Gentlemen Celts Spot Rest of League 1 Game Head Start! Opening Night Loss vs PHI 10/22

[Fierce1]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

[Bar Fight]

Season ended last year with a massive choke job so it’s only fitting that we start the season with another choke job

[Fierce1]

Last season the Cs opened the season by demolishing the Knicks.
Season ended with the Knicks kicking the Cs out of the playoffs in the 2nd round.

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Let's not forget this will not be the Celtic roster we'll be seeing in March.

[bucknersrevenge]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

Easily. So much this. More Minott, More Boucher. More Hugo.

[Fierce1]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

Easily. So much this. More Minott, More Boucher. More Hugo.

True.

It will only get worse when Tatum returns.

[fallguy]

No conclusions. But we're decidedly mediocre.

[redslastlaugh]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

Easily. So much this. More Minott, More Boucher. More Hugo.

I don't see it that way. Even today when Sam had a bad game, he led the team +8 in plus minus. His gravity is so powerful, Simons getting that dunk was because Sam was on the wing and the defense wouldn't leave Hauser.

Two years ago Sam led the entire playoffs in plus/minus ... all he does is win his minutes

[return2glory]

This loss with because of poor shooting from 3, going 11-43 (25%) and poor coaching.

Edgecombe and Maxey destroyed the Celtics and Joe stood there doing nothing. He made no adjustments against them. Minott, Hugo and even Walsh should have been on them for at least a small part of the game.

I said it in the last preseason game and I will say it again, I don't like the Pritchard, White and Simons lineups. Joe went with that lineup for most of the 4th quarter and our lead was gone.

Queta was great, especially in the 4th. I called him our best big last year, even though he played the least of our bigs. White and Brown were good.
Simons and Tillman were solid. Pritchard needs to play better.

[Shak_Celts]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

Easily. So much this. More Minott, More Boucher. More Hugo.

I don't see it that way. Even today when Sam had a bad game, he led the team +8 in plus minus. His gravity is so powerful, Simons getting that dunk was because Sam was on the wing and the defense wouldn't leave Hauser.

Two years ago Sam led the entire playoffs in plus/minus ... all he does is win his minutes

Plus minus is such a funny thing to me. When someone is good in that area they are deemed excellent, when someone is horrible in that department they are still great, unless it’s someone people hate on. Got real quiet on this matter during the playoffs the last couple seasons, when years prior it was brought up every time.

I just want to know when it counts and when it doesn’t. Who do we count it for or against? Does it really matter? I really want to know why, if it does.

[return2glory]

If you're going to later trade Simons, you play him in crunch time. If you're going to keep Simons, you play him in crunch time. Either way, you keep him in for crunch time. That sub out for Hauser killed momentum and helped give away the game.

Agree with this so much. Simons may have had a little nerves early but he shook it off and played a solid game. No major defensive mistakes. Outside of JB, he's easily our best iso scorer. Hauser was useless all night. PP was not good. Hauser has no business starting, and honestly, I would've rather seen Minott or even Hugo than him. Boucher disappeared as well. Not much run for him. This game needed the energy that those 3 bring. Hauser just doesn't add enough in his minutes.

Hauser will have his good games. But I agree, I rather have Minott or Hugo start instead of Hauser. If Joe isn't going to play Hugo, then Hugo should be in Maine the first few months to get reps. There is no reason Hugo shouldn't be getting at least 12 minutes a game for this team in a gap season.

[return2glory]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

I would keep Hauser. He is one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He is best when Tatum and Brown draw attention from the defenses and Hauser is left alone for the 3s. This team currently only has 3 good 3 point shooters: White, Pritchard and Hauser. I'm not counting Simons because I don't think he will be here next season or maybe even past the trade deadline.

That's being said, Hauser should not be starting. But I predicted he would start because I knew Joe was going to start him. When Baylor was shooting like he did in college, it would have been easier to move Hauser. But Baylor hasn't been a guy you can trust to hit the 3 on a consistent basis, yet.

[Fierce1]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

Easily. So much this. More Minott, More Boucher. More Hugo.

I don't see it that way. Even today when Sam had a bad game, he led the team +8 in plus minus. His gravity is so powerful, Simons getting that dunk was because Sam was on the wing and the defense wouldn't leave Hauser.

Two years ago Sam led the entire playoffs in plus/minus ... all he does is win his minutes

Winning his minutes doesn't necessarily mean it leads to the team winning.

Besides shooting, Sam is not great at anything else.

