Who would you carry onto next year's Roster? – (Knowing what you know now)

[BK_2020]

Oh. So only 1 for 1 trades ?? or player(s) for same #of player(s) ?
we can trade pick(s) and a player for one player ?
What is the exact penalty for uneven trade combinations ?

They can trade a player for a player or players making less or equal money. They can attach picks to the trade.
They can’t trade 2 or more players in a single trade and they can not take back more money than they are sending.
There is no penalty they just can’t. If a team makes an aggregated trade then they are hard capped at the Apron.

Thanks alot for the breakdown !

I am still confused about the bolded statement. So you CAN make an aggregated trade but penalized with hardcap, or cannot make aggregated trade under AnY circumstance ?

We are way above aLL aprons

A little known CBA fact is that the only way any team can trade multiple players that add up to one player's salary is by using the aggregated players exception. You are not trading Brogdon and Robert Williams for Jrue, you are trading Brogdon and Robert Williams to create an aggregated players exception which is Brogdon's salary + Robert Williams' salary + $250k or whatever then taking Jrue into that exception. If you are over the 2nd apron you cannot use that exception, aka no sending multiple players for one player at all.

[brackdan70]

Oh. So only 1 for 1 trades ?? or player(s) for same #of player(s) ?
we can trade pick(s) and a player for one player ?
What is the exact penalty for uneven trade combinations ?

They can trade a player for a player or players making less or equal money. They can attach picks to the trade.
They can’t trade 2 or more players in a single trade and they can not take back more money than they are sending.
There is no penalty they just can’t. If a team makes an aggregated trade then they are hard capped at the Apron.

Thanks alot for the breakdown !

I am still confused about the bolded statement. So you CAN make an aggregated trade but penalized with hardcap, or cannot make aggregated trade under AnY circumstance ?

We are way above aLL aprons

They are kind of the same thing. If after an aggregated trade is completed you would be above the Apron, then you can’t do it. If after it’s completed you are still below the apron, then you are hard capped.
Yes the Cs are way above the Apron and there really are few trades aside from trading JB into someone’s cap space that would bring us below. So we basically can not aggregate and can’t take in more salary than we trade away.

[Parliament10]

The Poll has it currently in this order.
Hauser
Kornet
Tillman
Queta
Walsh

With these two a distance behind.
Springer
Brissett

I'm surprised that Walsh is in that Top 5.

[Fierce1]

The Poll has it currently in this order.
Hauser
Kornet
Tillman
Queta
Walsh

With these two a distance behind.
Springer
Brissett

I'm surprised that Walsh is in that Top 5.

As should be.

Walsh really has potential.

[shackles10]

The Poll has it currently in this order.
Hauser
Kornet
Tillman
Queta
Walsh

With these two a distance behind.
Springer
Brissett

I'm surprised that Walsh is in that Top 5.

As should be.

Walsh really has potential.

We all love potential and with the salary cap have limited ways to acquire it so I’m not surprised Walsh is in the top 5. That said I still think Walsh only has potential to have potential at this point. He has the tools, but he’s not even shown he can be an nba level defender and the offense is further behind.

[Fierce1]

The Poll has it currently in this order.
Hauser
Kornet
Tillman
Queta
Walsh

With these two a distance behind.
Springer
Brissett

I'm surprised that Walsh is in that Top 5.

As should be.

Walsh really has potential.

We all love potential and with the salary cap have limited ways to acquire it so I’m not surprised Walsh is in the top 5. That said I still think Walsh only has potential to have potential at this point. He has the tools, but he’s not even shown he can be an nba level defender and the offense is further behind.

He's just 20 years old.

Avery Bradley looked worse than Walsh as a rookie.

[brackdan70]

The Poll has it currently in this order.
Hauser
Kornet
Tillman
Queta
Walsh

With these two a distance behind.
Springer
Brissett

I'm surprised that Walsh is in that Top 5.

He represents our hope for a 15 year dynasty.

[shackles10]

As should be.

Walsh really has potential.

We all love potential and with the salary cap have limited ways to acquire it so I’m not surprised Walsh is in the top 5. That said I still think Walsh only has potential to have potential at this point. He has the tools, but he’s not even shown he can be an nba level defender and the offense is further behind.

