + Keldon Johnson (to be moved to a third team for assets)

DJM for best price

Capela and Hunter for best price

Okongwu probably won't fetch much but if we get a good price we move him too
...and then what?
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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#31 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:57 pm

What NBA stars could be on trade block this summer?

A slow trade deadline should lead to more offseason trade movement

Trae Young, Hawks

You've surely heard the rumors by now. The pre-deadline chatter centered around teammate Dejounte Murray. Atlanta ultimately held onto him, and Hawks head coach Quin Snyder was reportedly a major advocate for that decision. In regards to their two ball-handlers, one league source told Marc Stein that the Hawks "know they have to trade one or the other." That has become a common sentiment. The Hawks acquired Murray hoping that both he and Young could grow as off-ball players when sharing usage. That hasn't happened. They are both, emphatically, point guards. Murray's value has dipped significantly as he's played out of position in Atlanta.

Young would net more. He isn't without his own flaws. He has at times been among the worst defensive players in the NBA. To be fair, he's quietly improved on that front, but he still carries significant physical limitations. His shot selection is inching in a better direction as well, but 2.1 catch-and-shoot 3's per game is still a tiny number compared to 6.7 pull-up attempts. He can be classified within the James Harden phylum of high-assist guards: he nominally sets up teammates, but does so while monopolizing so much of the offense that role players rarely feel involved in the ways that they do in, say, Indiana or Denver.

That's a complicated player to absorb. How many teams are equipped to fully hand an offense over to a 6-foot-1 point guard that doesn't really defend? San Antonio is the cleanest fit. If Tre Jones can turn Victor Wembanyama into the best NBA rookie in decades, just imagine what Trae Young could do for him. Wembanyama could protect him defensively better than any possible teammate. So could Anthony Davis, and you'll hear Laker rumors for all of the standard reasons. Los Angeles market, Klutch representation, an unhappy LeBron James. Young isn't quite a Russell Westbrook level of bad fit, but James isn't exactly known for surrendering offensive control. They'd bump.

Some significant change is coming in Atlanta. It might be Young. It might be Murray. It might be both. But in such situations it's always prudent to start with the player who'd bring the most back, and that's clearly Young.
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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#34 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 1, 2024 5:23 pm

Hawks offense is falling off a cliff without Trae.

I suspect the next month will reflect that this collection of players with Trae leading the attack is incapable of competing. meaning Dejounte is definitely not worth keeping long term without a MAJOR OVERHAUL of the roster.

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Re: Hawks will choose between Trae or Dejounte this summer? 

Post#35 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 1, 2024 7:01 pm

A real PG draws the defender away and hits the wide open man for an easy layup.

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Post#36 » by King Ken » Fri Mar 1, 2024 7:35 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:A real PG draws the defender away and hits the wide open man for an easy layup.

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He's a real PG but we have been spoiled by a truly elite offensive mastero with Trae at the helm.
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Post#37 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 1, 2024 7:37 pm

King Ken wrote:He's a real PG but we have been spoiled by a truly elite offensive maestro with Trae at the helm.




Seems like Murray should be. But the offense, in those victories, has been rough to watch.

The advanced stats are even worse.

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Post#38 » by King Ken » Fri Mar 1, 2024 8:02 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:He's a real PG but we have been spoiled by a truly elite offensive maestro with Trae at the helm.




Seems like Murray should be. But the offense, in those victories, has been rough to watch.

The advanced stats are even worse.

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This isn't a good offensive team and never has been. This has been the Trae Young show, for better or worse. I've been screaming for years that this team is offensively flawed. Especially at the 5.
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Post#39 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Mar 1, 2024 8:12 pm

King Ken wrote:This isn't a good offensive team and never has been. This has been the Trae Young show, for better or worse.


I've been screaming for years that this team is offensively flawed. Especially at the 5.


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