True or False: Celtics would of been better off if......

ddb · Post #31 » by **ddb** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:48 pm

I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #32 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:52 pm

ddb wrote:I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

That would be a great trade for the Celtics.

ddb · Post #33 » by **ddb** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:55 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=all8nPOx3v4

Turgon · Post #34 » by **Turgon** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:20 pm

Well, Gortat could get his jersey 13 back here, so that's one point for us, I guess.

If we can get Gortat for that package Danny needs to do it ASAP. He can give us some physical presence in the paint and he is a skilled finisher, whose numbers will only improve with Rondo running the show.

702Celtics · Post #35 » by **702Celtics** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:22 pm

ddb wrote:I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

Where are you hearing this from? If true, pretty good trade for the Celtics. I think Gortat would play well under Doc's system and with KG/Rondo.

klemen4 · Post #36 » by **klemen4** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:43 pm

If I remember correct ddb you have some inside sources, right?

Well, the trade proposal looks realistic from BOS side, but doubt it is good enough for PHO. Of course I agree no way to include Bradley.

rondo/barbosa
bradley/terry
pierce/green
kg/bass
gortat/wilcox

Thats strong 8 man rotation+ spot minutes depending matchups for Barbosa and Wilcox. Exactly the way I imagine Rivers would play.

ddb · Post #37 » by **ddb** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:49 pm

I know some folks in bball ops that work directly with this type of stuff (trades, player personel, etc) I always caution my fellow posters on here that it's not always 100% accurate. But what I like to do is at least share concrete info if and when I hear it.
This Gortat stuff has already been mentioned in some Polish website which is why the last time I spoke with my buddy in bball ops I asked him if he heard anything about Gortat to Boston.

He said that there are a few teams interested in Gortat, Boston being 1 of them. He said Gortat would love to play in Boston and respects Doc, Rondo, KG, PP, JET. He wants to win and thinks Boston is the place to do that. This is info the bball ops guys have heard from fellow exec's and players.

I then asked if he heard anything about who could potentially be involved and he said Green is out. He's not getting dealt for various reasons. A. can't be dealt until Jan 15. and B. Ainge doesn't want to deal late in the season. C. contract isn't great. and D. phoenix doesn't want him. Phoenix also isn't interested in Bass. They prefer the upside and rookie contracts and Sully + Melo and they also like Bradley. He then said Lee is the only guy available who could make salaries match. So even though Phoenix doesn't love Lee they think he's tradeable moving forward. So to me it sounded like my contact was piecing things together rather then hearing an actual deal that'll be on paper.

So based on that it looks like if Gortat is indeed getting dealt then Boston is shipping out Lee, Sully, Melo and at least 1 1st round pick.

Boston will lose out on this deal if someone swoops in and agrees to take back Channing Frye as well.

Marvel · Post #38 » by **Marvel** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:52 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
Marvel wrote:Should've re-signed Peaches. I always wanted him back here even after the Green contract as a fail-safe option. Also gives JG time to work his way back into game shape, I mean the expectations on Jeff were huge . Too much responsibility placed on a guy coming off of open heart surgery and missing an entire season don't you think.

Also, I was stunned Danny still remained complacent on one our biggest flaws, rebounding.

I agree. Peaches could be bricking shots at a fraction of the cost the celtics pay Green to.

Better defender, rebounder, energy, hustle, and yes much cheaper.

ddb · Post #39 » by **ddb** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:53 pm

The same contact is who told me about KG right after the Oden/Durant draft. He told me about Marbury, Rasheed and a few others as well. BUT..... he also told me Shawn Marion was coming to Boston once and that never happened....so take it for what it's worth. It's strickly NBA Basketball operations Executives. so from a source perspective it's legit... but in terms of it actually happening??? well I think we all know more deals fall through then actually happen

ermocrate · Post #40 » by **ermocrate** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:55 pm

False

Post #41 » by **darrendaye** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:31 pm

So basically Lee and his contract is making this offer possible. Now, back to your original post.....