He's just 20 years old.

Avery Bradley looked worse than Walsh as a rookie.

Walsh never got real minutes in the NBA so hard to say who was a worse rookie. Bradley was pretty bad though so not exactly a ringing endorsement lol

[Fierce1]

We all love potential and with the salary cap have limited ways to acquire it so I’m not surprised Walsh is in the top 5. That said I still think Walsh only has potential to have potential at this point. He has the tools, but he’s not even shown he can be an nba level defender and the offense is further behind.

He's just 20 years old.

Avery Bradley looked worse than Walsh as a rookie.

Walsh never got real minutes in the NBA so hard to say who was a worse rookie. Bradley was pretty bad though so not exactly a ringing endorsement lol

The good news is the expectations for Walsh is not that high.

And since he's a 2nd rnd pick, his salary will be very low.

[keevsnick1]

I'm not surprised people want to keep Walsh. A 6'7 rookie with a 7'2 wingspan decent athleticism and only 20 is a player worth keeping around to develop. If he eventually becomes a cheap rotation player that would be a great outcome for a 2nd round pick.

[Parliament10]

These back of the roster decisions are hard…glad I don’t have to make them.

11 dudes under contract assuming Hauser and Queta team options are exercised.
12 if Brissett opts in.
FRP is 13 which may be traded for seconds.
Need to sign one of Kornet / Tillman if not both.
We maybe have one roster spot for Davison or open or someone else.
I like the idea of signing both Kornet and Tillman if possible. With Zinger and Horford we need lots of depth in bigs.
I don’t mind if Brissett opts out, though I think he is a decent end of the bench guy that can play when needed. I do want to sign Davison if we can. I think he has some elite skills. I want us to draft a big either with a second or 30.
I like Springer but does a trade if him and 30 get us anyone?

I like keeping all the Bigs. Tillman being more of a PF than a C, and fitting into that Horford role.
We also have a bit of time to Develop some younger players behind Horford, Holiday and then Porzingis.

Celtics Roster, Proposed, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Porzingis
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Brissett? - Horford - Kornet
Reserves: Davison - XXXX - Walsh - Tillman - Queta
Two-Ways: Peterson - 2nd Rnd'er/Undrafted (x 2)


Trade = Springer for Pick/s.
Drop? = Brissett
Drop = Mykhailiuk

Maybe = Davison to Full-NBA
Pick-up = Peterson to 2nd Two-Way

[Fencer reregistered]

These back of the roster decisions are hard…glad I don’t have to make them.

11 dudes under contract assuming Hauser and Queta team options are exercised.
12 if Brissett opts in.
FRP is 13 which may be traded for seconds.
Need to sign one of Kornet / Tillman if not both.
We maybe have one roster spot for Davison or open or someone else.
I like the idea of signing both Kornet and Tillman if possible. With Zinger and Horford we need lots of depth in bigs.
I don’t mind if Brissett opts out, though I think he is a decent end of the bench guy that can play when needed. I do want to sign Davison if we can. I think he has some elite skills. I want us to draft a big either with a second or 30.
I like Springer but does a trade if him and 30 get us anyone?

I like keeping all the Bigs. Tillman being more of a PF than a C, and fitting into that Horford role.
We also have a bit of time to Develop some younger players behind Horford, Holiday and then Porzingis.

Celtics Roster, Proposed, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Porzingis
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Brissett? - Horford - Kornet
Reserves: Davison - XXXX - Walsh - Tillman - Queta
Two-Ways: Peterson - 2nd Rnd'er/Undrafted (x 2)


Trade = Springer for Pick/s.
Drop? = Brissett
Drop = Mykhailiuk

Maybe = Davison to Full-NBA
Pick-up = Peterson to 2nd Two-Way

Why does Tillman stay if he's not likely to be in the rotation?

Also, I think we'll finally have a FRP, unless it gets traded yet again.

[redslastlaugh]

I wonder what the market will be for Xavier Tillman in free agency. He’s an elite defensive big but not a lob threat, not a shooter, can’t make free throws, and may have injury concerns. Is the defense and passing worth a Nick Richards type 2 yrs for $10 million?