I get that teams won't leave Hauser open, but how about steals, blocks, and rebounds.

It's just a matter of time before Mynot and Boucher will be getting more minutes than Sam.

[Fierce1]

Yeah, Joe will eventually figure out what works best.

But since August, I have stated that Sam Hauser is expendable.
He's like Kyle Korver, a specialist.
The Cs need to use his salary for other needs, whatever Brad believes that may be.

I would keep Hauser. He is one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He is best when Tatum and Brown draw attention from the defenses and Hauser is left alone for the 3s. This team currently only has 3 good 3 point shooters: White, Pritchard and Hauser. I'm not counting Simons because I don't think he will be here next season or maybe even past the trade deadline.

That's being said, Hauser should not be starting. But I predicted he would start because I knew Joe was going to start him. When Baylor was shooting like he did in college, it would have been easier to move Hauser. But Baylor hasn't been a guy you can trust to hit the 3 on a consistent basis, yet.

We'll see.

If Brad does keep Hauser then I agree he should not be starting.

[Shak_Celts]

I think Joe is harder on Queta than anybody else, especially the other bigs, every season he has been here. He’ll play well, but make a mistake or two and get snatched quickly, but then you’ll see other bigs out there fumbling all over themselves and still get to play.

Sure, sometimes it’s to do with his fouling, but a lot of times it’s not even that. He definitely needs to work on that fouling, but I think his rope is too short.

He can be so good, but I don’t want him jerked around. Let him make his mistakes and play through them.

We were rolling last season with him starting, then guys got healthy and he rarely played after it. We looked worse after, we still won, but people could see things just didn’t look right. I’m sorry, if he’s helping us win, then you need to keep finding him minutes.

Even tonight, Joe was being Joe, not trusting other guys to play their way into minutes. He always favors older players or guys he knows. Didn’t give Minnot enough minutes on edgecomb for me. He defended him well on the two possessions before halftime.


I’m not being that hard on Joe because at least he played a lot of people tonight. He doesn’t usually do that. I just think he needs to trust other people a little more. You might find someone that just needed a chance.

S/N: I think he should’ve sent Hugo or Walsh in there for some defensive runs, when he saw that we weren’t bothering Edgecomb nor Maxey. If you see people being filleted, why not give the offender a different look? Try to throw them off their square.

[Jellybeans]

Embid is cooked..
That dude doenst even wanna jump

[FlatearthZorro]

11 of 43 from 3. Same tune, different season. C's should play fast basketball and attack early, instead it's the same stuff. That's the reason I kinda wanted Joe gone and I'm not jumping to conclusions, tanking wouldn't be bad, it's just the lack of adjustments is astounding.

[redslastlaugh]

I just want to know when it counts and when it doesn’t. Who do we count it for or against? Does it really matter? I really want to know why, if it does.

Honestly, plus/minus is who is winning the game. Lots of things that affect the game don't show up in the boxscore per se, but wins and losses don't lie.

Obviously, it's complicated because 5 men are on the court at any time and hard to divide what player's responsible for what, esp any given role player, but over the long run, the plus/minus reveals what players are winning the games.

I think plus/minus (in context) is really important and maybe the most important thing because it's results oriented. It's hard to understand every intangible and tangible thing that leads to winning, so it's easy to miss something, but the plus/minus is just telling me what happened.

And, were you referencing Jaylen Brown's plus/minus and that his lpus/minus and on/off was better last year and playoffs? If so, I think JB's game took another step last year, with playmaking and whatnot and his on/offs were his best ever, and I think that reflects his growth as a player

[Fierce1]

11 of 43 from 3. Same tune, different season. C's should play fast basketball and attack early, instead it's the same stuff. That's the reason I kinda wanted Joe gone and I'm not jumping to conclusions, tanking wouldn't be bad, it's just the lack of adjustments is astounding.

11 for 43 is below normal if you compare that to last season.

Fast basketball is dependent on the personnel you put on the court.
There's no way they can play fast if you have PP and Hauser in the game.
That's why some of us are pushing for more Mynot, Simons, Hugo, and Boucher.

This is just the first game of the season.
Joe will eventually figure out what lineup is best.

[jonige94]

Just tank, try to get a top 3 pick in one of the most loaded drafts ever, let the young guys play to bring their stock up and load manage D.White and Brown.

It's that simple.

[chrisab123]

They choked. But overall played well enough to win. Before I checked the usernames I thought Sixer fans were posting here.