CelticFaninLBC · Post #42 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:06 am

ddb wrote:I just caught wind that Gortat to Boston could be a done deal shortly after December 15th.

I heard Lee, Sullinger, and an unprotected pick through 2014 is the package for Gortat. Ainge refuses to include Bradley the same way he refused to include Rondo in the KG trade. I love this! I was also told that Phoenix has already started phasing Gortat out...I looked at Box Scores following hearing this and it does seem like Gortat is getting less minutes and Jermaine O'Neal and the younger players are getting more and more mins.

This is super exciting!!! OMG. Gortat would be huge for the C's.

Good deal for both sides. Gortat wants out and Boston desperately needs more size, while Phoenix gets a well know young player in Sullinger and Lee's contract isn't horrible.

CelticsRise · Post #43 » by **CelticsRise** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:07 am

Marvel wrote:Should've re-signed Peaches. I always wanted him back here even after the Green contract as a fail-safe option. Also gives JG time to work his way back into game shape, I mean the expectations on Jeff were huge . Too much responsibility placed on a guy coming off of open heart surgery and missing an entire season don't you think.

Also, I was stunned Danny still remained complacent on one our biggest flaws, rebounding.

I do not agree on Peaches at all. As streaky as Peaches was Lee can do better job. Peaches was also injury prone and could not guard Wade. (getting trapped every time in pump fakes).

GoGoCeltics · Post #44 » by **GoGoCeltics** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:34 am

Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

Berkcelt · Post #45 » by **Berkcelt** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:35 am

If you count Sully as a first round draft pick, two 1st rounders and Lee doesn't sound like much less than what Orlando got for Howard.

AKFO · Post #46 » by **AKFO** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:54 am

Nah. The only one I woulda definitely give Pietrus the bi-annual on top of everything we've done, but I'm not read to throw everything out the window. Jeff can definitely be a great player, and I haven't lost faith yet. Lee is also a solid shooter, and is an asset because he's a bigger guard, can play good on ball D, and can run the break. Moore doesn't give you too much of that. I wish Darko would have come along though, I thought he could have been really good for us.

jdm_dc_fan · Post #47 » by **jdm_dc_fan** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:05 am

Don't expect anything from green anymore. I can see green averaging 3-4 offensive fouls against a good defensive team in the playoffs. Watching him trying to score is like a cartoon character winding up to throw a punch. I wish he would play more like David lee, josh smith, Z bo or even Kenneth Faried.

ddb · Post #48 » by **ddb** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:04 pm

GoGoCeltics wrote:Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

You forgot the Blatche portion of the question. Why don't you consider the ENTIRE question before writing it off.

Valid · Post #49 » by **Valid** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:18 pm

ddb wrote:I know we're only 15 games in but that's a big sample size. As of right now it's looking more and more like Danny Ainge failed miserably this offseason. He can redeem himself by acquiring a Gortat, Varejao, Smith or pretty much ANYONE over 6'10 who's skilled. Time will tell

15 games is NOT a big sample size. We were 15-17 through 32 games last year.

Anyway, this topic is absolutely ridiculous.

Valid · Post #50 » by **Valid** » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:19 pm

ddb wrote:
GoGoCeltics wrote:Ugghhh sometimes I really hate this board.

This topic is absolutely idiotic. Etwaun Moore and Pietrus over Lee and Green? They have both started slowly; WE GET IT. Etwaun Moore is a borderline D-League player (at best) who is putting up slightly decent numbers on an Orlando team who is BEGGING for someone to score. Pietrus remains unsigned, and there's a reason for that.

Even if Lee and Green don't max out as high as we like them, they are STILL better than those two for the mere fact that they are TRADE BAIT. No one is trading for Etwaun Moore. No one is trading (or even signing) Mikael Pietrus. But people see Lee and Green and see potential.

Let them get it going, they will improve by the deadline. Then, when their numbers increase (and they will), they will be of value.

You forgot the Blatche portion of the question. Why don't you consider the ENTIRE question before writing it off.

The same Blatche who has had a long history of laziness/attitude problems?