This is Tillman’s first extension so I’d think he takes whatever is the best offer from whoever. I wish the Celtics played him more after we acquired him and in more varied lineups to get a better idea if he fits and I hope coach plays him more tonight. It’s really not clear to me if he’s in their plans after this yr.

[BK_2020]

elite defensive big lmao

[redslastlaugh]

In EPM he’s the seventh best defensive big in the entire NBA:

Isaac
Hartenstein
Embiid
Wemby
Draymond
Bam
Xavier Tillman

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

[Parliament10]

elite defensive big lmao

This is an unnessary and mocking post.
You've been Warned enough.

~ Parl

[Parliament10]

These back of the roster decisions are hard…glad I don’t have to make them.

11 dudes under contract assuming Hauser and Queta team options are exercised.
12 if Brissett opts in.
FRP is 13 which may be traded for seconds.
Need to sign one of Kornet / Tillman if not both.
We maybe have one roster spot for Davison or open or someone else.
I like the idea of signing both Kornet and Tillman if possible. With Zinger and Horford we need lots of depth in bigs.
I don’t mind if Brissett opts out, though I think he is a decent end of the bench guy that can play when needed. I do want to sign Davison if we can. I think he has some elite skills. I want us to draft a big either with a second or 30.
I like Springer but does a trade if him and 30 get us anyone?

I like keeping all the Bigs. Tillman being more of a PF than a C, and fitting into that Horford role.
We also have a bit of time to Develop some younger players behind Horford, Holiday and then Porzingis.

Celtics Roster, Proposed, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Porzingis
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Brissett? - Horford - Kornet
Reserves: Davison - XXXX - Walsh - Tillman - Queta
Two-Ways: Peterson - 2nd Rnd'er/Undrafted (x 2)


Trade = Springer for Pick/s.
Drop? = Brissett
Drop = Mykhailiuk

Maybe = Davison to Full-NBA
Pick-up = Peterson to 2nd Two-Way

Why does Tillman stay if he's not likely to be in the rotation?

Also, I think we'll finally have a FRP, unless it gets traded yet again.

I actually think that Tillman would get some playing time, behind the other 3.
He may also be a better option than Kornet, on some Matchups.

Stevens is unlikely to pay the Gaurantee that goes with a FRP.
I see Brade trading out of the 1st Round continuously. At least, until the Starters start to age-out.

[RickyDizzle]

I like keeping all the Bigs. Tillman being more of a PF than a C, and fitting into that Horford role.
We also have a bit of time to Develop some younger players behind Horford, Holiday and then Porzingis.

Celtics Roster, Proposed, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Porzingis
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Brissett? - Horford - Kornet
Reserves: Davison - XXXX - Walsh - Tillman - Queta
Two-Ways: Peterson - 2nd Rnd'er/Undrafted (x 2)


Trade = Springer for Pick/s.
Drop? = Brissett
Drop = Mykhailiuk

Maybe = Davison to Full-NBA
Pick-up = Peterson to 2nd Two-Way

Why does Tillman stay if he's not likely to be in the rotation?

Also, I think we'll finally have a FRP, unless it gets traded yet again.

I actually think that Tillman would get some playing time, behind the other 3.
He may also be a better option than Kornet, on some Matchups.

Stevens is unlikely to pay the Gaurantee that goes with a FRP.
I see Brade trading out of the 1st Round continuously. At least, until the Starters start to age-out.

I think signing Tillman for 3 years would be great. First one with Al here (most likely) he doesn't play too much, but getting DNPs now probably reduces his price... if he's willing to stay. If we could get him, say 3 for 13 I would do that for sure. Even next year, Al will need rest, prozingis will miss games, some minutes to be had for him, queta, and kornet.

[BK_2020]

I mean the guy was dumped for a couple of second round picks one of them 6 years out how much lower can his price get?

[Celts17Pride]

I think Mykailiuk, Tillman (more money and more playing time from another team) and Brissett (see Tillman) will be gone.

Springer, Walsh, Queta, will have bigger roles. Celtics will keep the 30th pick.